For your info- most christians do not do what ever they want, catholics, maybe, but that isn't everyone. Plus, it isn't the church we love, it's God. Therefore we give to God and he blesses us back. Which means we don't have empty wallets and we aren't brainwashed.

...I'll call in Guest, the rest of you hide.

lmao

That wreaks of the cleaner they used to brainwash you. I can also smell the starch they used to iron out all the kinks.

My problem isn't the actual beliefs of Christians.... do whatever you want. But when you actually use skewed and misguided facts about other belief systems... that really irks me.

I oblige

"For your info- most christians do not do what ever they want, catholics, maybe"

She is right actually, there is a problem within the Catholic faith of many catholics believing that confession is get out clause allowing them to do what they want, its an abuse of the confessional system, The church says we should not take the mercy of Christ as excuss for misbehaviour, people are not perfect we all need patients and understanding.

The whole "my god is better then your god" reminds me of when my daughter got in an arguement with a neighbors boy and told him "My mom can beat up your dad"..
no we will never get a direct answer as to if this alleged figure actually existed since the only ones who seem to have any information on it are the orginators of the church it allegedly founded.
Like that nut in Utah and his golden tablets.. that only he ever saw.
Another ride on the merry go round anyone?

i myself as an agnostic does not beleive in god, or the ''powerful'' jesus. what is the proof? i mean, everybody says there is only one son of god etc. (aka jesus) but until youv'e proven to me that all the other religions are true, then i might just beleive. however, the vigin mary? like, i know scientific people can sound a bit narrow-minded but honestl why would god just send down some of his stuff and give it to this innocent women?? also, NO ONE can prove god. people say he is a spirit. i mean, how do you even know he is a man. honestly the bible is no proof exepct ink or paper, and ovbiosly it's been modiofied in the last hundreds of year i mean c'mon!? also i beleive it is slightly bias and predjudiced to put the timeline names BC AD or sumin like that in the history timeline. what if they don't beleive in god. so there you are. i think jesus a just a modified bubble waiting to be burst by common - sense. not knoweledge, but commen sense.



thankyou for this forum it rocks x

Does any one really exist???...its all perception.who knows? Not me..not you...not anyone...its personal and debatable so therefore no one can ever truly really know.

Now that is a thought, a true, true, DEEP thought. I like you Homer, you think like me. I am agnostic. I cannot prove nor disprove God. Therefore, I choose not to believe. But it does not matter to me if anyone else believes or not. Their choice.

Right On...I like you too..we are similar in our thought process,I have noticed that before..

There is no proof besides a bible that he was here but there is also mention of him in other religions/documentation that don't worship him (Jewish/protestant etc.)

The belief of god is the equivalent of me believing in pink unicorns and flying saucers, although there is no proof to disprove either one.

So many religions that worship different gods or godesses and yet somehow we alway come back to christianity. Every religion screams their god is the creator so which one do you believe?

There is many bible too catholicism that I think alot of christians don't know about or deny completely but they were written by the same "men" who wrote the bible. The bible itself was written 200 years after jesus death and perception or ideal about him could of changed, like playing telephone. Anyway, references would be the bible of mary magdalene(different perception) the bible of Judas, the other bible and the dead sea scrolls. What I would like to know is why they aren't in the bible, they are all different perceptions of that time with similarities and differences...

In the bible Luke refers to angels as being ordinary "men" who carry messages (Job 1:14; Luke 7:24; 9:52)!! King soloman refers to ordinary people as being demons or devils! I think Jesus was an ordinary man, who probably had a mental disorder.

The word Satan (Ha-satan) means opponet or adversary, there in a world with an omnipotent god, it makes you wonder why he didn't destroy Lucifer. The reason is that he wouldn't be all glorified if he didn't have something to compare to (White and black.)

Read up on nephilim, if this were true, we have angels living among us, the same can be said for Jesus, the son of god could be walking upon us.

yeah..I think you are probably right...

I would suggest that you read " A Case for Jesus " by Lee Strobel....good book.

LETTERS OF PONTIUS PILATE
written during his Governorship of Judaea to his friend Seneca in Rome
Edited by W. P. CROZIER (formerly Scholar of Trinity College, Oxford)
JONATHAN CAPE Thirty Bedford Square London

First Published MCMXXVIII [1928]

PRINTED IN GREAT BRITAIN BY BUTLER & TANNER LTD FROME
You will expect to hear more about the preacher Jesus. I am, for two reasons, proceeding cautiously. My first thought was to arrest him before he entered Jerusalem and came in contact with the crowds. But that course would have its dangers, at a time like this. Since he crossed the frontier he has done nothing openly to justify it, his followers would spread the report that I had seized a noble patriotic Jew, and so, figuring once more as the oppressor, I might have on my hands a sudden outburst of passion of the kind which I desire to avoid. Besides, Annas and Caiaphas have both been to see me. It was at once apparent that they, and especially Annas, were extremely desirous that I should remove what they consider a danger to themselves. They hate the man and no doubt with good reason. The Pharisees and lawyers are really disturbed about the attacks on the Law; the priesthood scents a danger to its livelihood; while Annas, Caiaphas and the other noble Sadducees are not only concerned for the maintenance of the whole priestly system (they are pretty indifferent themselves about the Law), but fear some sudden turn of affairs which might convert this Jesus into a national hero - and then what would become of them and their power? (I suggest to you, as a subject for one of your plays or meditations, that the greatest stimulant of all to a man's activities is the desire for Power.)

I do believe in Jesus..

Thing is the bible also does not say there aren't other worlds of people out there..

The bible as I take it is words God gave to those he wanted to write his book..That to me is simple..Undestanding is not always simple nor do I think it is always for us to understand..But I know that as I learn, the bible opens up and I get a better understnading..It's like two people reading the same story can relate it to another in two different ways..

God will always be in dispute until the days end..

I really respect your post. I wish more "Christians" could think like you. I am agnostic, meaning I don't believe NOR disbelieve in God, but I have the "believe none of what you hear and half of what you see" personality. It is great to believe that there could be a higher power. And okay too. But it is also okay to want more proof (like I do) to make a more informed opinion. I like how you state in your post what the Bible means to YOU, and not how others should interpret it. I am a skeptic when it comes to religion, but I believe that if God should exist, he would not judge me for being a skeptic, I believe that if God exists, he would hear my case and UNDERSTAND my doubts and forgive me for them. The God I WANT to believe in, I don't think, would not banish one to hell for a few earthly mistakes, like so many Christians or some churches will try to tell you. And that is part of my problem. Sure, I can repent, but I don't want to repent for anything out of FEAR (of going to hell), I want to repent because I mean it and I know what I did was wrong. LOL, ok enough rambling, but again thank you for not being judgemental in your post.
PS..I should have edited the post above, it should NOT say "I cannot prove nor disprove God. Therefore, I choose not to believe."...it should say " Therefore, I choose not to believe EITHER way until I have more proof one way or the other. Sorry about any misunderstanding.

Birch,
There are letter written between Pilot & Herod about Jesus, which The British Museum has. You can find excerpts of them on line if you do a search.

http://ministries.tliquest.net/theology/ap ocryphas/nt/herpilat.htm

Here is one link I came across. This one is written to his friend Seneca in Rome.

http://owen_eir.tripod.com/pilatetext.html

I hav seen that Holy Qur-an which came after Bible ('Incheel' as per Muslims) also witness the birth of Isa (Jesus) as a prophet...and too his mother Mariyam( Mary)!