I'm not sure what you mean by metaphorical, it's not that at all though it can appear like that at times. Their sense of reality simply breaks down and is replaced by various things, usually aspects of life they observe around themselves. There is a part of your brain responsible for determing that your hand is your hand. Look at your hand, try to convince yourself it's not yours. That's how real the delusions are to them and why it's such a troubling illness.

One must also ask, what is delusional and what is not.

For instance, I had a head injury when I was ten years old. I was taken by my parents to the hospital that was closest by. It was a hospital that was dedicated to the elderly, but since it was the closest, that was where I ended up.

They kept an eye on me over night. Later my left eye closed and was also partially protruding. Due to the state of the emergency, which was hemorrhaging in the center of the left hemisphere of the brain, they decided to perform the operation at that hospital rather the risk transportation to another. I lived, as you can tell.

Since then, every time I have been asked by a doctor whether I have had any previous operations and if so where was the operation performed, as soon as I said yes and it was performed at Branson hospital, they immediately either dropped their head, or looked up at the ceiling, and began to roll their eyes while saying " Sir..... Sir.....They don't dooooo operations like that at Branson ! ".

One time I had blacked out due to experiencing a nasty case of hypoglycemia, and I ended up in a hospital emergency dept. After the glucose level had risen back to being close to normal, I could speak and move again in a normal manner. Then the doctor asked " Have you any previous operations and if so where was the operation performed. ", and you can guess what his response was. After that he said to a male nurse " Get this guy out of here.".

Four doctors have responded by saying the famous " Sir..... Sir.....They don't dooooo operations like that at Branson ! ". All this just because the event does not fit under the title " typical ".

Then their was the time when I had ear aches, jaw pain, neck pain, and head aches. My guess was that I had a nasty case of severely impacted wisdom teeth. But I decided to check with my GP first. He, with a smirk on his face, said that he could not see anything wrong with me, and that maybe it was all just in my head. I said " You could be right because I think that it is due to severely impacted wisdom teeth, and after all, they are located in my head." He was not amused by that statement.

I went to see a dentist who was also a university buddy of my brothers, and was a bright fellow who could be trusted no matter what. After the x-rays were taken, he looked at them and said " These..... These... are text book classics. ".

I other words, they could have been no worse, they were nasty indeed. He said they were too severe for him to be able to remove them, and that the operation would have to be performed in a hospital, and so it was.

6 months later, I had ear aches, jaw pain, neck pain, and head aches once again. I went to see my GP. He was called away on an emergency, and so they sent me one floor down to another doctor. After I filled him in on the data, prior to him performing any examination at all, he said to me " What you are sir..... is a HYPOCHONDRIAC. ". It turned out to be his lucky day, because I managed to keep my fists to my side.

I then set up an appointment with my oral surgeon. He was not available, but his partner was. When I saw the partner, he stuck his finger in my mouth, squeezed the gum where one of the wisdom teeth used to be, and then showed me this big lump of puss. That infection was what had caused the return of the ear aches, jaw pain, neck pain, and head aches. I asked him , while closely pointing at the puss on the end of his finger, " Is that the creation of the mind of a HYPOCHONDRIAC ? ". He laughed and said what ?

I just said, ahh never mind.

And so here we have multiple cases in which the doctors simply looked at me as though I was some kind of delusional nut-case, even thought the situation at hand dealt with nothing but TRUTHS.


And so the question arises, what is delusional and what is not, if that which is classified as a delusion is classified by minds in the medical field such as those I have encountered ?

I can feel for you man, because I was diagnosed with hypoglycemia not too long ago and got it under control with diet. I was, however, worrying about having various diseases and eventually got to the point that I thought I was in a television show and cameras were placed in things as ridiculous as fruit flies. Hypochondria is not necessarily delusional, but it can be. Such things are usually very, very possible, but just not true. Delusions are simply false beliefs held in the presence of information that proves them wrong, so anything that fits into that system is what it is. In your case, they were just freaking morons and didn't do their job, which is sadly the case with many doctors, nurses and so forth anymore. Best thing you can do is stick to your guns and see another doctor. When you've seen 50 and they can't find anything, it may be time to think about the possibility that you're obsessing, but, like in your case, something could be found. The annoying thing is almost anything is possible, and being that there are plenty of stories out there of people who swear something is wrong and only find out years later what it is, it's not that difficult to fall into this way of thinking when you get ill and can't figure it out. I applaud you for sticking with it, I did the same and if I didn't I would probably be in an institution by now.

ive always been kind of a hypocondriac. but i see these things that I fear as posible, although very unlikely.

Those are good stories, FANTABULOUS, thanks for that. Here in Canada we've had an opposite situation: a lady got chemo and then an operation on a tumor that was never there. A case of bad diagnosis.

Much of my point is that once you have been tagged with the title " Schizophrenic ", then it doesn't matter what you say, it is now seen by others as nothing but the creation of a delusional mind.

For instance I was not getting along with my psychiatrist well at all. He basically did not classify me as a human being, now that I had been classified as a schizophrenic. The longest appointments I got with him were about 5 minutes long. He basically said, here are your meds, now get lost.

I mentioned some of the problems I had with him to my father, but even my father did not believe me and was certain that everything I had said was just the result of a creative delusional mind.

I was pissed.

From that day on I collected evidence concerning any negative interactions with the doc. This included bits of paper with notes from the doc, to other papers showing how he canceled some of my apointments and this included his signature on the papers.

Later once again my father spoke to me as though I was some kind of moronic nutcase to be claiming that certain things had occurred between me and the doc. My father spoke of this with absolute certainty that he was in the right and that I was clearly out to lunch.

I then pulled out the evidence that proved that everything that I said was real and true. His face turned red, his mouth froze, and he suddenly had to leave my apartment.

What you say is sadly true, there was actually an experiment for it performed a few decades ago where several researchers pretended to be mentally ill to be admitted into treatment and then acted totally normal. Even though they were perfectly fine and showed no signs of anything, they were treated differently, as though whatever they did was somehow connected to illnesses that didn't even exist. The doctors and nurses interpreted normal reactions as pieces of different disorders. So what are you diagnosed with? If you're diagnosed schizophrenic than certainly you do have some delusions and so forth, otherwise you were given the worst diagnosis ever. Were you ever put into involuntary treatment, or did some doctor just say it and that was it? If you have hypoglycemia, that would have been at the root of the problem so hopefully you corrected it.

Diagnosed with schizophrenia, yes.
Experiencing delusions and hallucinations, no.

I have never been a believer, and so it is impossible for me to have false beliefs. Instead I have always searched for truths.

For example, while most people believe what they see, motion seemed impossible from my point of view. I thought about it and noted that motion contains two variables, Speed, and Distance.

Variables range from zero to infinity.

If you were to travel across an infinite distance, then you would go on forever, since there is no end to such a distance.

If you were to travel at an infinite speed, then any distance you travel you will travel across in zero time, since if it did take time that would mean that you were traveling at a finite speed that could be surpassed. If you were to set both of these variables to infinity, the outcome is basically --> To go on forever, in no time at all.

After realizing that two points of view are required to make this possible, one where time passes onward forever, and one where time is at a stand still, I continued thinking it over until I found the answer to the problem.

I then created a geometric representation of what I understood and then used it to create mathematical equations of my understandings.

These equations turned out to be identical to those known today as ..
- The Lorentz-Fitzgerald Contraction equation.
- The Time Dilation equation.
- The Lorentz Transformation equations.
- The Velocity Addition equation.

See --> http://www.outersecrets.com/real/forum_aga instum2.htm

Not bad for a guy whose parents pulled him out of school before he completed grade ten.

But this is what happens if you are not a believer, you see the truth instead. Unfortunately today's doctors say that schizophrenics are experiencing delusions and hallucinations, and these are their beliefs. This is why the doctors call the so called schizophrenics beliefs " False Beliefs " because it is a case of one belief up against another.

The truth concerning schizophrenia, is a whopper.

fantabulous has a point.
my way of thinking is like his, except I never bothered to bring it to a mathematical level of such percision (although I do bring many things down to a mathematical level).


I think that a schizophrenic has false memories that cause delusions, or hallucinations that cause delusions. pretty much, they have lost a sense of relativity due to these two.

You guys need to read Zeno's paradoxes and the responses to them. But I must disagree with you. You are leaving out another variable, but you mention it, time. Distance and speed equal nothing without another variable to measure how much is crossed. Time, however, does not exist, and any equation or philosophy that makes use of it is flawed. To blow your mind, read something like Being and Time, that will keep you occupied for awhile. What do you mean by a believer, though? Just having different opinions on reality means nothing, there has to be some reason why they gave you that diagnosis other than thinking about space and time, unless you stated that space and time were controlled by a race of lizardmen.

speed is distance over time.

Well your almost on track. Time is just part of the open Space-Time dimensions of which we constantly move across. You on the other hand spoke with certainty and rejected time. ODD !

The reality that we are confined within, is a reality structured in a relativistic format. Everything is related. The relativistic plane of reality must also be related to another, and that other is the holistic plane. The holistic plane includes the dimension of Time, meaning it extends across all time.

Due to there being two planes of reality, there are two different kinds of Events. These events occur at the intersection of these two planes.

The relativistic plane exists in real time, the present moment which is constantly moving across time such that one time may be related to another, hence another one of its relativistic qualities.

A Relativistic Event is therefore an Event that occurs in real time and therefore all that is taken into account to determine the outcome of this Event is the circumstances present at that real time moment.

The Holistic plane extends across time.

A Holistic Event is therefore an Event that occurs across time, and therefore all circumstances during the complete time period of which the event extends across, are taken into account to determine the outcome of this Event.

With this being the case, if one rolled a ball from point A to point B, and then once finished one rolled another ball from point C to point D, and this ball rolled over the A to B path, it does not matter because the path is not currently being block because that event has already been completed.

However, if this was an Event being governed from the Holistic side, and say the rolling of the two balls would have taken 1 minute, from the holistic point of view this could not possibly occur as a complete Event, for from the holistic see across time point of view, the entire path between point A and point B is filled. Therefore there is no way in which this currently filled path can be crossed by another ball.

There is a famous experiment known a the two slit light experiment. We start with a monochromatic light source. We then send the light through two slits placed closely together in a thin wall, say a cardboard wall. At a short distance from that wall we have a destination wall. The light passes through the slits and when it reaches the destination wall it shows an interference pattern that gives the impression that the light passing through the two slits now interfered with each other as though they were waves interfering with each other. Thus it leaves a pattern on the destination wall of bright dim bright dim bright dim.....

However, if we monitored the photons of light passing through the slits, each detection of a photon becomes a real time Event in itself. The moment that these Events begin to take place, the wave-like interference pattern on the wall collapses, and now all that one sees is the expected patterns on the destination wall that one expects to see if the photons simply interfere with each other as though they are mere particles interfering with each other in real time.

What happened ?

Well, photons have a spin property. As a photon spins and moves across space, it does so by moving across a corkscrew shaped path. From the Holistic point of view, the entire path from the source to the destination is seen. Therefore if this two slit experiment is governed from the Holistic side, then the paths open for each photon depend upon the positioning of the complete paths of other photons. The wave-like interference pattern on the destination wall is the result of these complete corkscrew like path shapes interfering with each other. In short the wave-like pattern is a magnification of this corkscrew like shape.

But again, if we monitor the photons passing through the slits, each detection of a photon becomes a real time Event, and thus these real time events now take the place of the once possible large Holistic event. The Holistic event has now been replaced by the much smaller Relativistic Events.

And so in truth, we now have the collapse of a Holistic Event.

This provides PROOF that the dimension of TIME is real.
This provides PROOF that the Holistic plane of reality is real.

However, if one speaks of it scientifically, because it is not yet of popularity, those who speak of it are classified as those who are speaking of Lizardsville.

If you discuss it in building called a church and do so on a Sunday between 11:00AM and 2:00PM, then it will not be rejected, but will simply be viewed as the Holistic dimension of which the GOD figure sees everything across all Space and all Time.

Now if an event is started and governed from the Holistic side, and the event is seen occurring in the Relativistic reality, then it can seem miraculous since we can see the effect, but not the cause. Heck you could do things like divide the red sea, multiply fish, heal the blind, etc., and in each case it would seem like a miracle because again we only see the result, and not see the cause since we can not look across time ourselves, and thus we can not view the governing source of any Holistic event.

Or, if there were also some nasties on the Holistic side, they could take advantage of the mechanics of reality, and toy with the minds and bodies of people.

You could pull tricks on people as well. For instance you could coordinate the thoughts of a person in a manner that the persons thoughts would then be related to perhaps the ongoings seen within a TV movie that the person was watching. To the person this coordination would give the effect that makes it seem as though they are being communicated with via the TV. Boy if they told anyone about that I am sure people would think they were crazy or something.

This Holistic act would be protected by people themselves. People would say that such a claim that the big boys in the Holistic plane are behind all this, is absolutely ridiculous, and they would say this in an instant, and thus these nasties in short are given the big OK to continue with such atrocious acts, all thanks to the disbelievers saying that it is all B.S.. Without the disbelievers help, there would be no hope at all for the nasties.

I am sure that the nasties really appreciate the foolish disbelievers, since without their help, the entire situation would be busted.

The disbelievers live in their own world of belief. Anything outside of the limits of their belief system is all hogwash in their opinion. Unfortunately, truth lies outside of any belief system.

TRUTH is therefore REJECTED !

That does not prove time exists, for you are missing one important part. You are analyzing these things as a human being. Human beings perceive things in a certain way, which is not the same as other creatures, nor can it be called the absolute certain perception of how the universe works. All the space you wasted up there proves one thing, it proves that's how we think and that's all. Time cannot exist. And you stole my ROM Spaceknight image! Thief! Actually, I don't mind, spread him around!

Scientific inquiry has gone well beyond what the average person thinks and how she/he perceives, Stan. It has gone into areas that don't really make sense rationally. There might be a bit of humanity left there, but there's less and less of it.

Prove it then, which you won't be able to do.

"Proof" is a questionable category to start with. I'm not sure anything at all can really be ascertained, that's why you can't definitely argue either way.

As I said...

TRUTH is therefore REJECTED !

... And so people ( Schizophrenics ) are being tortured, thanks to PERMISSION given via a powerful rejection of truths.

http://www.outersecrets.com/real/template/ truth.gif

Oh no, not Shopenhauer, don't even get me started about him. So are you saying I'm doing a number two there? Time has been assumed to be just there forever now, it's relatively a fairly new idea to deny it.

As I said... TRUTH is therefore REJECTED !

... And so people ( Schizophrenics ) are being tortured, thanks to PERMISSION given via .......

http://www.outersecrets.com/real/template/ truth.gif

How about this one then...

http://www.outersecrets.com/real/template/ truth2.gif

As exposed at http://www.outersecrets.com/real/forum_aga instum2.htm , CMT produces the exact same equation used in the Special Relativity Theory, yet the Theory of Relativity is supported while CMT is thrown out the window even though it agrees with the outcome of all tests performed to this day.

But not to forget " TRUTH is REJECTED ! ".

Just like Space, Time is just a dimension that exists. One may move across it, and or extend across it.