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Is It Ever Okay For the Police to Use Deadly Force If.....
Posted: 07-23-07 10:27am
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The criminal does not have a gun?
Meaning- is there ever a situation you
think the police should KILL a person who
is unarmed (could have a knife or a stick-
but NOT a gun).
You can make any scenario you want. I
can't wait to hear this..... 
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Posted: 07-23-07 10:31am
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umm.. define "deadly force"..
like beating the person to the ground when
the person has no defense? ABSOLUTELY NOT!
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blulyneguy
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Meaning
Posted: 07-23-07 10:35am
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what ever *you* perceive deadly force to
be. heres a scenario to help out....
A huge man grabs your 3 year old while
holding up a store. He's using him/her for
leverage as a hostage. He's threating to
snap her neck if anyone messes around. The
cops show up and he has NO weapon. But
he's 6'5" and 300 lbs. with a small child
in a head lock.
What, in your opinion, would be
justifiable force to get the child free?
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Marfa2107
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Posted: 07-23-07 10:41am
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i have no idea...
i hate situations like these..bc its not
fair to the child or the police, because
they have to make quick decisions that
could change someones life forever.
I say these men have been trained (or
should have been) to deal with situations
like these... i put my faith in them, to
do what they think is the best thing
possible at the moment...
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Posted: 07-23-07 11:13am
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| Marfa2107
wrote: | i have no idea...
i hate situations like these..bc its not
fair to the child or the police, because
they have to make quick decisions that
could change someones life forever.
I say these men have been trained (or
should have been) to deal with situations
like these... i put my faith in them, to
do what they think is the best thing
possible at the
moment... |
Can you please relay that to most other
Americans? It is really easy to say
'well, I would have.....' but until you
are in that situation, it's impossible. I
think you may be a little too level headed
Marfa. You're fired!
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Posted: 07-23-07 11:15am
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If someone had my child and was
threatening to kill her... regardless of
their size, their lack of weapon, whether
they truly intended to do it...
I would want them shot in the head.
Shall we sit around and wait for them to
prove themselves? Put my child's life in
danger by trying to spare his? Frack no.
And if it happened in my home, I wouldn't
hesitate. He would hit the ground and I
would then make sure he stayed
down.
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Posted: 07-23-07 11:15am
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whats that supposed to mean?..
thats just my feelings on the subject..
of course whatever the cops do is not
going to be good enough..
it never is..
if they act quickly so the guy would not
snap the baby's neck and actually harm the
baby the parents of that baby would be
furious because they "acted too quickly"
...
but if they wait and make a plan and the
guy actually does snap the baby's neck
then the parents will be mad cuz they
didn't act quick enough...
nothing in today's society is good enough
for anyone..
no one can please anyone else, let alone
please themselves...
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blulyneguy
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Marfa...
Posted: 07-23-07 11:20am
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I was actually giving you credit for
putting thought into your response. I
can't rile you up (which is why I fired
you). I would like you to share your point
of view with others so they can understand
as well. Good job.
Aya- Right on!
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Posted: 07-23-07 11:22am
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lol
thats what i thought..
i just didn't want to say "thank you"
and then you be like... "well why?.. i
didn't say anythng good.."
lol so i just make sure before i take
credit..
so...
thank you!
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Posted: 07-23-07 11:23am
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you are welcome.
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Posted: 07-23-07 11:59am
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| Marfa2107
wrote: | whats that supposed to
mean?..
thats just my feelings on the subject..
of course whatever the cops do is not
going to be good enough..
it never is..
if they act quickly so the guy would not
snap the baby's neck and actually harm the
baby the parents of that baby would be
furious because they "acted too quickly"
...
but if they wait and make a plan and the
guy actually does snap the baby's neck
then the parents will be mad cuz they
didn't act quick enough...
nothing in today's society is good enough
for anyone..
no one can please anyone else, let alone
please
themselves... |
i agree 100% martha!
just like the "officer down" thread i
posted, how people were video taping the
cops speeding to get his family to the
hospital because they didnt know how long
the officer was going to live.
they would have wanted to get there as
quickly as possible if it was someone in
their family, or if that guy on the
motorcycle had hit someone they knew they
would have said "well why wasn't someone
coming after him"
people truly piss me off.
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Posted: 07-23-07 12:05pm
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a tranqilizer...or something
they need to come up with new weapons
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Me Too
Posted: 07-23-07 12:33pm
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| the_girlfreind
wrote: | a tranqilizer...or
something
they need to come up with new
weapons |
I used to think that too. Have you ever
seen a person not be effected by a tazor?
It is quite scary. I saw a guy get hit and
'shocked' with a tazer (it had good
contact), walk 20 feet down the road
(wires still zapping him) and bend a post
in half (one that holds a street sign).
The guy never even acknowledged that we
were there. It took 5 BIG guys and ALOT of
clubs to the head to get this guy cuffed.
Even then (bleeding profusely- trying to
fight the ambulance drivers) he would not
go peacefully. His crime?....
High speed chase in a stolen car and
robbing a convenience store at gun point.
He got his tires spiked, crashed into a
house and still kept going. This was his
4th arrest for GTA and 2nd offense for
evading police. What if your family was
driving home from the movies and this
clown ran a red light and wiped you all
out? I say, kill him.
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Posted: 07-23-07 12:41pm
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nah
thats why they need better force
better tazers
when theres a 350lb guy heck naw those
tazers wont work! they need something a
little more painful
they have injections that can put a human
and an aniaml to sleep hin 4 seconds flat
so why not invent stuff like that (except
not euthinasia) for cases like these?
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Re: Meaning
Posted: 07-23-07 12:50pm
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| blulyneguy
wrote: | what ever *you* perceive
deadly force to be. heres a scenario to
help out....
A huge man grabs your 3 year old while
holding up a store. He's using him/her for
leverage as a hostage. He's threating to
snap her neck if anyone messes around. The
cops show up and he has NO weapon. But
he's 6'5" and 300 lbs. with a small child
in a head lock.
What, in your opinion, would be
justifiable force to get the child
free? |
Shooting him in the face. Sorry, I don't
have much sympathy for criminals and
people who threaten the lives of others.
Hands can be considered deadly weapons.
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Posted: 07-23-07 12:52pm
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yeah, but if the cops shoot him in the
face or whatever and injure the child,
what happens then?..
they can't just pull out their guns and
start shooting..
that's not the right thing to do..
like I said the cops have been
trained..and they know what to do and keep
the child in their best intrest...
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Posted: 07-23-07 12:57pm
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| Marfa2107
wrote: | yeah, but if the cops shoot
him in the face or whatever and injure the
child, what happens then?..
they can't just pull out their guns and
start shooting..
that's not the right thing to do..
like I said the cops have been
trained..and they know what to do and keep
the child in their best
intrest... |
Now you're adding stipulations.
Original question, my answer is shoot him
in the face. Anything that happens after
that isn't part of the original query.
Aside from that, a man is far larger than
a child, there are a lot of places to
shoot him and I'm sorry, but people can't
dodge bullets.
I would honestly sooner see my child with
burns to his face or a broken bone from
the fall than his NECK snapped, and dead.
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Posted: 07-23-07 12:59pm
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i'm just saying that it can happen.. it's
happened before
that's why i would NEVER judge a cop for
the decisions he/she made
in that kind of situation anything can
happen...
and yeah i would rather see my child with
a few burns or a broken limb then a
snapped neck..
but i also wouldn't want to see it with a
bullet to its face b/c the cop aimed too
quickly and missed...
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Posted: 07-23-07 13:04pm
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You know what I think is really
interesting? When some guy calls the cops
and says he is going to kill himself.
Then they surround his house with 20
police cars and end up shooting him.
I don't think they should shoot somebody
who is unarmedif he doesn't have a weapon
and nobody is in imminent danger. I don't
really think they should shoot him if he
has a three year old in a head lock
either-what if they accidentally hit the
three year old? I hate guns.
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