This is a subject that has gotten much
scrutiny over the last few years,and as
election time is coming, what are your
thoughts on this topic? Specifically:
Is illegal immigration a problem?
If so, what would you propose as a
realistic solution?
Why do you think this problem has become
so important? Is it just a diversonary
tactic by politicians to deflect negative
attention from the unpopular
war/occupation?
Is this becoming socially sanctioned new
racism?
Why are we only concerned with illegal
immigrants from Mexico, and not other
countries?
Do you think illegal immigrants from
Mexico truly pose a terrorist threat, or
is that just a red herring?
I would like this to be an open,
sensitive, thoughtful debate. If it turns
ugly, it will be locked.
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Magical Logic
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Posted: 08-01-07 11:12am
only thing i would like to say is i dont
care where you are from if you are here
illegally than you butt needs to be
shipped back.
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Marfa2107
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Posted: 08-01-07 11:13am
In my opinion, yes illegal immigration is
a problem..
especially in the southern states...
and i am not only concerned with illegal
mexicans, either..
any immigrant form any country should be
required to gain citizenship
here in American before being allowed to
"make America their home"...
i think we should come up with a different
way for them to gain citizenship
instead of having to live here for however
many years (i forgot) and different
standards for letting them come into our
country
i know that we are supposed to be the
"melting pot" (or something like that) but
i do think that some immigrants take
advantage of our country..
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everyday_struggle
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Joined: 30 Jul 2007 Posts: 304
Posted: 08-01-07 12:04pm
Illegal immigration is a problem but
simply saying they need to leave is not
the solution. The problem is with the
american companies who hire them, without
jobs illegal immigrants will not come. Its
easy to pick on illegals because they are
easy prey. Why not heavily fine the
companies that hire them and heavily tax
the companies that also outsource jobs to
other countries. Americans create their
own illegal immigration problem but use
illegals as a scapegoat. Also
mass-deportation is a bill that i would
not like to pay. My solution is to
document all illegals and run bacground
checks on them, the ones that do pass give
them some kind of work permit. Let them
pay their taxes and work here legally. The
ones who dont register are obviously
criminals and we should allocate our
resources to removing them. Because isnt
this what this immigration/border issue is
all about keeping us safe. But now we are
to busy worrying about juan and maria
getting a job than terrorists coming in.
Wake up U.S. and set your priorities
straight. I dont want another 911 because
our hate filled hearts were to busy
kicking illegals out, rather than
terrorists.
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Birch
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Posted: 08-01-07 13:47pm
everyday_struggle
wrote:
Illegal immigration is a
problem but simply saying they need to
leave is not the solution. The problem is
with the american companies who hire them,
without jobs illegal immigrants will not
come. Its easy to pick on illegals because
they are easy prey. Why not heavily fine
the companies that hire them and heavily
tax the companies that also outsource jobs
to other countries. Americans create their
own illegal immigration problem but use
illegals as a scapegoat. Also
mass-deportation is a bill that i would
not like to pay. My solution is to
document all illegals and run bacground
checks on them, the ones that do pass give
them some kind of work permit. Let them
pay their taxes and work here legally. The
ones who dont register are obviously
criminals and we should allocate our
resources to removing them. Because isnt
this what this immigration/border issue is
all about keeping us safe. But now we are
to busy worrying about juan and maria
getting a job than terrorists coming in.
Wake up U.S. and set your priorities
straight. I dont want another 911 because
our hate filled hearts were to busy
kicking illegals out, rather than
terrorists.
The terrorists are already here.
*cough cough*
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everyday_struggle
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Joined: 30 Jul 2007 Posts: 304
Posted: 08-01-07 15:24pm
Birch
wrote:
The terrorists are already here.
*cough cough*
o yea? where?
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young Girl
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Posted: 08-01-07 15:27pm
Birch
wrote:
everyday_struggle
wrote:
Illegal immigration is a
problem but simply saying they need to
leave is not the solution. The problem is
with the american companies who hire them,
without jobs illegal immigrants will not
come. Its easy to pick on illegals because
they are easy prey. Why not heavily fine
the companies that hire them and heavily
tax the companies that also outsource jobs
to other countries. Americans create their
own illegal immigration problem but use
illegals as a scapegoat. Also
mass-deportation is a bill that i would
not like to pay. My solution is to
document all illegals and run bacground
checks on them, the ones that do pass give
them some kind of work permit. Let them
pay their taxes and work here legally. The
ones who dont register are obviously
criminals and we should allocate our
resources to removing them. Because isnt
this what this immigration/border issue is
all about keeping us safe. But now we are
to busy worrying about juan and maria
getting a job than terrorists coming in.
Wake up U.S. and set your priorities
straight. I dont want another 911 because
our hate filled hearts were to busy
kicking illegals out, rather than
terrorists.
The terrorists are already here.
*cough cough*
we think alike birch :] lol
yes immigration is a problem and i live in
texas and it sucks
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Birch
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Posted: 08-01-07 16:17pm
everyday_struggle
wrote:
Birch
wrote:
The terrorists are already here.
*cough cough*
o yea? where?
Oh, no...here we go...
Main Entry: ter·ror·ism
Pronunciation: 'ter-&r-"i-z&m
Function: noun
Definition: the systematic use of terror
especially as a means of coercion
The current administration uses terror to
coerce the public to 1. Support war 2.
Suppress those who do not support war 3.
Spur blind patriotism 4. Turn a blind eye
to the loss of civil liberties (Look at
the Patriot Act)..etc, etc.
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everyday_struggle
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Joined: 30 Jul 2007 Posts: 304
Posted: 08-01-07 16:25pm
Birch
wrote:
everyday_struggle
wrote:
Birch
wrote:
The terrorists are already here.
*cough cough*
o yea? where?
Oh, no...here we go...
Main Entry: ter·ror·ism
Pronunciation: 'ter-&r-"i-z&m
Function: noun
Definition: the systematic use of terror
especially as a means of coercion
The current administration uses terror to
coerce the public to 1. Support war 2.
Suppress those who do not support war 3.
Spur blind patriotism 4. Turn a blind eye
to the loss of civil liberties (Look at
the Patriot Act)..etc,
etc.
Illegal immigration is a
problem but simply saying they need to
leave is not the solution. The problem is
with the american companies who hire them,
without jobs illegal immigrants will not
come. Its easy to pick on illegals because
they are easy prey. Why not heavily fine
the companies that hire them and heavily
tax the companies that also outsource jobs
to other countries. Americans create their
own illegal immigration problem but use
illegals as a scapegoat. Also
mass-deportation is a bill that i would
not like to pay. My solution is to
document all illegals and run bacground
checks on them, the ones that do pass give
them some kind of work permit. Let them
pay their taxes and work here legally. The
ones who dont register are obviously
criminals and we should allocate our
resources to removing them. Because isnt
this what this immigration/border issue is
all about keeping us safe. But now we are
to busy worrying about juan and maria
getting a job than terrorists coming in.
Wake up U.S. and set your priorities
straight. I dont want another 911 because
our hate filled hearts were to busy
kicking illegals out, rather than
terrorists.
The terrorists are already here.
*cough cough*
we think alike birch :] lol
yes immigration is a problem and i live in
texas and it
sucks
No you don't. LOL.
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Magical Logic
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Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Posts: 2248
Posted: 08-01-07 19:10pm
yes i agree that companys that hire them
should have a harsh punishment.
but if they wanna live here to it
legally. ship them back and if they really
wanna live here they will do it legally.
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young Girl
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Posted: 08-01-07 21:01pm
chase4
wrote:
yes i agree that companys
that hire them should have a harsh
punishment.
but if they wanna live here to it
legally. ship them back and if they really
wanna live here they will do it
legally.
yeah i agree
hopfully it will be stopped...one
day...maybe....i doubt it
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Jude-Love
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Joined: 17 Jun 2007 Posts: 727 Location: Williamstown, Kentucky USA
Posted: 08-01-07 21:47pm
I think, obviously, we should have rules
for people to gain citizenship to our
country because it's safe, but I think
this issue is so complex that it really
isn't possible for so many people to weigh
in with any real knowledge about it (but
most people do anyway). I personally do
not care if people come to America
illegally-regardless of the comments about
them using welfare here, etc etc. I don't
care because they aren't doing anything
worse than many of our citizens already do
anyway. Being born here doesn't give you
more of a right to sponge off of others or
the government. It isn't suddenly less
worse because you are white.
I definitely think that the issue is
mainly targeted against the Hispanic
community and it is making people think it
is okay to be racist.
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nadia19
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Joined: 02 Dec 2006 Posts: 170
Posted: 08-01-07 23:42pm
My family are immigrants. Legal though. We
came here 12 years ago with the intent to
work and start a family in a good economy.
What bothers me the most is that my dad
was a liscenced mechanic back home but
he's not allowed to be that here unless he
goes through schooling again. And
my aunt was a paediatrician and now she
works Laundry at a nursing home here.
Anyway..I don't know much about illegal
immigration to continue babbling in my
post so..
carry on..
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Mommy35
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Joined: 23 Sep 2006 Posts: 3165 Location: Vacationland, USA,
Posted: 08-02-07 07:58am
I am fine with people coming here to work
and be productive members of society. I
honestly think if someone wants to come to
the US and become a citizen the best way
to prove that is to enlist in the
military. Go serve the country that you
say you want to be a citizen of and then
we will give you citizenship. I have no
issue with your immediate family (spouse
and children) living here while you are in
the service. If you don't complete the
agreed time your shipped back to your
homeland. Simple as that.
I also think there should be some sort of
probabtion period, so if you come here and
commit a crime you can be sent back.
Business that hire illegal immigrants
should be heavily fined
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amino65
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Posted: 08-02-07 10:58am
I think this would be appropriately placed
here:
My history teacher whipped out the Fresno
Bee Newspaper this morning and said, "On
the subject of immigration... did you hear
about the woman who was shot because she
couldn't speak english?"
and he goes on to tell us that a man
whipped out a gun and put it to the
woman's head and demanded money.
Apparently, she turned to the friend that
was with her at the time and asked "what
did he say", so the man shot her and
killed her in front of her two
children...
how sad., just because he wasn't patient
enough for her to get a quick
translation.
Anywho, I'm first generation, my parents
both came here from mexico (legally, I
might add, my mom even took a test to
become a US citizen), and even being the
descendant of immigrants, I think that all
people, not just mexican's should come
here legally instead of risking so much by
breaking a law they may not agree with. I
also agree that people who hire illegal
immigrants because they will work for less
wages should be heavily fined.
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everyday_struggle
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Joined: 30 Jul 2007 Posts: 304
Posted: 08-02-07 11:26am
the_girlfreind
wrote:
chase4
wrote:
yes i agree that companys
that hire them should have a harsh
punishment.
but if they wanna live here to it
legally. ship them back and if they really
wanna live here they will do it
legally.
yeah i agree
hopfully it will be stopped...one
day...maybe....i doubt
it
no it wont stop, because the resolve to
live a better life is stronger than the
resolve to kick someone out of a country
and you agreeing to ship them back is an
expensive and not a real solution, the
data analysis estimates the cost to be at
least $206 billion over 5 years ($41.2
billion annually) just so illegals can hop
right back over again.
and to chase4, the process of coming here
legally is so ridicolous that it caters to
the wealthy and well off people in their
countries, in other words. Poor people are
denied entrance while rich people get
accepted. What else is left but to pay a
coyote to smuggle you in the country.
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meblonde01
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Posted: 08-02-07 11:32am
I don't think they need to be shipped back
they just need to be legal.. Go thorugh
all the channels to be legal as we are and
I have no problem.. But if you are here
and not.. Then leave!
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milletics
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Joined: 29 Jun 2007 Posts: 204
Posted: 08-02-07 11:52am
chase4
wrote:
only thing i would like to
say is i dont care where you are from if
you are here illegally than you butt needs
to be shipped
back.
Agreed.
And concerning the original posters
comment about why this whole issue seems
to be with Mexico: Because it is just with
mexico. Canadiens are generally proud of
their country and have no desire to leave.
I think.
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HcoBrunette06
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Posted: 08-02-07 12:47pm
shasta205
wrote:
I think this would be
appropriately placed here:
My history teacher whipped out the Fresno
Bee Newspaper this morning and said, "On
the subject of immigration... did you hear
about the woman who was shot because she
couldn't speak english?"
and he goes on to tell us that a man
whipped out a gun and put it to the
woman's head and demanded money.
Apparently, she turned to the friend that
was with her at the time and asked "what
did he say", so the man shot her and
killed her in front of her two
children...
how sad., just because he wasn't patient
enough for her to get a quick
translation.
Anywho, I'm first generation, my parents
both came here from mexico (legally, I
might add, my mom even took a test to
become a US citizen), and even being the
descendant of immigrants, I think that all
people, not just mexican's should come
here legally instead of risking so much by
breaking a law they may not agree with. I
also agree that people who hire illegal
immigrants because they will work for less
wages should be heavily
fined.
that's horrible, what would he speak if he
went to mexico? ENGLISH, what a hypocrit.
I hate people.