umm.. define "deadly force"..
like beating the person to the ground when the person has no defense? ABSOLUTELY NOT!

what ever *you* perceive deadly force to be. heres a scenario to help out....

A huge man grabs your 3 year old while holding up a store. He's using him/her for leverage as a hostage. He's threating to snap her neck if anyone messes around. The cops show up and he has NO weapon. But he's 6'5" and 300 lbs. with a small child in a head lock.
What, in your opinion, would be justifiable force to get the child free?

i have no idea...
i hate situations like these..bc its not fair to the child or the police, because they have to make quick decisions that could change someones life forever.
I say these men have been trained (or should have been) to deal with situations like these... i put my faith in them, to do what they think is the best thing possible at the moment...

Can you please relay that to most other Americans? It is really easy to say 'well, I would have.....' but until you are in that situation, it's impossible. I think you may be a little too level headed Marfa. You're fired!

If someone had my child and was threatening to kill her... regardless of their size, their lack of weapon, whether they truly intended to do it...

I would want them shot in the head.

Shall we sit around and wait for them to prove themselves? Put my child's life in danger by trying to spare his? Frack no.

And if it happened in my home, I wouldn't hesitate. He would hit the ground and I would then make sure he stayed down.

whats that supposed to mean?..
thats just my feelings on the subject..
of course whatever the cops do is not going to be good enough..
it never is..
if they act quickly so the guy would not snap the baby's neck and actually harm the baby the parents of that baby would be furious because they "acted too quickly" ...
but if they wait and make a plan and the guy actually does snap the baby's neck then the parents will be mad cuz they didn't act quick enough...

nothing in today's society is good enough for anyone..
no one can please anyone else, let alone please themselves...

I was actually giving you credit for putting thought into your response. I can't rile you up (which is why I fired you). I would like you to share your point of view with others so they can understand as well. Good job.

Aya- Right on!

lol
thats what i thought..
i just didn't want to say "thank you"
and then you be like... "well why?.. i didn't say anythng good.."
lol so i just make sure before i take credit..

so...
thank you!

you are welcome.

i agree 100% martha!
just like the "officer down" thread i posted, how people were video taping the cops speeding to get his family to the hospital because they didnt know how long the officer was going to live.

they would have wanted to get there as quickly as possible if it was someone in their family, or if that guy on the motorcycle had hit someone they knew they would have said "well why wasn't someone coming after him"

people truly piss me off.

a tranqilizer...or something
they need to come up with new weapons

they just got shock guns

I used to think that too. Have you ever seen a person not be effected by a tazor? It is quite scary. I saw a guy get hit and 'shocked' with a tazer (it had good contact), walk 20 feet down the road (wires still zapping him) and bend a post in half (one that holds a street sign). The guy never even acknowledged that we were there. It took 5 BIG guys and ALOT of clubs to the head to get this guy cuffed. Even then (bleeding profusely- trying to fight the ambulance drivers) he would not go peacefully. His crime?....

High speed chase in a stolen car and robbing a convenience store at gun point. He got his tires spiked, crashed into a house and still kept going. This was his 4th arrest for GTA and 2nd offense for evading police. What if your family was driving home from the movies and this clown ran a red light and wiped you all out? I say, kill him.

nah
thats why they need better force
better tazers
when theres a 350lb guy heck naw those tazers wont work! they need something a little more painful
they have injections that can put a human and an aniaml to sleep hin 4 seconds flat
so why not invent stuff like that (except not euthinasia) for cases like these?

Shooting him in the face. Sorry, I don't have much sympathy for criminals and people who threaten the lives of others. Hands can be considered deadly weapons.

yeah, but if the cops shoot him in the face or whatever and injure the child, what happens then?..
they can't just pull out their guns and start shooting..
that's not the right thing to do..

like I said the cops have been trained..and they know what to do and keep the child in their best intrest...

Now you're adding stipulations.

Original question, my answer is shoot him in the face. Anything that happens after that isn't part of the original query.

Aside from that, a man is far larger than a child, there are a lot of places to shoot him and I'm sorry, but people can't dodge bullets.

I would honestly sooner see my child with burns to his face or a broken bone from the fall than his NECK snapped, and dead.

i'm just saying that it can happen.. it's happened before
that's why i would NEVER judge a cop for the decisions he/she made
in that kind of situation anything can happen...
and yeah i would rather see my child with a few burns or a broken limb then a snapped neck..
but i also wouldn't want to see it with a bullet to its face b/c the cop aimed too quickly and missed...

You know what I think is really interesting? When some guy calls the cops and says he is going to kill himself. Then they surround his house with 20 police cars and end up shooting him.

I don't think they should shoot somebody who is unarmedif he doesn't have a weapon and nobody is in imminent danger. I don't really think they should shoot him if he has a three year old in a head lock either-what if they accidentally hit the three year old? I hate guns.