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Should Families Decide When to Pull the Plug? Posted: 07-30-07 08:40am
If a patient is usually beyond saving , it
is the family's decision (with the
suggestions of doctors) to end life
support. What would you do if your loved
one was in the chronic position of being
on life support? Would you pull the
plug?
Why or why not?
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Posted: 07-30-07 08:50am
Man, it is so ironic that this forum came
up today. My good friend is in a coma
right now and has a 50/50 chance at living
and his family might have to make this
decision soon. It is so hard for me to
think about so I can't really make a good
decision. Right now, I do feel that it
would be up to the parent or spouce if
there was no prior instructions from a
living will or something.
My cousin was recently hurt in a car
accident and went into a coma for a few
days. His parents had to make the
horrific decision of weather or not to
pull the plug or not. It just about
killed them. He was only 21. They didn't
know what his wishes were....
....Therefore, I am here to say how
important it is to have a living will. My
dad gets on me all the time about doing
it, and my dh and I are in the process of
haveing one written. It allows your loved
ones to know EXACTLY what you want to
happen to you if you are ever in that
situation.
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dj12
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Posted: 08-11-07 07:43am
ive told everyone in my family that i want
the plug pulled after 2 months... but im
not sure if my mother will actually do
that if i was in that situation... i cant
imagine being in that position too..
he's right it is good to have living will.
but what if ur young and ur not really
expecting to die yet, u know?
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Posted: 08-13-07 07:33am
Well I think it's a good idea to at least
put that you want the plug to be pulled
after 2 months in your living will. It is
only supposed to be for what you would
want to do if you were living
artificially. But now that Im married and
have a house and cars, I would need to
include that in my living will as well.
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Posted: 10-14-07 19:42pm
I'd want to pull the plug after a few
months too. Wouldn't my muscles and body
start to fail from inactivity after a
certain amount of time? Whatever period
that is, that's when I'd want to pull it.
I would rather die satisfied knowing I did
what I could with life rather then a small
chance of waking up 15 years later knowing
that all I have known and done is but a
memory to many including myself. That I
have lost my prime chances to get what I
wished to do with life... and wake up too
late to do many of them, gah for me its
one of those cases where "better late then
never" doesn't apply. That's just me, I
know its selfish from a perspective, but I
can't always do things for other people.
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Posted: 10-14-07 19:43pm
Even if you do wake up, you're likely to
have such severe brain damage that you
can't process new information. Did you see
the special on the man who woke from a
coma after 15 years?
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True Story Posted: 11-26-07 12:44pm
Last Dec 06 I was in respiratory failure
and taken by 911. I was put in a medically
induced coma and put on the ventaltor for
10 day out of 16 in CCU. This one
afternoon my son and sister were there
during my GP's rounds. Just at that time I
dicided to pull the tube out.
I must have yelled very low for help and
the all came running in my room (I was
told), The doctor told my family that I
had end stage COPD and that I was going to
die anyway and that if it were him he
would not put me back on the vent and to
just let me go in peace. Well in seconds,
my family said " Get her back on it NOW!'
I have double pneumonia and was on three
different IV anti-biotics. If it were not
for my son and sister, I would not be here
now typing this. Doc basically wanted me
to die. He had no hope for me whatsoever,
where my family did........;-(
Carrie
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Posted: 11-26-07 18:55pm
Doctors do make mistakes, we must keep
that in mind when answering this but on a
whole
I dont think there is any wrong in letting
a person die if doctors feel there is
little hope and the person is on artifical
life support and the family are satisfied
and have come to the same conclusion. The
question have to be asked when the person
will continue to live so long as they have
love and care and able to survive by being
fed and given water, to me to starve
somneone who cant feed themselves or
deprive them of water just so they will
die is wrong, even if the person has asked
to die previously.
Euthenasia, is not so much about "pulling
the plug" but rather refusing to give life
saving operations/care for people who are
overweight or who are smokers, or disabled
or had prior medical conditions or
whatever other reason they happen to
object to.
Not Turning a machine off and keeping
someone alive that has little or no chance
of recovery is perhaps just as bad and
inhumane as kiiling someone.
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CarolDiane
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Posted: 11-26-07 19:29pm
That is what an "Advanced Derective" is
for. I wound up not being end stage at all
after seeing a pulmonogist. I am mild to
moderate COPD and not end stage at all. My
family did me a favor by keeping me alive
and lettin the pneumonia calm down. The
topic I posted under said " When sould
your family pull the plug, or soemthing
like that.
My family bascially saved my life, bottom
line. It was my GP what wanted to pull the
plug, not my family.
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Hi Posted: 02-22-08 20:32pm
If my family and friends knew I would not
have the quality of life I have now, they
BEST pull the plug. I do not wish to be on
a ventilator or be in some vegetative
state, where someone has to constantly
take care of me....hoping I will get back
to the old me. If it came down to having
to be fed,washed, toliet prep, clothed and
basically HOPE I would soon get back to
how I was, I'd rather htem pull the plug
than to have to endure what I have had to
go through wit my father, my stepmother
and grandparents. This is no way to live.
I will not become a burden to others. Life
is too short to have to take care of
someone in this state of being with only a
chance of getting back to a good quality
of life. It hurts deeply to see someone in
this state, yet, we put ourselves at the
mercy that hopefully thigns will turn out
as we hope. I agree with Eiri......what
type of life will you have once you do
wake up? Miracles do happen..........but
if it were me lying there.....I have it in
my living will to not keep me on any type
of artifical means of "staying alive". I
am a living miracle as I survived a
cerebral anuerysm 8 years ago....I was
never in a coma, yet doctors told my
family I could very well not survive
surgery......that was then I
decided.....if this happens.....don't try
to save me. Go on and live life....I will
alwasy be with you in spirit! Just my
opinion!
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Posted: 03-17-08 00:24am
After a routine surgery, my grandfather
just went downhill. He beat sepsis after
losing about 60lbs because of it. Was
doing great, but broke his hip, and got
sepsis again after being in the hospital.
Because he was so weak from the previous
infection, they had him chemically sedated
and on a ventilator. He was that way for
about a week, and after the sepsis spread
to pretty much everywhere, we as a family
decided there was no way he was going to
beat it a second time and let him go.
It's hard to do, but if there's no way
they are going to pull through, I think
it's better to let them go, instead of
grounded them here and staying in a
coma/sedated state for years.
It's harder, IMO, to see them hooked up to
a million machines and IVs and tubes
coming out and going in every orifice,
than letting them go. That way you know
they are out of pain.
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Posted: 03-20-08 04:30am
How often does this occur?
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Paul86
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Posted: 03-23-08 15:52pm
I have no idea, but does it really matter
when it comes to your loved one and their
life. I mean, think about it. If we pull
the plug, it's like playing god
(*wait*..."God" gave us this
technology.).
This is by no means a biblical view.
Rather, metaphorical - yes.
Come to think of it, it's much more
foolish playing the lottery. Though,
maybe less expensive, depending...