Innovator54. I have been out of posting
for about 2plus weeks.
You mentioned that your son already had
Min. Invasive Surgery and did not have
success.
From my understanding of Min. Invasive
Surgery, the spine surgeon can only deal
with two vertebrae via small incision and
using the cannula for entry to the site.
Two vertebrae, I'm told by my doctor, is
considered as One Level. They can go in
and take care of the higher one and the
lower one (vertebrae)
From what you identified on your listing
of your son's problem, I would guess, just
guess now, because I am not a doctor,
going the laser surgery route would mean
more then one surgery like Joebob and
Carrianne had. I believe Carrianne has
said Bonati wanted to do more surgery but
she is putting it off for the present.
And Carrianne did have some struggles post
op to deal with because of dura nicks.
I am curious just what was done on your
son's first Min. Invasive Surgical
procedure. Were the areas that you
addressed in your previous post the
location of that previous surgery? I
don't know any surgeons in my locale who
do Min. Invasive Surgery on Two Levels all
at one operation. I would suspect if the
MRI is correctly identifying if you go to
Bonati, they would advise two
surgeries....much like Joebob. Has any
doctor taken a flexion/extention X-Ray to
rule out spondy...spine slippage in that
area.
Your son is young and I don't know if you
mentioned if his spine problem was the
result of physical activity, eg. accident
or athletics or laboring. All of these
things come into play upon why that area
goes haywire.
You and your son are at a difficult
decision making time. If you have
researched spine problems where you think
that laser surgery will be the best choice
then stay with that decision. I have
always told Rick, Carol and those who
stand on the brink of "do I go for surgery
or not" that no matter how much research
one does when that final decision comes
around it is a throw of the dice because
until a doctor goes in and looks, all the
he is basing his decisions on are the
patient's identified symptoms, his overall
competence and making his best educated
guess as to solving the problem. The Mri,
a diagnostic tool only, is just a part of
identifying the patient in pain's
problem.
As I see it, you are suffering because
your child is suffering. I would rather
go through all of this then see my child
go through what I have had to do in the
last year. And heaven only knows just how
well my decision is going to work for me
over time. I will try to change my hectic
lifestyle, but I am not a 22 year old
anymore and the rest is in God's hands.
Keep communicating. We each have our own
opinions about how we should proceed and
why we chose not to go in one direction or
another.
What you share about your son will help
others who are on this miserable spinal
journey.
Yes, Joe Bob seems to have had a wonderful
result. But even Joebob said that he is
not back at 100 percent. None of us may
ever be. All we hope for is No Pain.
Marie B.
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Hello Rich Posted: 11-27-07 16:34pm
Hi Rich,
No I did not assume that the DX from both
Bonati and LSI were wrong. They WHERE
wrong, completely wrong. There is nothing
wrong with my C level spine what so ever.
My spinal issues where with the L4,L5,S1
only, with a bit of arthritis in the L4.
Both facilities said the exact opposite
and none of my symptoms where something
that would be from the middle spine area
either.
A new MRI done 1 month ago, showed some
spread of the arthritis within the L3-5
which is causing a bit of difficulty
healing that torn muscle I have and an
accident has caused a problem with the L3
disc that is doing well after a selective
nerve block and we will decide at a future
date if anything further needs to be done
about it.
The rest of my spine is as clear as it was
on the first MRI. And the laminotomy done
on the L4,L5,S1 is a successful surgery,
with no compression of the nerves, they
are as free as possible; and I have only
had 1 spinal surgery, thought I have quite
a few other surgeries over my almost 57
years of life.
My surgery was partly an emergency as I
lost bladder control due to the
compression of the nerves in the L4,L5,S1.
which is where my stenosis was. There
was and still is no stenosis evident in
the thoracic area of my spine as was said
by these facilities, who also said my
lumbar vertebrae where clear of any
problems.
Post surgery, I did develop other problems
that are common to those that have had
spinal surgery. tendon and nerve with the
feet that where corrected with a foot and
ankle orthopedic doc, good shoes, custom
orthotics and PT.
My eye problems are also a common after
affect of spinal surgery and the position
that you are in as well as the age of the
patient and their potential to develop
things like floaters in the eyes, weakened
retinas etc.
My conventional surgery was a 1 inch
incision, partial laminotomy, shaving of
the lateral recess, which is the ignored
part of spinal surgery in most cases that
result in failed decompression, one stitch
to close the incision, less than 9 hour
hospital stay, I walked out of the
hospital pain free and have been so since
my surgery, for the problem I had. that
was almost 16 months ago.
Until the accident I had and the torn
muscle, I have had my life back, full
gardening, walking, shopping, driving,
working.
My decision to have the surgery I had was
based on many reasons, including what I
know to be, incorrect DX from these
facilities, along with the massive costs
that they charge, no ins to cover the
expense and no possible way to pay for
them on my own. Also, other underlying
medical conditions, require full
involvement with my primary care
physician, my orthopedic doctor that
healed my tendon problems in my arms,
careful monitoring of my asthma, and my
difficulty tolerating medications and
problems with too many steroids including
steroid injections.
My choices where best for me and others
may and will make the choice to use the
laser surgery facilities.
It's just my opinion that there seems to
be a real belief that they are miracle
workers and can and will prevent the need
for any kind of conventional spinal
surgeries and I don't think that should be
the belief.
One does hear about failed conventional
spinal surgeries, but they do not hear
anything about failed spinal laser
surgeries. All that is ever posted on
their sites and read about is the success
and there should be info on the failures
as well so that it is not misleading to
those that are seeking help and trying to
make a good, safe, informed decision.
My post was not to condemn either facility
but to point out that they are not as
perfect as their websites make them appear
to be
I hope those that do have laser spine
surgery have success and it lasts for
them, the same as I wish for those that
make the choice to have conventional
surgery.
We all need to do the research and make
the best choices we can for ourselves.
Innovator, I wish the best for your son
and I don't know, if I where in yours or
his shoes, what choices I would make.
You and he have made the choices you have
and feel they are the best ones.
I am skeptical of the laser spine surgery,
and I will be till I see and hear about
long term studies and the success rates
over the long term.
The fact that I posted my experience is
information that should be known by anyone
considering this type of surgery, the same
as others have posted on various forums
about failed conventional surgery or poor
outcomes from various other facilities.
That is not a post against laser spinal
surgery, just information that I would
want when making a decision on any kind of
surgery.
I'm glad that you have had good
experiences and as I said, I hope for
success for your son.
I also hope that you will continue to post
and provide updates as to how your son is
doing. I wish him the best and successful
surgery with them.
Fran
RichT
wrote:
Hello Fran and Innovator,
Fran, you decided that because the
diagnosis of the Bonati Institute and LSI
were different from other doctors you
assumed the two laser institutes were
wrong. That may or may not have been the
case. You have had conventional surgeries
because you felt that was the best for
you. And that is really all any of us can
do. Correct me if I am wrong, however, if
my memory serves me correctly you are
still having some back issues. That is
not to say what the surgeon did was
"unsuccessful", but most likely that other
back issues have arisen.
Innovator, you and your son have made what
for you seems the best way to go
considering the past unfortunate bad
outcomes of spine surgery. I believe
given the same circumstances most of us
would make the same decision as you and
your son have made.
"My intent was to post on this forum as my
son went through the surgeries at Bonati.
I plan not to do this now as I believe it
will be held with skepticism and malice."
Innovator I would highly encourage you to
post your son's progress through his
surgeries and recovery as you originally
planned to do. It will be information
that will be vitally important to not only
those of us who post on this thread, but
to all the many who just "look in" now and
then. As I have stated before I truly
look forward to your updates on how things
go for your son. I hope and pray for the
very best for him.
RichT
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INNOVATOR54
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Surgery For My Son Posted: 11-27-07 18:55pm
I appreciate all the posts from Fran,
RichT and Marie and do respect all your
opinions and experiences. You guys have
gone through the pain not me. I am living
it second hand with my son.
For your info I quit a very lucrative;
executive position to move to where my son
is to help him get back on his feet. I am
dipping heavily into funds to get him back
to where he may be able to get some kind
of life again.
As stated previously, he has two children
and a great; supportive wife.
First of all, I want to apologize to Fran
for overreacting. Reaching decisions has
been very nerve racking and very
expensive.
My son is now close to financial ruin and
still in back pain. I am trying to help
him see some light at the end of tunnel.
Marie ask what surgery he had. He had a
discectomy at L5/S1 ; one inch incision
and did well for a year. From my
understanding the nerve is now impinged by
scar tissue causing some of the pain.
He also now has problems at L3/4, L4/5 and
now L5/S1 again. This was all shown in
MRIs done by conventional doctors and then
confirmed by Bonati and Laser Spine
Institute.
I personally have done a lot of research
and have contacted many conventional and
Laser Surgery facilities including three
Laser Spine facilities in Florida (Bonati,
LSI and Microspine). I ruled out
Microspine immediately when they stated
they only needed written findings of the
MRI.
Though the diagnosis from LSI was correct
I was concerned about their cattle
approach to running patients through.
There were some other minor issues but
they all added up to not using them.
Bonati on the other hand has been very
straight forward. They were very easy to
deal with and have been very timely on all
aspects of the process.
My son has been scheduled for three
surgeries. First surgery facets, second
L5/S1 and lastly L4/5. Both L5/S1 and L4/5
are considered severe conditions. Two
surgeries will occur in Dec and the last
one in Jan due to the holidays.
Innovator54
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Carrianne
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Joined: 09 Aug 2007 Posts: 107 Location: Tampa, FL
Posted: 11-28-07 10:13am
Hi everyone!
In reading the different opinions on laser
surgery and conventional surgery all that
could comes to mind is that we are all so
unique, as are our conditions. Just think,
with almost 7,000,000,000 people in this
world not one looks exactly like another.
Our spines are no different, nor are the
treatments that will or will not work for
us. When it comes down to it, we just have
to listen to our hearts and let God take
it from there.
Just a couple little things I noticed in
the posts that I'd like to touch on, first
being the cost of laser facilities. Of the
tens of thousands of dollars billed to my
insurance company, all I was refused was
$648 which Bonati kindly reduced by 50%
for me if I could pay in full. That plus
my $1500 out of pocket max was all I paid
(I had already met my deductible). We must
keep in mind that insurance companies are
a large part of why facilities charge what
they do. And if we are being charged a
high amount, we can't forget that our
insurance plans play a big role as well.
Bonati bases their charges on their
experiences with insurance companies in
the past.
Also, the number of surgeries required for
each person touched me a bit. With laser
surgery, please remember that they (at
Bonati) only work on 1 disc and 1 side of
each disc at a time. So if you have 1 disc
that is affected, you may need 2 surgeries
to treat the entire disc. Dr. Bonati never
told me I needed 4 surgeries. That was the
worst case scenario. He did the first and
wanted to wait 6 months before deciding
whether or not to do another. He wanted to
avoid unnecessary surgery. I actually
wanted the second because my legs felt no
relief after the first. I may need 2 more,
but that is entirely on my recovery.
On a progress note, I have reached 3
months since my surgery and was cleared to
begin physical therapy. I start next week.
I told him I still have some pain (not as
much as before) and he said because of the
leak (which is also common in conventional
methods) I should give it 3 more months
before I decide whether or not to go back
in and be reevaluated.
I'm looking forward to it and just
trusting God on this one. It's not about
my will anymore, no matter how this all
pans out in the end.
Best wishes and God bless,
Carrianne
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Marie B.
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Star Trek Posted: 11-28-07 16:48pm
Hello Spiney Friends.
I don't know much about how each of us
react to what we are dealing with
emotionally. But in spite of all of our
researches and communications, hearing
everyone talk, I have concluded that a lot
of us are working out of pain and fear as
we deal with our condition.
Oh how I wish we had advanced to the stage
of medicine that I use to see on Star
Trek. There was always someone in the
"hospital" on the Star Ship. All I would
ever see the doctor and nurse do was wave
a magic wand over the bodies of some of
the badly injured. That wand could take
temp. bp. and all necessary data on the
body. But it also had what we would call
"magical qualities. Whatever that wand
contained, if you were not dying, you were
cured. Some day some type of medical
innovations may get us to that point in
surgery. But this is not for us at the
present.
I can just tell you that with all of the
surgeries I have had and this the most
recent spine surgery, I have grown in my
capacity to have great compassion to the
suffering people experience. The
Christian religion tells us that this is a
grace. Kind of sounds like the statement
"No Pain, No Gain." although that
statement doesn't refer to the spiritual
side.
I can't tell you how my heart went out to
Carrianne and her mother when she was
suffering so much. And there was
dragonfly. Whew! if you wanted a hold on
surgery al you had to do was think about
those cervical problems.
When you read the old Forum, Joe Bob set
out with such a postitive attitude in his
decision to go to Bonati that I think his
posts were what gave so many of us such
hope for our spine problem and looked to
Bonati or Laser Surgery as a way out of
pain.
As I have read the many posts over the
last 7 months, I think Joe Bob's surgery
was a success but I really haven't read
such a resounding success on too many
people. I still couldn't believe that he
went to Tampa Airport, got on a plane and
flew home. He did that after, I thinik,
the 2nd week. I have completed the second
week. I haven't gone out of the house
yet. I am just happy that I can do small
jobs around the house.
I wake at night about ever hour on the
hour because my back says, "Its time to
roll to the other side. I am just
beginning to lay on my back for short
moments. It is not because of pain but
because of all of the stress in the
muscles, tendons and nerves surrounding
the surgical site. JoeBob did menion
"stiffness." This is definitely
"stiffness". Walking helps lots.
But you can't stand on your feet...at
least at my age for 8 hours in a row.
So when you have this type surgery done,
don't think it is a magical pill.
My hubby was dead set against our going to
Florida for laser surgery.
I had spondy and the laser sites make it
very clear they do not deal with spondy.
He also thought it was a risk to go
somewhere so far away and have no backup
for the post op difficulties.
Fran has been a major research for
information for a lot of us. She fills in
little details. If she says she got a
wrong DX from the laser ceners, then that
is what happened. From reading her post,
they were in an entirely different part of
the spine from where the stenosis was
located. Heck, we hear all the time about
wrong arms, wrong legs being removed and
in some body areas, wrong things done to
patients. That's why lawyers love this
field. They have increased the patient
costs tremendously. It is entirely
possible that somewhere along the line,
the agents who assist in the flow of
information at the laser sites could have
made a mistake read the wrong chart, put
the wrong name on the report. It can
happen. I would never have decided for
laser unless I had made a trip to the
institutes and eyeballed the doctors on a
one to one basis and I would have bored in
on "why the mistake". But sometimes the
"pain" will not allow us to inspect in
great detail these distant institutes. I
wish I have the advantages of being so
close as Carrianne is.
If I had been able to go to Bonati, I
would have asked for permission for
Carrianne to come hold my hand during the
surgery. She's been there. She knows.
Now Rich and I are in the upper ages. I
don't know how he has made the compromise
not to have surgery. If I remember
correctly, Rich would have chosen laser
surgery if the $$$$$were all set up like
ducks in a row.
And Rich, in some future post, I would
like to talk to you about insurances.
I know the subject was approached in the
past on the Old Forum but it might be more
informative for some if we got down to a
little more detail.
It is too bad we don't have a record of
the posters from the past Forum because
they were very energetic about getting
information.
Hey LoneStar Guy, Are you doing O.K.?
Marie B
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mbc1
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Joined: 29 Aug 2007 Posts: 5
Laser Surgery Posted: 11-28-07 21:27pm
Hi,
T have posted here a few times but have
just spent a great deal of time reading
and catching up on the posts. I have been
struggling with what to do regarding
having surgery. I have scheduled and
cancelled minimally invasive surgery 2
times. I am heading down to both LSI and
Bonati to talk with them this Friday. I
am uncertain as to what to do. I was all
set to have the surgery in September at
Bonati ( we live in NY, but have a home in
Ocala, FL also) but couldn't get a good
price on plane fare. I cancelled (in
August) and tried to rescedule for Nov but
was told that policy had changed regarding
out of network benefits and that instead
of just paying my co-pays I would be
required to pay a fee of an additional
$5000. for each surgery they would do.
They recommended 2 surgeries. I know that
LSI does not accept any insurance but
total costs would end up being aobut the
same as LSI sys they can do everything
with one surgery. How does anyone really
know if you are making the right decsion.
My neurosurgeon says maybe an 80% chance
of pain free but then also says I may not
get relief. I have had 2 neuro consults
and I guess I just don't know which way to
go. I will see on Friday what both places
have to say.
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Carrianne
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Joined: 09 Aug 2007 Posts: 107 Location: Tampa, FL
Posted: 11-29-07 09:05am
Marie,
I teared up when I read your post. I would
have gladly been there to hold your hand
just as MJ was there holding mine before
my second blood patch!! I wanted to show
her how I much I appreciated her support,
but I just didn't have the energy to even
stand up. That was when I vowed I'd be
there to help anyone who goes to Bonati,
or LSI also. Point is, no matter what
direction our hearts tell us to go, we
need all the support we can get!!
Innovator,
that goes out to you and your family as
well. I'd love to help however I can. I am
still looking for churches and restaurants
for you, haven't forgotten.
mbc1,
Best wishes to you this Friday at Bonati
and LSI. I know the decision is a hard one
to make. Sometimes doing so much research
makes the decision that much harder
because there's more to sort through, but
in the end, research is the best thing to
do! Hopefully one thing will stand out to
you as being "the one" for you.
Best wishes and God bless,
Carrianne
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Carrianne
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Innovator Posted: 11-29-07 10:56am
Innovator,
Good morning! I did a little searching
around and found some Baptist churches,
but wasn't able to find out whether some
are traditional or more contemporary. I
found about 7 that are less than 6 miles
from The Bonati Institute.
I also have a few recommendations for
restaurants, 2 of which I ate at and they
were wonderful. They're all less than 2.5
miles from The Bonati Institute.
I'm not sure what the stipulations are on
this forum for posting names of businesses
and addresses or phone numbers, so I sent
you a personal message to be safe. It was
the first time I've sent a personal
message, so please let me know you got it
ok.
Have a happy day and please let your son
we're all thinking of and praying for
him!
Best wishes and God bless,
Carrianne
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Posted: 11-30-07 10:04am
Hello Guy,
Nice thoughts and advice to Marie,
And how are you doing thiese days? Hope
things are going well for you.
Take care.
RichT
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Posted: 11-30-07 10:11am
Hello Fran,
Thanks for the additional information.
Sure hope that torn muscle heals well.
I especially liked your encouragement to
Innovator to post updates on his son as he
goes through surgery and recovery.
Have a WONDERFUL Day!!!!
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Posted: 11-30-07 10:21am
Hello Innovator,
Tomorrow is December 1st. A most
important month for your son, you and your
families. I hope and pray that this
coming Christmas will be a very special
and uplifting one. May your son's surgery
be successful and his recovery likewise.
Your Christmas gift to your son is
AWESOME!!!
Take care. A very special dad you are.
RichT
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Posted: 11-30-07 10:30am
Hello Carrianne,
I really liked your thoughts that you
shared with us in your Nov 28 post.
EXCELLENT.
So very nice of you to look into churches
and restaurants for Innovator and his son.
I'm sure they are really looking forward
to meeting you and "feeling" the support
you are and will be giving to them.
"I'm looking forward to it and just
trusting God on this one. It's not about
my will anymore, no matter how this all
pans out in the end." YES!!! Your faith
has and will see you through.
Have a GREAT Weekend.
RichT
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Posted: 11-30-07 10:45am
Hello MBC,
So nice to see your post and your update.
Today you are at Bonati and LSI. I hope
your visits go well and that your
discussions with them will help you in
your decision making. My thoughts are
with you today.
On December 11th I will be seeing my spine
surgeon. The one who recommends I have
surgery by the end of January. I'm
looking forward to our discussions and at
the same time a bit apprehensive. Thank
goodness the support of my PM doc, other
doctors and my current ability to do the
majority of things I want and like to do
will all help in guiding in the right
decision at this time.
Regarding insurance - To clarify, LSI and
Bonati both accept health insurance. It
all depends on the insurance you have,
etc. See my following post to Marie for a
bit more. I'm sure at both LSI and Bonati
today they will be able to tell you how
your health insurance benefits will be
accepted by them.
Take care.
RichT
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Posted: 11-30-07 11:49am
Hello Marie,
Last, but not least.
Thanks for your thoughts that you have
shared with us.
"But in spite of all of our researches and
communications, hearing everyone talk, I
have concluded that a lot of us are
working out of pain and fear as we deal
with our condition." Marie, that may be
true for some, however, I know it is not
the case for me and for some others. For
me all the research, communication and all
really helps me in my decision making.
All the information one gleans does not
necessarily make the decision any easier,
but at least I (we) can have the comfort
knowing we have done our homework well in
preparing us for a decision. Just my
thoughts.
I REALLY liked your take off on Star Trek.
Would be nice to have that "magic", but
as we know that is not reality. However,
all I need to do is watch a medical
documentary and marvel at the advances in
medicine that are being made. Truly blows
my mind away.
Your thoughts on religion/faith, and Joe's
successes and the hope it gave to us were
EXCELLENT. Super food for thought.
"Now Rich and I are in the upper ages. I
don't know how he has made the compromise
not to have surgery." I'm more "upper"
than you are. LOL
About compromises - It has taken months
for me to go through the process of
sorting things out for myself. I feel
very comfortable with my "standing" at
this time. (My spine surgeon sure the
heck better not unravel things on the 11th
though I'm sure he will try.) As you know
gardening is my number one enjoyment.
That means a lot of bending twisting and
lifting. (Like a 75lb shrub two days
ago.) I don't want to give up any of that
because of the restrictions surgery would
most likely cause. Compromises? Sure!!!
I can't stand in one location for more
than a few minutes. I can't sit in
uncomfortable chairs, I can only sleep on
a air mattress. Howvere Marie, for years
now I have been making "compromises". I
have severe tinnitus in my left ear. That
means not being in crowds. The sound of
all those voices and the distortion of the
sound from their voices will drive my ear
and I up a wall in a matter of seconds.
It also means no loud noises like in
movies, leaf blowers, etc. No concerts and
no noisy restaurants. So Marie, I've come
to accept my lifestyle "compromises".
Though it does bother me that I can't go
to concerts etc. with my wife, thank
goodness she is very understanding AND
does those activities she likes without
me. Also, I'm "blessed" in that crowds of
people have never been my thing even when
I was young. I much prefer the quiet of
my study or working in our gardens.
Until my back does not permit me to do the
things I like to do in our gardens, and
keeps me from enjoying the food and wine
at a fine QUIET restaurant I'm staying
away from the knife.
Now to my experience with Bonati and LSI
regarding insurance - My first choice (if
I should deside to have laser spine
surgery) would be Bonati. Unfortunately
they do not accept Medicare, and they do
not accept the private secondary health
insurance that I have. LSI on the other
hand will accept Medicare AND my private
health insurance. My out of pocket
expenses with LSI was quoted to me at
$12,900. So is the "insurance" issue for
me with Bonati and LSI. I hope that
clarifies things.
If you (or others) have questions on the
above do let me know.
Marie, I hope and pray that each day helps
you in your recovery from surgery. AND
that all is a success for you.
Have a Wonderful Day!!
RichT
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Marie B.
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 28 Aug 2007 Posts: 230 Location: Ohio
Ringing In the Ears Posted: 11-30-07 12:33pm
Rich, You have ringing in the ears. Have
you been diagnosed as having Meniere's
Disease? I have it in both ears. I call
it, "The Screaming Meemeeme's? I have had
it for years.
My husband put an article in my hands
yesterday. It was by a woman who was
writing to Peter Gott, M.D. , Family
Doctor. Q & A follows.
Q: I am m81 years old, I have suffered
with Meniere's disease since I was 30
years old. I saw Lip-Flavonoid on
television. I have not had one day of
dizziness. I swear by this product.
A. Lipo-Flavonoid effectively lessens
tinnitus. Meniere's disease (vertigo)
dizziness, loss of hearing and
tinnitus) can be disruptive, as you know.
I am printing your letter in hopes
that your experience will help other
readers.
Peter Gott, M.D.
This is the first time I've read of
anything to help tinnitis. Most of the
Dr.'s around here tell me to "live with
it."
You may want to check with your PCP about
it and make sure it doesn't
interfere with your other meds if you try
it.
Marie B.
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RichT
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Joined: 22 Jul 2007 Posts: 901
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Posted: 11-30-07 13:16pm
Hello Marie,
WOW, you responded very quickly. Hope
that indicates you are having a good
day!!!
You are SOOOOooooo RIGHT!!!! The
Screaming Meemeeme's it is. Sorry to read
that you too have to suffer with this D@MN
constant ringing. It is only the "volume"
that changes.
Thanks for the information that your
husband shared with you. I will check it
out. It is fascinating that a
lipo-flavonoid would lessen tinnitus.
No dizziness here, just that D@MN constant
ringing.
Maybe a couple glasses of wine will help
"deaden" the ringing for you. I've tried
at least a couple glasses of wine, and it
doesn't seem to help, however, I still
enjoy the wine!!! LOL
RichT
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RichT
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Joined: 22 Jul 2007 Posts: 901
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Posted: 11-30-07 13:52pm
Hello Marie,
I did a bit of "Googling" and would
suggest you go to the following link
*Link removed
To me the first response really says it
all. Its that ole placebo effect again,
and possibly worse.
At this time I think I'll pass.
RichT
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RichT
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Joined: 22 Jul 2007 Posts: 901
Thanks: 21
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Posted: 11-30-07 14:01pm
Oh yes, and to quote an audiologist on
another web site "I have never found any
OTC to help tinnitus." This was in
response to a question about Lipoflavonoid
supplement for tinnitus.
Another one of those supplement scams it
seems.
Sorry moderator for getting off topic.
Now back to the subject at hand.
Just noticed my link has already been
removed. If you want to see it send me a
PM.
RichT
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INNOVATOR54
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 14 Nov 2007 Posts: 29
Churches And Restaurants Posted: 12-02-07 14:49pm
Carrianne:
I did receive the private email you sent
me. I did send a response with some
contact information while I am in Hudson
at Bonati.
Please let me know if you received the
private message.
Thanks for the information.
I hope you are doing well and I hope to
touch base with you in Florida.
Best Regards
Innovator54
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Carrianne
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 09 Aug 2007 Posts: 107 Location: Tampa, FL
Posted: 12-03-07 10:58am
Innovator,
Yes, I did receive your private message
and responded today. We look forward to
meeting you and your family!
I really hope that you will have a great
experience at The Bonati Institute. Yes,
the first few days will be filled with
MRIs and other tests. Bring a good book
and that will help!!
