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Tylanas

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Posted: 08-10-07 16:52pm

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Eiri wrote:

I get it from young people my age... O.o

I'm not sitting on the bandwagon. I'm refusing to get ON the bandwagon until there is irrefutable proof.

You mean, irrefutable proof that you can agree with. (re: the scientist you believe about the pentagon, but not the WTC towers) Wink

(What's "O.o" mean?)

It's a facial expression lol. One big eye one little eye?

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Debate Posted: 08-20-07 04:44am


I have a question to ask of the posters in this thread who are christians(meblonde01, et al): There are people who do not believe in Jesus or God but they live their lives as honest, caring, compassionate, loving, positive, helpful, and nurturing people... would they still go to hell because they don't believe?

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Posted: 08-20-07 06:31am

karmata wrote:

I have a question to ask of the posters in this thread who are christians(meblonde01, et al):

There are people who do not believe in Jesus or God but they live their lives as honest, caring, compassionate, loving, positive, helpful, and nurturing people... would they still go to hell because they don't believe?

God says Yes. I don't know.. I'm not God.. But his word says it is the biggest Blasphemy of all"not beleiving in him"..

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Posted: 08-20-07 10:53am


I think that's the biggest turn off for believers and non-believers. They look at that and go "whaaaa? A truly benevolent god wouldn't give a darn!"

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Posted: 08-20-07 10:55am

Eiri wrote:

I think that's the biggest turn off for believers and non-believers. They look at that and go "whaaaa? A truly benevolent god wouldn't give a darn!"

yep yep

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Posted: 08-20-07 10:59am


It's a tool of manipulation. Fear. I believe in a higher power, and I do not believe that higher power is 'humanmade' such as you see with the organized religions of the day. I just checked a book out of the library called "The Jesus Family Tomb" and I remember hearing a buzz about it last winter. I wonder what it will say.

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Posted: 08-20-07 11:07am


I believe so. The Bible says so, so I believe it. Even the scientists agree he lived, as to his being the Son of God, they don't. I believe he is the Son of God though.

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Posted: 08-20-07 11:14am


We can do nothing good to earn our way to heaven (Titus 3:5). "And this is the way to have eternal life - to know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, the one you sent to earth" (John 17:3). Most people believe in God, even Satan does. But to receive salvation, we must turn to God, form a personal relationship, turn away from our sins, and follow Him. John 14:6, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. NO ONE CAN COME TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH ME."

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Posted: 08-20-07 11:30am


Well, once again I must say... Christianity is retarded.

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Posted: 08-20-07 11:32am

Birch wrote:

It's a tool of manipulation. Fear.

I believe in a higher power, and I do not believe that higher power is 'humanmade' such as you see with the organized religions of the day.

I just checked a book out of the library called "The Jesus Family Tomb" and I remember hearing a buzz about it last winter.

I wonder what it will say.

oh you HAVE to see the movie birch
its great
i watched it atleast 3 times and its quite interesting Very
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Posted: 08-20-07 11:33am

milletics wrote:

.John 14:6, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. NO ONE CAN COME TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH ME."

its a popularity contest
thats all it is

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Posted: 08-20-07 11:36am

the_girlfreind wrote:

milletics wrote:

.John 14:6, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. NO ONE CAN COME TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH ME."

its a popularity contest
thats all it is

You attend church you said right?

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Posted: 08-20-07 11:39am

meblonde01 wrote:

the_girlfreind wrote:

milletics wrote:

.John 14:6, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. NO ONE CAN COME TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH ME."

its a popularity contest
thats all it is

You attend church you said right?

i used to attend church when i lived with my mom
howevere i went because i was forced to go. it was a "family" thing
i havent been in a really long time. and i wont go again. the youth groups STALKED me and came to my house. the youth director pressured and tried to persuade me to do all kinds of crap. go to these "walks" and "camps"

im sorry but they were fraeking psyco and every church ive been to has acted like that. heck one even tried to MAKE me get "rebaptized" in THEIR church!!!!

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Posted: 08-20-07 11:47am

karmata wrote:

There are people who do not believe in Jesus or God but they live their lives as honest, caring, compassionate, loving, positive, helpful, and nurturing people... would they still go to hell because they don't believe?

Without getting into the whole religious issue, I do believe in a supreme being of some type (maybe even a woman!!), but I am not a believer in organized religion. I was raised as a Christian and I have nothing against other people worshiping God, Jesus, Buddha or whoever they wish.

I live my life as described by karmata above and look forward to the end of my life with optimism. I do believe that many people use religion as a guide to live their lives and they feel more comfortable with their mortality thinking that there may be a better place waiting for them in heaven.

Going to heaven or hell is not a problem because I don't believe in them. It doesn't bother me because I KNOW I have lived a good, caring life and I have followed my own commandment: "Do unto others as you want them to do to you." You'd be surprised how well the golden rule works in real life. My supreme being is like my conscience, he or she expects me to live up to internal rules I have set up for myself to get through life.

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Posted: 08-20-07 11:51am


Golden Rule FTW (for the win!)

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Posted: 08-20-07 11:54am

the_girlfreind wrote:

meblonde01 wrote:

the_girlfreind wrote:

milletics wrote:

.John 14:6, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. NO ONE CAN COME TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH ME."

its a popularity contest
thats all it is

You attend church you said right?

humm but you stated in the PG forum that you invited your church congregation to your baby shower.. interesting..

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Posted: 08-20-07 12:15pm

Eiri wrote:

Well, once again I must say... Christianity is retarded.

Ooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh-kay.
ITS CALLED CHRISTIANITY!
So of COURSE you have to believe in Jesus to make it to heaven.
Cant get there by good works if you deny him. Makes sense to me.
Maybe its because you deny him and rather worship a clay sculpture.

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Posted: 08-20-07 12:17pm

meblonde01 wrote:

the_girlfreind wrote:

meblonde01 wrote:

the_girlfreind wrote:

milletics wrote:

.John 14:6, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. NO ONE CAN COME TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH ME."

its a popularity contest
thats all it is

You attend church you said right?

humm but you stated in the PG forum that you invited your church congregation to your baby shower.. interesting..

yes i have alot of friends that attend that church
that i grew up with
most of our family freinds go to that church and they WILL be invited to my shower
its a small church and everyone was very close together
just because i dont go there anymore doesnt mean they arent going to be invited Rolling Eyes

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Posted: 08-20-07 12:41pm

the_girlfreind wrote:

meblonde01 wrote:

the_girlfreind wrote:

meblonde01 wrote:

the_girlfreind wrote:

milletics wrote:

.John 14:6, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. NO ONE CAN COME TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH ME."

its a popularity contest
thats all it is

You attend church you said right?

humm but you stated in the PG forum that you invited your church congregation to your baby shower.. interesting..

Sorry but by what you said. ("im sorry but they were fraeking psyco")sounded like you didn't like any of them anymore..

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Posted: 08-20-07 13:06pm

milletics wrote:

Eiri wrote:

Well, once again I must say... Christianity is retarded.

I don't worship anything, k thnx bai.

Wait, did you believe Buddhists actually worship Buddha!? lmao. No, sorry. We don't worship anyone. A buddhist could worship a god if she or she wanted to, but buddhism is actually a philosophy, not a religion.

Anyway, moving on...

Christianity is NOT the only religion that believes in Heaven, yet christianity tries to lay claim to heaven and say that non-believers in jesus can't join.

Let me tell you this. Christianity does not own heaven. It's not yours. You can't rule who gets in and who doesn't, nor can Jesus, nor can "god". Nirvana, Enlightenment, the afterlife... Any "location" that humans believe they go after death... No one religion has a right to claim this place of joy as their own. Too many different religions believe in a heaven for one religion to "own" it.