DUH! We don't have an answer for it because we can't understand it all. Hasn't ANYBODY been reading?

I'm not even sure how to respond...I think you have the wrong idea of what a debate is.

The existence of Jesus is debatable. Since millions of people base their faith on the existence of this man, I think it is important to examine the facts, especially if (and I don't know your views so this isn't about you) these folks want to make me live by their faith (in such things as laws).

So, if you want the US to be a "Christian country" I think it's important to determine if this man named Christ even existed at all.

In other words, if we all had to grow beards because Papa Smurf said so, wouldn't you want to know if Papa Smurf even existed or would you just bow down and do it? And then say, "you can't understand eveything Papa Smurf said because he said you wouldn't"...?

how can you have faith in something you dont understand? you contradict yourself like every other person backing up religion because instead of actually taking on board my opinion you dodge around it by saying we cant understand this blah blah.. when we die well understand blah blah.

if you have faith in something you dont understand that means you dont really know TRULY what it is or why you have faith in it at all.

im not a preist or anything but most of the senior members of the church ive met pretty well think they understand god down to a tee or so they think

Uh, actually, I do understand what debating is. I think it's you who doesn't

According to the heritage dictionary



Syllogisms





As I said, I know for a fact because of experiences. Just because I don't understand something doesn't mean I can't have faith in it. I don't understand all of the English Language, but I know it is there.

And I know what I have faith in. I live it every day and in every way possible.

I will be patient...I will be patient....

The point of this thread is to debate if Jesus the man existed two thousand years ago. Not if he exists to you in some metaphysical way, or in faith, but that if this dude walked around on the Earth at all.

It is not a solid proven fact like the sky is blue, the square root of sixteen is four, or that China is a communist country.

(By the way, your dictionary definition did not back up your assertion.)

Have you got anything to say about that?

I have not seen a single post of evidence that would lead me to conclude this jesus actually existed. So to make my country and "christian country" is to base it on fiction not fact and also just happens to run contrary to my constitution..

so it works like this:

Xtian: Jesus Exists!
Me: How do you know?
Xtian: God told me so!
Me: Oh? What does god sound like? Tenor? Bass? Accented?
Xtian: He speaks to me in my heart!
Me: Thats nice. Still doesn't tell me what he sound like though.
Xtian:

so you see why its a little difficult to blindly accept the existance of a hypothetical personality?

I'm willing to accept the J-man existed, just not that he was the son of God. He was a radical activist who promoted love and tolerance, and he helped a lot of people, and then he was executed.

i know lots of guys named jesus

none of them can talk to birds or heal blind people or "walk on water" "which is impossible btw"

sure jesus existed! alot of them do!!!

do i think jesus existed? yes i do
however he was NOT some magical wizzard

The dictionary definition of a debate is above. It does say opinions.


And, for records stating Jesus did indeed exist, at least as a person

go here

http://www.christian-faith.com/html/page/d id_jesus_exist

Also, why do you think this year is 2007 AD?

what do you think AD means? Duh! After the Death. So, are you saying the entire calendar and roman's and everything is wrong? If so, what year is it?

Not to mention textbooks in school mentioned a man named Jesus and described him and everything.

okay hun

that link you posted is a CHRISTIAN website
DUH a christian website would say he exsisted

youre not getting through to the non believers though

because guess what? i dont believe in this "religon" youre apart of

Did you read the website?

Read it, then reply...... I'm not trying to get you to believe in Jesus Christ, but I am giving you proof Jesus, as a person, existed, which according to birch is the point of this thread...


ACTUALLY READ IT!!!

yes he existed!

umm like i said i can name about 10 guys name jesus tht I KNOW that EXIST!

That isn't the point of this topic... You know we are talking about The Jesus...... The one I believe in, not just some guy.....

ahah but he was just some guy

Godzgrl: No. No, no, no. No. A.D. stands for Anno Domini. Not only that, but 0 A.D. is supposedly the year Jesus was born, so what does that have to do with 'After Death'? If we counted from his death, it would be 1974 right now, and nobody needs another go-round of the 70s. The disco alone would doom us all.

Also, textbooks in school? You're bypassing historical documentation and going with modern schoolbooks? You don't really think that's acceptable evidence to bring to a debate, do you?

The point I was trying to make earlier is because we have no idea what Jesus actually thought about himself (there are no documents that were written by him) then there is no reason to think he is schizophrenic. It's more likely that he was just an exaggerated fable.

Oy vey...Okay, done being patient.

If you have nothing substantial to add to the debate, then kindly step aside and allow the adults to continue the conversation.

*duh*



You, me, a pub. Whaddya say?

georgia, i wasnt suggesting he was actually schizophrenic i was saying that by todays standard he would automatically be classed with some sort of mental illness based on his claims.

godzgrl, your not providing any real evidence or even a valid point at all. just because YOU have faith in something does not provide nearly enough evidence to counter-claim that jesus did not actually exist. which is pretty much your whole argument. the text books in school also say he was a blonde haired, blue eyed guy when he would obviously be of middle eastern apperence. your problem is you rely to much on your faith and you completly close your eyes and ears to the possibility of someone else making a good point for the other side of the argument. its exactly like every other christian or religous person ive talked to or read posts from, always answer a question with another question because all you have is faith in something you dont have the slightest idea of or even understand to begin with.

the_girlfriend, yes there probably was alot of people back in those days called jesus and still there still is today but we are talking about the self proclaimed "son of god" and if he existed at all not some random guy. those random people named jesus actually existed where as this person did not in my opinion.

no offence meant to anyone just my 2 cents

you guys still don't get the argument. whether or not he existed historically has nothing to do with whether his claims or other people's claims of him being the messiah are true or not. it's like in 2000 years if people argued about the dalai lama and whether or not he really existed as the man tenzin gyatso born on whatever day in the 19th century. it would be irrelevant whether you believed he was a reincarnation of the bodhisattva or not even though millions of people believe him to be. (you can say, oh there would be records, but 2000 years down the line, how will anyone know what records are authentic and which aren't?)

the fact is he is an important historical figure and a charismatic leader who happens to also be a religious figure. he is respected whether people follow his religious beliefs or not because his philosophy is generally compassionate and peaceful. why is it people who are not christians can't look at jesus this way? i think the non-religious people have a little too much of a chip on their shoulder when it comes to christianity in particular because of the state of the christian right in america today. therefore there is more than a little bias on either side of this argument and it really shows.

i urge people to watch the movie zeitgeist heres the link to the first part. http://youtube.com/watch?v=KeZB2EsPqGE

there is a few points that are wrong in this movie as ive done alot of the same research myself but for the most part explains religion well. it will show you what the bible means with everything to do with jesus, his 12 disciples, the birth and resurrection of jesus. it explains its all to do with astrology and also explains why alot of religions have similar beliefs and key points to there writings.

the next part to the movie is about the 9/11 conspiricy as well as i seen the other thread posted on this forum. it goes into detail about the planes, building 7, the pentagon and most of all the secrecy of the US government!

as i said a couple of the points are wrong but they minor details. it doesnt try to prove that religion is false but explains how christianity is plagerised from another religion at the very least. which is a key point in itself because christianity doesnt approve of any other religions.

it really will give you some insight into your life, thoughts and beliefs