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on August 9th, 2007
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eiri i love you Very Happy
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milletics
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[quote="Eiri"]Look people.



We ARE more likely to allow someone the freedom to believe whatever they want. We refuse to look down upon or feel "sorry" for people who don't believe what we do (or don't) believe.
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Just not schools.


Eiri wrote:

We refuse to force our beliefs on someone because we "believe it is for the better" and that they will be "better off knowing Jesus' love". If you want to believe, then do it. Just don't force it upon me. If you want to share your religion, I'd love to talk about it. But I want to talk WITH you about it, I do NOT want to be preached at.


You refuse huh? You mean like the fable of evolution in our schools
Yeah thats not preached about.

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We're sick of seeing you on street corners, messing with traffic, and yelling on our college campuses. Do you see Jewish or Buddhist or Muslim people doing that? No you don't, that's because those people have MANNERS. They don't shove pamphlets in people's faces as they walk down the street, and they don't block people from entering porn shops or women's clinics for pap smears and birth control. Christians do.


you mean like your gay parades? You speak of lies.
womens clinics for pap smears and bc? BS you meant for homicide.

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But I do not have to BELIEVE to understand his words. I do not have to prostrate myself in fear to an angry God to understand gentleness and kindness. I, a non-believer, can comprehend the words in the Bible just as well as a devout follower can.


Then stop shoving your humanist secularism down our throats.

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It is not cool. It is not benevolent. It is not, in my opinion, Christian. To constantly throw your superiority, opinions, and "grace" around is annoying, infuriating, and quite honesty makes me not respect you at all. It does not make me want to be Christian at all.


We dont. It only seems that way because you have completely rejected God. So that any mention of his name angers you. Rebellion.
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HcoBrunette06 wrote:
But I don't believe that happened, it's hard for me to believe in something that I've never seen or personally experienced, and if that makes me close minded, then so be it. why would someone who died for us put us through this? put us through war, put everyone overseas through what they're going through? put children through abuse, let children starve to death in africa, why would he want something so awful to happen to people that he supposidly loves and wants to spend eternity with?


God doesnt "let" anything happen. We do.
It is OUR sin that is causing this. Not God
God isnt the problem or at fault. God is the answer!
We need to run to him. Not away from him.

Hey I am not preachy. But if you are going to start making untrue statements about him and put him down...I will defend him.(of course to you people, you consider that preaching)
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milletics wrote:
HcoBrunette06 wrote:
But I don't believe that happened, it's hard for me to believe in something that I've never seen or personally experienced, and if that makes me close minded, then so be it. why would someone who died for us put us through this? put us through war, put everyone overseas through what they're going through? put children through abuse, let children starve to death in africa, why would he want something so awful to happen to people that he supposidly loves and wants to spend eternity with?


God doesnt "let" anything happen. We do.
It is OUR sin that is causing this. Not God
God isnt the problem or at fault. God is the answer!
We need to run to him. Not away from him.

Hey I am not preachy. But if you are going to start making untrue statements about him and put him down...I will defend him.(of course to you people, you consider that preaching)


Milletics and pb1381….
"Behold I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless and doves" (Matt 10:16).
When we evangelism, please do not put your foot into the house and use it as a door stop. This is not only rude on your part, you may get badly hurt if the slams the door at you. Don’t say, "I am willing to suffer for Christ. So if my foot gets crushed, praise the Lord, my reward is in heaven." Don’t think you are doing the Lord a favor. You are not. The Lord has told us to be wise not foolish.

If a person rejects our efforts to share the gospel with him, what must we do? It is very clear from this verse that we are to reject this person also. Sometimes we think that in evangelism, we must keep pressing on. Yes we need to press on in our preaching of the gospel, but there are times also that we need to pull back. When a person does not welcome you, leave him alone. You have done your part. God will do His part. The Lord will hold unbelievers accountable for their actions. God will judge them on that day.
God Bless!
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meblonde01 wrote:
milletics wrote:
HcoBrunette06 wrote:
But I don't believe that happened, it's hard for me to believe in something that I've never seen or personally experienced, and if that makes me close minded, then so be it. why would someone who died for us put us through this? put us through war, put everyone overseas through what they're going through? put children through abuse, let children starve to death in africa, why would he want something so awful to happen to people that he supposidly loves and wants to spend eternity with?


God doesnt "let" anything happen. We do.
It is OUR sin that is causing this. Not God
God isnt the problem or at fault. God is the answer!
We need to run to him. Not away from him.

Hey I am not preachy. But if you are going to start making untrue statements about him and put him down...I will defend him.(of course to you people, you consider that preaching)


Milletics and pb1381….
"Behold I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless and doves" (Matt 10:16).
When we evangelism, please do not put your foot into the house and use it as a door stop. This is not only rude on your part, you may get badly hurt if the slams the door at you. Don’t say, "I am willing to suffer for Christ. So if my foot gets crushed, praise the Lord, my reward is in heaven." Don’t think you are doing the Lord a favor. You are not. The Lord has told us to be wise not foolish.

If a person rejects our efforts to share the gospel with him, what must we do? It is very clear from this verse that we are to reject this person also. Sometimes we think that in evangelism, we must keep pressing on. Yes we need to press on in our preaching of the gospel, but there are times also that we need to pull back. When a person does not welcome you, leave him alone. You have done your part. God will do His part. The Lord will hold unbelievers accountable for their actions. God will judge them on that day.
God Bless!


Yes. When to say enough's enough can be tough.
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Eiri wrote:
pb1381 wrote:
There is nothing scientific about this, and yes I'm sure the koran is ALMOST word for word to the bible, there's your key word, ALMOST. Anyway, I think I'm done with this debate, I'll just have to pray for you and let God do the rest. Anyone that is curious about how to try and draw closer to the Lord, and doesn't just want to argue about it and try to prove it wrong, i will be more than willing to share some light with you.

Really? There's absolutely nothing scientific about biology? No wonder you're pro-life... you don't know what science is.

I'm sure God is a lot more friendly towards me. I don't force people to believe things. I also don't patronize them for not believing the same thing I believe in. I don't say "You're going to Hell because you don't believe in evolution!" Rather preposterous sounding isn't it?
If you think that God is more friendly to you, please refer back to this verse.
Matthew 7:23"I never knew you; depart from Me" And PLEASE do not tell me that you actually believe that we have evolved from monkeys? you know what, nevermind don't answer that, I already said I was done with this, hopefully that last verse tells you something. You don't know Him, and He doesn't know you, you have to be saved to change that. God does not answer the prayers or hear the prayers of unbelievers. Why would He be more friendly to you if you don't believe in Him? That makes NO sense. And I'm pro-life because I have 4 beautiful kids that I wouldn't trade for the world...Man!...twisted.
BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT! I'M DONE
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No one on this thread has proven the existence of Jesus.

I have seen Bible scripture quoted, I have heard that someone believes because they were raised that way, I have read that "you have to have faith".

If Jesus existed, surely it's easier to prove than "you just have to believe it?"

And c'mon everyone, let's not get in a tizzy and keep on tract.

I'm looking for physical evidence that Jesus existed.

Anyone?

*crickets*

Anyone at all?
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Birch wrote:
No one on this thread has proven the existence of Jesus.

I have seen Bible scripture quoted, I have heard that someone believes because they were raised that way, I have read that "you have to have faith".

If Jesus existed, surely it's easier to prove than "you just have to believe it?"

And c'mon everyone, let's not get in a tizzy and keep on tract.

I'm looking for physical evidence that Jesus existed.

Anyone?

*crickets*

Anyone at all?

you need pictures like we have for other people that existed and never met? Really the only people there are proof that they really exited is because there is a picture of them.. before camera it was only written down.. Did they not exist too? No Photo no proof?

Prove he didn't! More people believe he did than didn't..
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Birch wrote:
No one on this thread has proven the existence of Jesus.

I have seen Bible scripture quoted, I have heard that someone believes because they were raised that way, I have read that "you have to have faith".

If Jesus existed, surely it's easier to prove than "you just have to believe it?"

And c'mon everyone, let's not get in a tizzy and keep on tract.

I'm looking for physical evidence that Jesus existed.

Anyone?

*crickets*

Anyone at all?
The Bible and the scriptures in it is all the physical evidence we need.
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meblonde01 wrote:
Birch wrote:
No one on this thread has proven the existence of Jesus.

I have seen Bible scripture quoted, I have heard that someone believes because they were raised that way, I have read that "you have to have faith".

If Jesus existed, surely it's easier to prove than "you just have to believe it?"

And c'mon everyone, let's not get in a tizzy and keep on tract.

I'm looking for physical evidence that Jesus existed.

Anyone?

*crickets*

Anyone at all?

you need pictures like we have for other people that existed and never met? Really the only people there are proof that they really exited is because there is a picture of them.. before camera it was only written down.. Did they not exist too? No Photo no proof?

Prove he didn't! More people believe he did than didn't..
Ya! That's a good idea! They can try to prove to us he never existed!
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What if he did?
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AyaMiyaki
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Has anyone considered the Sudarium of Oviedo? Sorry if it's been mentioned before in this thread - 8 pages is a bit long for me.
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woops wrote:
What if he did?
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AyaMiyaki wrote:
Has anyone considered the Sudarium of Oviedo? Sorry if it's been mentioned before in this thread - 8 pages is a bit long for me.
What is that?
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AyaMiyaki
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It's believed to be the cloth that covered Jesus' head after the crucifixion.
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AyaMiyaki wrote:
It's believed to be the cloth that covered Jesus' head after the crucifixion.
oh ya, ok.
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AyaMiyaki
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Well, Birch asked for physical proof, and I believe the Sudarium of Oviedo might qualify. It's currently being debated, of course, but... *shrug* I thought it was worth mentioning.
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pb1381 wrote:
Birch wrote:
No one on this thread has proven the existence of Jesus.

I have seen Bible scripture quoted, I have heard that someone believes because they were raised that way, I have read that "you have to have faith".

If Jesus existed, surely it's easier to prove than "you just have to believe it?"

And c'mon everyone, let's not get in a tizzy and keep on tract.

I'm looking for physical evidence that Jesus existed.

Anyone?

*crickets*

Anyone at all?
The Bible and the scriptures in it is all the physical evidence we need.


im not going to believe some book that some crackhead could have written or some wierd psyco on an acid trip
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AyaMiyaki wrote:
Well, Birch asked for physical proof, and I believe the Sudarium of Oviedo might qualify. It's currently being debated, of course, but... *shrug* I thought it was worth mentioning.
Ya that's a good point. Notice there's been no reply from the non-believers?
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lol uh yeah i bet they did crack way back in jesus' day.
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