Paraguard Iud a method of abortion? Posted: 08-12-07 17:30pm
does the paraguard IUD count as an
abortion?
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Tylanas
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Re: Paraguard Iud Posted: 08-12-07 19:59pm
marytartor
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does the paraguard IUD count
as an
abortion?
O.o
Of COURSE not!!
I don't see how in the world it could...
Paraguard, aka the copper coil IUD,
prevents fertilization, so conception
cannot take place, so no mini-human is
ever created, and so no min-human is ever
killed.
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marytartor
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Posted: 08-12-07 20:20pm
Paraguard does not stop conception it
stops the egg for implanting itself on the
uterine wall. Mirena stops conception and
implantation.
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Posted: 08-12-07 20:34pm
no way! its birth control?
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Posted: 08-12-07 20:42pm
marytartor
wrote:
Paraguard does not stop
conception it stops the egg for implanting
itself on the uterine wall. Mirena stops
conception and
implantation.
Paraguard does stop fertilization by
making the uterus hostile to sperm.
Aside from this, most people consider
"life" to start at implantation, not
fertilization. "Conception" is another
word for implantation from what I have
learned. So yes, paraguard DOES stop
conception. If I made the mistake with
words I apologize.
So, do you consider life to begin at
fertilization in the fallopian tube, or at
implantation aka conception?
* If I have conception confused, someone
else aside from marytartor correct me.
Conception is either the same thing as
implantation, or it is the same thing as
fertilization.
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Posted: 08-13-07 00:37am
Conception is the same thing as
fertilisation and that is why I refuse to
use hormonal or IUD contraception -
because I believe life starts at
conception and not at implantation.
For me, such contraception is a kind of
early abortion but I understand why most
people would not consider it so.
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Posted: 08-13-07 00:48am
Jules
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Conception is the same thing
as fertilisation and that is why I refuse
to use hormonal or IUD contraception -
because I believe life starts at
conception and not at implantation.
For me, such contraception is a kind of
early abortion but I understand why most
people would not consider it
so.
Thank you.
At least you are consistent in your
belief. I can respect you for that. You
actually believe life starts at
fertilization and thus refuse to use birth
control methods that may prevent
implantation. Cheers
I happen to agree that, IMO, life begins
at fertilization, NOT implantation. It is
already "alive" by the time it gets to the
uterus. To me, saying life doesn't begin
until implantation is like a vegetarian
saying it is okay to eat fish. My response
is:
"Guhhhh-whaaaaaaa?"
O.o
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Posted: 08-13-07 06:31am
Personally no, I believe pregnancy starts
at implantation not fertilization but I
respect the fact that people who are
pro-life would be uncomfortable with a
method of birth control that prevents
implantation as opposed to fertilization.
I agree that life begins at fertilization
but I don't believe that I have aborted
more than once, despite having had an IUS
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Posted: 08-13-07 11:44am
Good point Moo. "Pregnancy" begins at
implantation. You can't *technically*
abort before pregnancy now can
you? Personally, it's all coming down to
semantics at this point.
I *think* most people agree that the
fertilized egg is truly alive, but that
actual pregnancy doesn't start until
implantation. Still, since the fertilized
egg is alive, it can be of course killed.
Anything that prevents implantation will
do this.
I do not consider that an abortion since
abortions can't happen until pregnancy
begins, but something still dies. I
suppose that's the bottom line.
But isn't the main function of the
paraguard IUS to prevent fertilization
(conception) in the first place? I thought
it killed sperm.
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Posted: 08-13-07 12:52pm
No, the paraguard IUD only prevents
implantation. The mirena IUD works just
like the pill (because it's hormonal), and
protects sperm from entering the uterus,
implanting, and ovulation. But the
paraguard allows sperm to enter the
uterus, can allow ovulation, but prevents
implantation. Therefore, a fertilized egg
may be prevented from becoming a
pregnancy.
Some people would say that it is abortion.
Personally, I don't think so. Many
pregnancies end at the point of
implantation before a woman even knows
she's pregnant. This is really common, and
you can't really say that all of these
women are having abortions/miscarriages or
that all of the babies are really dying.
It's just another step that has to be
completed before a pregnancy can begin.
And it's not always successful.
Of course, it's up to you. It all comes
down to where you decide 'life' begins,
and if you're comfortable with it.
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Posted: 08-13-07 12:59pm
Here is some IUD/IUS information. Looks
like IUDs are the non-hormonal ones, and
IUSs are the hormonal ones.
"Both medicated and nonmedicated
intrauterine devices (IUDs) have multiple
mechanisms of action that provide for
contraceptive protection. Both medicated
and nonmedicated IUDs can alter the
uterine lining so that it becomes
unfavorable for implantation. Release of
copper ions also alters fluid in the
uterine cavity in a manner that impairs
the viability of sperm, thereby inhibiting
fertilization. This mechanism may be
responsible for the high efficacy of
copper IUDs as emergency contraception.
IUDs can also alter both sperm motility
and integrity. Medicated, or hormonal
IUDs, can interfere with sperm motility by
thickening cervical mucus. Sperm head-tail
disruption has been reported in the
presence of a copper IUD. IUDs, whether
hormonal or non-hormonal, do not provide
protection against sexually transmitted
diseases. However, it is important to
recognize that IUDs do not cause PID, and
that the historical associations that both
physicians and the lay public maintain
between IUDs and PID/tubal infertility are
false."
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Posted: 08-13-07 13:03pm
I don't think any IUD counts as an
abortion (nor do I think Plan B counts as
abortion), but for some who believe that
life starts at fertilization I can
understand how they would prefer to use a
different method of birth control. That's
a personal choice though.
What gets me is that pharmacists can
refuse to dispense Plan B to a customer
for personal reasons (i.e. if they believe
plan b counts as abortion and disagree
with its use). You better believe I would
make a big scene if I needed plan b and a
pharmacist refused to dispense it!!!!
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Posted: 08-13-07 13:04pm
Jules
wrote:
Conception is the same thing
as fertilisation and that is why I refuse
to use hormonal or IUD contraception -
because I believe life starts at
conception and not at implantation.
For me, such contraception is a kind of
early abortion but I understand why most
people would not consider it
so.
Hormonal contraception (ie: the pill, the
ring, the patch, the mirena iud) does
prevent fertilization. It stops a woman
from ovulating, so how could fertilization
occur if there is no egg? It also stops
sperm from entering the uterus. Sperm and
egg never get a chance to meet, there is
no fertilization.
But yes, the paraguard (non-hormonal) is
different.
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Posted: 08-13-07 13:21pm
OKAY, here is the DEAL!
BOTH IUD'S do not prevent ovulation, you
do still ovulate.
COPPER is a potent spermicide, it makes
their heads explode. The copper IONS
inside of the uterus kill sperm. With this
being being said, it also *can* prevent
implantation.
I become pregnant on an IUD, and later had
an abortion. Obviously it does not 'abort'
all pregnancies, otherwise I would not
have had a problem.
The MIRENA IUD thins the uterine lining
and increases cervical mucousa. Thick
cervical mucousa prevents sperm from being
able to move upward through the cervix! NO
sperm in uterus, no pregnancy...
The Mirena IUD only prevents ovulation in
about 45% of women using it.
The Mirena IUD *can* also prevent
implantation.
IUD'S MAIN action is always supposed to be
either KILLING sperm, or ensuring that
sperm cannot even reach the uterus in the
first place.
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Posted: 08-13-07 13:24pm
OBVIOUSLY I have had an abortion, so I
have no problem with abortion in general.
I personally do not care that IUD's *can*
prevent implantation, for me that is even
BETTER! At least you have a super
effective bc method.
Even though I did become pregnant on an
IUD, I still love them, and used them for
a few years after that pregnancy.
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Posted: 08-13-07 14:34pm
Anne123
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I don't think any IUD counts
as an abortion (nor do I think Plan B
counts as abortion), but for some who
believe that life starts at fertilization
I can understand how they would prefer to
use a different method of birth control.
That's a personal choice though.
What gets me is that pharmacists can
refuse to dispense Plan B to a customer
for personal reasons (i.e. if they believe
plan b counts as abortion and disagree
with its use). You better believe I would
make a big scene if I needed plan b and a
pharmacist refused to dispense
it!!!!
They can refuse to dispense birth control
too, however they recently decided (by
law) that although you can refuse, you
have to simply find someone else to give
it to them without making a scene. The
idea is you are not supposed to degrade
the girl for using b/c.
But until they decided that, I was ready
to picket the pharmacies nearby.....
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Posted: 08-13-07 15:21pm
Georgia59
wrote:
Hormonal contraception (ie: the pill, the
ring, the patch, the mirena iud) does
prevent fertilization. It stops a woman
from ovulating, so how could fertilization
occur if there is no egg? It also stops
sperm from entering the uterus. Sperm and
egg never get a chance to meet, there is
no fertilization.
But yes, the paraguard (non-hormonal) is
different.
That's not true because preventing
ovulation is only one of the ways hormonal
contraception work, they also prevent
implantation should ovulation and
fertilisation occur.
For example, I was prescribed the
mini-pill and I know for a fact I ovulated
while on it, regularly every month,
because I am very in tune with my body and
can feel it. (I basically become a randy
dog ) It was
only when I researched it that I realised
it prevented implantation and so I stopped
taking it.
Now I personally don't want to take
anything that would intentionally stop my
baby from growing if one of my eggs should
become fertilised. These are my personal
beliefs and I certainly don't consider
other users of such contraception to be
'bad' by doing so. I would certainly
rather people took precautions to prevent
implantation than aborted a more developed
baby. Either way a human life dies, or
potentially dies in the case of hormonal
contraception, but just because that
bothers me doesn't mean I expect
everyone to follow suit.
I do my utmost to avoid killing insects,
even scary wasps, but I understand that
not everyone will share my view on the
significance of the life of an insect
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Posted: 08-13-07 15:35pm
You're right.
Yeah, it just depends on when you consider
a fertilized egg to be a human life. I
don't consider it to be a human life at
the point of implantation, so I don't have
a problem with it. But you're right that
it is a tricky thing.
But you have to realize that many
pregnancies end at this point, without any
birth control at all, and the woman never
notices. Would you consider this a
miscarriage?
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Posted: 08-13-07 15:47pm
Georgia59
wrote:
But you have to realize that many
pregnancies end at this point, without any
birth control at all, and the woman never
notices. Would you consider this a
miscarriage?
Yes
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madhouse!
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Posted: 08-16-07 03:49am
Georgia59
wrote:
No, the paraguard IUD only
prevents implantation. The mirena IUD
works just like the pill (because it's
hormonal), and protects sperm from
entering the uterus, implanting, and
ovulation. But the paraguard allows sperm
to enter the uterus, can allow ovulation,
but prevents implantation. Therefore, a
fertilized egg may be prevented from
becoming a pregnancy.
Some people would say that it is abortion.
Personally, I don't think so. Many
pregnancies end at the point of
implantation before a woman even knows
she's pregnant. This is really common, and
you can't really say that all of these
women are having abortions/miscarriages or
that all of the babies are really dying.
It's just another step that has to be
completed before a pregnancy can begin.
And it's not always successful.
Of course, it's up to you. It all comes
down to where you decide 'life' begins,
and if you're comfortable with
it.
you are wrong with this one Georgia, do
some research and you will find that
copper IUD's prevent fertlization with the
reasons that Eiri already stated above.