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sillyakchick

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Immigration
Posted: 08-01-07 11:09am

This is a subject that has gotten much scrutiny over the last few years,and as election time is coming, what are your thoughts on this topic? Specifically:

Is illegal immigration a problem?

If so, what would you propose as a realistic solution?

Why do you think this problem has become so important? Is it just a diversonary tactic by politicians to deflect negative attention from the unpopular war/occupation?

Is this becoming socially sanctioned new racism?

Why are we only concerned with illegal immigrants from Mexico, and not other countries?

Do you think illegal immigrants from Mexico truly pose a terrorist threat, or is that just a red herring?

I would like this to be an open, sensitive, thoughtful debate. If it turns ugly, it will be locked. Wink
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Magical Logic

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Posted: 08-01-07 11:12am

only thing i would like to say is i dont care where you are from if you are here illegally than you butt needs to be shipped back.
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Posted: 08-01-07 11:13am

In my opinion, yes illegal immigration is a problem..
especially in the southern states...

and i am not only concerned with illegal mexicans, either..
any immigrant form any country should be required to gain citizenship
here in American before being allowed to "make America their home"...

i think we should come up with a different way for them to gain citizenship
instead of having to live here for however many years (i forgot) and different standards for letting them come into our country

i know that we are supposed to be the "melting pot" (or something like that) but i do think that some immigrants take advantage of our country..
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everyday_struggle

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Posted: 08-01-07 12:04pm

Illegal immigration is a problem but simply saying they need to leave is not the solution. The problem is with the american companies who hire them, without jobs illegal immigrants will not come. Its easy to pick on illegals because they are easy prey. Why not heavily fine the companies that hire them and heavily tax the companies that also outsource jobs to other countries. Americans create their own illegal immigration problem but use illegals as a scapegoat. Also mass-deportation is a bill that i would not like to pay. My solution is to document all illegals and run bacground checks on them, the ones that do pass give them some kind of work permit. Let them pay their taxes and work here legally. The ones who dont register are obviously criminals and we should allocate our resources to removing them. Because isnt this what this immigration/border issue is all about keeping us safe. But now we are to busy worrying about juan and maria getting a job than terrorists coming in. Wake up U.S. and set your priorities straight. I dont want another 911 because our hate filled hearts were to busy kicking illegals out, rather than terrorists.
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Birch

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Posted: 08-01-07 13:47pm

everyday_struggle wrote:
Illegal immigration is a problem but simply saying they need to leave is not the solution. The problem is with the american companies who hire them, without jobs illegal immigrants will not come. Its easy to pick on illegals because they are easy prey. Why not heavily fine the companies that hire them and heavily tax the companies that also outsource jobs to other countries. Americans create their own illegal immigration problem but use illegals as a scapegoat. Also mass-deportation is a bill that i would not like to pay. My solution is to document all illegals and run bacground checks on them, the ones that do pass give them some kind of work permit. Let them pay their taxes and work here legally. The ones who dont register are obviously criminals and we should allocate our resources to removing them. Because isnt this what this immigration/border issue is all about keeping us safe. But now we are to busy worrying about juan and maria getting a job than terrorists coming in. Wake up U.S. and set your priorities straight. I dont want another 911 because our hate filled hearts were to busy kicking illegals out, rather than terrorists.


The terrorists are already here.

*cough cough*
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everyday_struggle

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Posted: 08-01-07 15:24pm

Birch wrote:


The terrorists are already here.

*cough cough*

o yea? where?
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Posted: 08-01-07 15:27pm

Birch wrote:
everyday_struggle wrote:
Illegal immigration is a problem but simply saying they need to leave is not the solution. The problem is with the american companies who hire them, without jobs illegal immigrants will not come. Its easy to pick on illegals because they are easy prey. Why not heavily fine the companies that hire them and heavily tax the companies that also outsource jobs to other countries. Americans create their own illegal immigration problem but use illegals as a scapegoat. Also mass-deportation is a bill that i would not like to pay. My solution is to document all illegals and run bacground checks on them, the ones that do pass give them some kind of work permit. Let them pay their taxes and work here legally. The ones who dont register are obviously criminals and we should allocate our resources to removing them. Because isnt this what this immigration/border issue is all about keeping us safe. But now we are to busy worrying about juan and maria getting a job than terrorists coming in. Wake up U.S. and set your priorities straight. I dont want another 911 because our hate filled hearts were to busy kicking illegals out, rather than terrorists.


The terrorists are already here.

*cough cough*


we think alike birch :] lol


yes immigration is a problem and i live in texas and it sucks
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Posted: 08-01-07 16:17pm

everyday_struggle wrote:
Birch wrote:


The terrorists are already here.

*cough cough*

o yea? where?


Oh, no...here we go...

Main Entry: ter·ror·ism
Pronunciation: 'ter-&r-"i-z&m
Function: noun
Definition: the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion

The current administration uses terror to coerce the public to 1. Support war 2. Suppress those who do not support war 3. Spur blind patriotism 4. Turn a blind eye to the loss of civil liberties (Look at the Patriot Act)..etc, etc.
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everyday_struggle

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Posted: 08-01-07 16:25pm

Birch wrote:
everyday_struggle wrote:
Birch wrote:


The terrorists are already here.

*cough cough*

o yea? where?


Oh, no...here we go...

Main Entry: ter·ror·ism
Pronunciation: 'ter-&r-"i-z&m
Function: noun
Definition: the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion

The current administration uses terror to coerce the public to 1. Support war 2. Suppress those who do not support war 3. Spur blind patriotism 4. Turn a blind eye to the loss of civil liberties (Look at the Patriot Act)..etc, etc.

i totally agree, but unfortuntely the worse of the terrorists are in power. You wanna get pissed off?
http://www.livelea k.com/view?i=d05_1183505393

anyway, back to immigration, i dont want to get accussed of trying to hijack this thread.
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Posted: 08-01-07 18:03pm

the_girlfreind wrote:
Birch wrote:
everyday_struggle wrote:
Illegal immigration is a problem but simply saying they need to leave is not the solution. The problem is with the american companies who hire them, without jobs illegal immigrants will not come. Its easy to pick on illegals because they are easy prey. Why not heavily fine the companies that hire them and heavily tax the companies that also outsource jobs to other countries. Americans create their own illegal immigration problem but use illegals as a scapegoat. Also mass-deportation is a bill that i would not like to pay. My solution is to document all illegals and run bacground checks on them, the ones that do pass give them some kind of work permit. Let them pay their taxes and work here legally. The ones who dont register are obviously criminals and we should allocate our resources to removing them. Because isnt this what this immigration/border issue is all about keeping us safe. But now we are to busy worrying about juan and maria getting a job than terrorists coming in. Wake up U.S. and set your priorities straight. I dont want another 911 because our hate filled hearts were to busy kicking illegals out, rather than terrorists.


The terrorists are already here.

*cough cough*


we think alike birch :] lol


yes immigration is a problem and i live in texas and it sucks



No you don't. LOL.
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Magical Logic

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Posted: 08-01-07 19:10pm

yes i agree that companys that hire them should have a harsh punishment.
but if they wanna live here to it legally. ship them back and if they really wanna live here they will do it legally.
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Posted: 08-01-07 21:01pm

chase4 wrote:
yes i agree that companys that hire them should have a harsh punishment.
but if they wanna live here to it legally. ship them back and if they really wanna live here they will do it legally.


yeah i agree
hopfully it will be stopped...one day...maybe....i doubt it
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Posted: 08-01-07 21:47pm

I think, obviously, we should have rules for people to gain citizenship to our country because it's safe, but I think this issue is so complex that it really isn't possible for so many people to weigh in with any real knowledge about it (but most people do anyway). I personally do not care if people come to America illegally-regardless of the comments about them using welfare here, etc etc. I don't care because they aren't doing anything worse than many of our citizens already do anyway. Being born here doesn't give you more of a right to sponge off of others or the government. It isn't suddenly less worse because you are white.

I definitely think that the issue is mainly targeted against the Hispanic community and it is making people think it is okay to be racist.
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Posted: 08-01-07 23:42pm

My family are immigrants. Legal though. We came here 12 years ago with the intent to work and start a family in a good economy. What bothers me the most is that my dad was a liscenced mechanic back home but he's not allowed to be that here unless he goes through schooling again. Confused And my aunt was a paediatrician and now she works Laundry at a nursing home here.

Anyway..I don't know much about illegal immigration to continue babbling in my post so..

carry on.. Smile
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Posted: 08-02-07 07:58am

I am fine with people coming here to work and be productive members of society. I honestly think if someone wants to come to the US and become a citizen the best way to prove that is to enlist in the military. Go serve the country that you say you want to be a citizen of and then we will give you citizenship. I have no issue with your immediate family (spouse and children) living here while you are in the service. If you don't complete the agreed time your shipped back to your homeland. Simple as that.
I also think there should be some sort of probabtion period, so if you come here and commit a crime you can be sent back.

Business that hire illegal immigrants should be heavily fined
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Posted: 08-02-07 10:58am

I think this would be appropriately placed here:

My history teacher whipped out the Fresno Bee Newspaper this morning and said, "On the subject of immigration... did you hear about the woman who was shot because she couldn't speak english?"

and he goes on to tell us that a man whipped out a gun and put it to the woman's head and demanded money. Apparently, she turned to the friend that was with her at the time and asked "what did he say", so the man shot her and killed her in front of her two children...

how sad., just because he wasn't patient enough for her to get a quick translation.

Anywho, I'm first generation, my parents both came here from mexico (legally, I might add, my mom even took a test to become a US citizen), and even being the descendant of immigrants, I think that all people, not just mexican's should come here legally instead of risking so much by breaking a law they may not agree with. I also agree that people who hire illegal immigrants because they will work for less wages should be heavily fined.
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everyday_struggle

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Posted: 08-02-07 11:26am

the_girlfreind wrote:
chase4 wrote:
yes i agree that companys that hire them should have a harsh punishment.
but if they wanna live here to it legally. ship them back and if they really wanna live here they will do it legally.


yeah i agree
hopfully it will be stopped...one day...maybe....i doubt it

no it wont stop, because the resolve to live a better life is stronger than the resolve to kick someone out of a country and you agreeing to ship them back is an expensive and not a real solution, the data analysis estimates the cost to be at least $206 billion over 5 years ($41.2 billion annually) just so illegals can hop right back over again.
and to chase4, the process of coming here legally is so ridicolous that it caters to the wealthy and well off people in their countries, in other words. Poor people are denied entrance while rich people get accepted. What else is left but to pay a coyote to smuggle you in the country.
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Posted: 08-02-07 11:32am

I don't think they need to be shipped back they just need to be legal.. Go thorugh all the channels to be legal as we are and I have no problem.. But if you are here and not.. Then leave!
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Posted: 08-02-07 11:52am

chase4 wrote:
only thing i would like to say is i dont care where you are from if you are here illegally than you butt needs to be shipped back.


Agreed.

And concerning the original posters comment about why this whole issue seems to be with Mexico: Because it is just with mexico. Canadiens are generally proud of their country and have no desire to leave. I think.
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Posted: 08-02-07 12:47pm

shasta205 wrote:
I think this would be appropriately placed here:

My history teacher whipped out the Fresno Bee Newspaper this morning and said, "On the subject of immigration... did you hear about the woman who was shot because she couldn't speak english?"

and he goes on to tell us that a man whipped out a gun and put it to the woman's head and demanded money. Apparently, she turned to the friend that was with her at the time and asked "what did he say", so the man shot her and killed her in front of her two children...

how sad., just because he wasn't patient enough for her to get a quick translation.

Anywho, I'm first generation, my parents both came here from mexico (legally, I might add, my mom even took a test to become a US citizen), and even being the descendant of immigrants, I think that all people, not just mexican's should come here legally instead of risking so much by breaking a law they may not agree with. I also agree that people who hire illegal immigrants because they will work for less wages should be heavily fined.


that's horrible, what would he speak if he went to mexico? ENGLISH, what a hypocrit. I hate people.
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