Do
ghosts/entities/whatever-existentialist-fo
rm-life-forces-take-after-they-pass-this-l
ife-exist?
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I believe so.
*Sung to the Brady Bunch tune*
Here's a story...'bout a girl and her
house. She was living in a two bedroom
home...she was at home, along with her
dogs...oh they were all alone.
(Doo doo doo)
Okay, I can't keep doing that, but it
would've been good. I want you to know
how very serious I am.
So, I came home and all my dogs (we had
five at the time) were around me. I was
on the computer. The bathroom is directly
above the living room, where my computer
is. There is a hallway behind me that
goes from upstairs to the basement. There
is one window in the bathroom, and it
looks out upon a concrete driveway with no
fire escape, no ledges, nothing. That's
important.
I got home, went wee wee. I noticed that
my thoughtful and kind boyfriend had put
the screen window in the bathroom. We
have a very old home, and the storm
windows and screens have to be
removed/replaced during the seasons. I
noticed our cat laying in the newly
venilhated window.
I came downstairs. Two hours pass,
without incident. No dogs barking, no odd
sounds, nothing.
Boyfriend comes home. He goes wee wee.
"Honey?" he asked. "Yes?" "Did you
change the window in the bathroom?" I
thought he was being facetious, like
'gimme a compliment here I changed the
window like you wanted'. I said, "Thank
you!!!" And he goes, "No, did you change
the window?" His voice was urgent.
I (and I tell you I get goosebumps just
recounting this story) ran upstairs, and
goddangitall, the frickin' storm window
was in that bathroom window.
(I just turned on the lights in my
house.)
He thought I was playing a practical joke.
Let me tell you, those storm windows are
huge and there's no way I would carry it
down from the attic and lift it in the
window just for a practical joke.
We just looked at each other for a
moment.
We searched the house.
I grabbed the nearest weapon-the vaccuum
attachments. Yeah, laugh.
And I'll be incredibly doggoned again,
that screen was in the basement.
*Birch shivers*
There is absolutely no logical
explanation. I have to assume it is
illogical. I have to assume some other
entity did it.
We've had other things happen in the
house, too, but nothing like this. Lights
have turned on and off, doors get
unlocked, heck, a lightbulb unscrewed
itself and shattered. But there is
something about the idea that behind me,
in that hallway between the upstairs and
basement, that screen had to go. And the
window had to get from the attic, where he
put it, to the bathroom. Eee....
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young Girl
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Posted: 07-22-07 20:25pm
i believe in the paranormal in general
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Dale123
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Posted: 07-22-07 20:27pm
I think that they do.. Thats a creepy
story
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Hollyberries
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Posted: 07-22-07 20:30pm
I'm a believer too. And that my friend is
very creepy
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Birch
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Posted: 07-22-07 20:32pm
You're telling me. Jesusfruckinchrrist.
So much for that "dogs have extrasensory
perception" theory!
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Posted: 07-22-07 20:32pm
Birch
wrote:
You're telling me.
Jesusfruckinchrrist. So much for that
"dogs have extrasensory perception"
theory!
they really do actually!!!!!!!!!
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AyaMiyaki
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Posted: 07-22-07 20:48pm
Birch
wrote:
I grabbed the nearest
weapon-the vaccuum attachments. Yeah,
laugh.
what
were you planning to do with them exactly?
Or had you not thought that out? (just
curious, really... I probably would have
lost my head entirely and grabbed a shoe)
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Hi Posted: 07-22-07 21:17pm
Whomever is in your home, its obvious is
not there to harm you. Otherwise,
something would have occured way before
now. As for the light bulbs unscrewing,
and light s being turned on and off, this
is "jokes" to them. As for hte window
being replaced with a storm windo w taken
from the attic or basement and
installed.....sound like a pretty good
handyman to me, and I'd love to keep them
around .....even if I can't see them! Too
many skeptical people who dare not believe
in ghost or afterlife or the
unexplained..............they are sure
missing out. I find it facinating and
would consider you a lucky girl to have
the presence of someone from a previous
life among you. Yes, the dogs can see them
and hear them. I don't give a rats ass
what people say about what I believe
in........my grandmother lived in a house
where the box fan kept getting put into
another room and turned on low........she
lived alone..............somone oe
something was taking hte fan and moving it
to the living room near my grandfathers
recliner on almost a daily basis....and
turning it on. So, yes I believe......my
grandmothers little dog will go off on
tangents as if he sees onsome and starts
barking and howling at it.....sometimes I
wonder if its my Grandfathers soul! I
think its AWESOME!
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Re: Hi Posted: 07-22-07 21:24pm
Fairy*Godmother
wrote:
Whomever is in your home,
its obvious is not there to harm you.
Otherwise, something would have occured
way before now. As for the light bulbs
unscrewing, and light s being turned on
and off, this is "jokes" to them. As for
hte window being replaced with a storm
windo w taken from the attic or basement
and installed.....sound like a pretty good
handyman to me, and I'd love to keep them
around .....even if I can't see them! Too
many skeptical people who dare not believe
in ghost or afterlife or the
unexplained..............they are sure
missing out. I find it facinating and
would consider you a lucky girl to have
the presence of someone from a previous
life among you. Yes, the dogs can see them
and hear them. I don't give a rats ass
what people say about what I believe
in........my grandmother lived in a house
where the box fan kept getting put into
another room and turned on low........she
lived alone..............somone oe
something was taking hte fan and moving it
to the living room near my grandfathers
recliner on almost a daily basis....and
turning it on. So, yes I believe......my
grandmothers little dog will go off on
tangents as if he sees onsome and starts
barking and howling at it.....sometimes I
wonder if its my Grandfathers soul! I
think its
AWESOME!
i agree!!!
we have a shadow that comes almost every
night
its a man in a base ball cap that sits at
our front door looking in
and the shadow falls on the upstairs wall
its pretty neat
the dogs never bark at him
hes not real
we have cameras outside of our house and
when it first started popping up we
thought someone was stalking us but when
we look at the cameras ther is no one
there?
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Posted: 07-23-07 00:18am
oi, this thread really scares me, i hate
death.
i remember right after my uncle died i was
sleeping in my bedroom and i had a dream
about him (it wasnt even a bad dream) and
i woke up in tears (terrified) and i was
laying there in the dark and i wanted to
get up and go into my moms room (how lame
does that sound?) because i didn't want to
be alone and be thinking about it and i
got up and opened my bedroom door and
could not go out into the hall way and i
covered myself with my blankets over my
head because i was afraid to look into the
hallway, i was afraid of what i'd see, i
couldn't even get back up to close the
door, i laid there crying my eyes out
until i heard my mom up in the morning
getting ready for work and turning lights
on in the hall and living room and i got
up and went in to her and cried some more
lol
that has nothing to do with ghosts i don't
think, but it was really scary. i think it
was just because he had just died, he died
in our bathroom (but was brought back) and
it was just a bad experience over all.
yuck, im sure mandi remembers, i texted
her at 3 in the morning while hiding under
my covers lol
i sound stupid.
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kaerbear
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Posted: 07-23-07 03:17am
i think having someone die in the home
would be traumatic for anyone. i get the
feeling the death wasn't totally natural
causes maybe?? even so, it's hard to have
it happen so close to you like that. i've
never had an actual supernatural
experience that i'm sure of. the closest
thing i can think of was when i was a
teenager, we went to a ceremony called a
shake tent. the odd thing was it was done
indoors, in a community hall, with the
windows blacked out and all the lights
off. that is not, from what i understand
since then, the normal way of doing this
ceremony. it's a traditional dakota
ceremony and it was being held for a sick
old lady. apparently the week before it
had been held there for a boy who had
committed suicide and there were some
really scary things that happened to
people during that ceremony.
anyway, the medicine man gets tied up and
put in a small tent. normally, this tent
would be outdoors and the poles would be
big logs driven deep into the ground.
that is what makes it remarkable when the
tent begins to shake violently from the
power of the spirits the shaman is calling
on. but the thing we went to you couldn't
see anything, it was pitch black and all
you could hear is the bells and rattles on
the tent shaking. there was the lady on
her stretcher bed and a drum group at one
end of the hall and i remember looking in
that direction and seeing what looked like
a lightning storm off in the distance. it
was really creepy. and when the medicine
man called all these spirits to come you
could hear someones footsteps running in
between you and the person next to you,
you could even feel the wind from it. ooh
i'm totally getting creeped just
remembering it. and the voices were
coming from everywhere. it would be far
off in the distance one second and right
in your ear the next. they were all
different voices and speaking different
languages. my sister and i were there and
we both have blond hair and blue eyes and
there was supposedly an eagle/trickster
spirit there that was the only one who
spoke english and it said, right near my
ear, that his two blond girlfriends were
"here tonight". it was the strangest
experience i've ever had in my life. if
they faked everything, my hat is off to
them because, holy, what a show. i can't
even say how long it lasted. my sister
feels exactly how i do about it. i can't
explain what we heard and felt unless it
was a reaaally elaborate scam. the thing
is no one was making any money off of it
and it was done on the reserve in their
bingo hall.
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Joined: 23 Jul 2007 Posts: 4
Posted: 07-23-07 03:28am
the vacuum cleaner is a good weapon choice
for ghosts
When my ghosts start playing around I just
yell at them, they get scared and go away.
I'm pretty scary guy myself
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Posted: 07-23-07 06:18am
I am undecided. I guess for me I'll
believe it when I see it.
Thing is I'm a bit sceptical of it all
because I'm a huge fan of Derren Brown.
He's like some sort of psychological
illusionist, and in his programs he
demonstrates how the mind can trick you
into believe that something is there etc,
like on one of his programs he makes a
girl see loads of monsters and creepy
things and she feels them touch her, but
in reality she is standing alone and he is
talking to her, making her see these
things. He also did a seance, and made
loads of people choose one dead girl from
a group of photos to 'contact' using ouija
board, ah it's just so good. Really scary
though. It turns out he has just
influenced them all to demonstrate how
mediums work, and it turns out that the
dead girl was actually an actress who was
alive and waiting to meet them all after
the show.
I went to see his live show in April, and
he made a table levitate. I dunno how he
did that.
So I dunno if I believe lol
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kaerbear
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Posted: 07-23-07 06:22am
ohhh. you know what i can't stand? those
people who claim to be able to contact
your loved ones on the "other side". like
the ones they always have on talk shows.
that scary looking woman, sylvia brown or
something like that. and they say things
like, "uh i'm getting the letter a....no,
b....c?....d, yeah d!!" and the person in
the audience starts balling and says "i
had a dog that died and it's name started
with D!!!!" LOL.
you know what i mean?? ugh so annoying.
they are taking advantage of people's
grief and need to believe. and they're so
vague and fake too.
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Lion79
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Posted: 07-23-07 06:25am
That's like what Derren does, but he does
it to demonstrate how fake it is and that
it can be done to anyone who is
susceptible enough. He basically just
feeds off the information they are already
giving him, but they don't notice they are
because they're so enthralled lol.
Maybe I do believe in spirits/ghosts,
although I have never seen one, but I
don't believe in mediums and psychics etc.
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Posted: 07-23-07 07:45am
AyaMiyaki
wrote:
Birch
wrote:
I grabbed the nearest
weapon-the vaccuum attachments. Yeah,
laugh.
what
were you planning to do with them exactly?
Or had you not thought that out? (just
curious, really... I probably would have
lost my head entirely and grabbed a
shoe)
Hahah who ya gonna call............ghost
busters
on a serious note yes i beleive in all
paranormal phenominons there has to be
something other than life
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Jules
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Posted: 07-23-07 08:54am
I don't believe ghosts are the spirits of
dead people, I believe they are caused by
energy left by human events in that place,
usually traumatic ones.
The reason I don't believe ghosts are dead
people's spirits is because I believe that
when you die, you have no memory of this
world or the people in it, even your loved
ones. I don't think anyone could 'rest in
peace' if they could see their loved ones
getting ill, having accidents etc. I
think you just forget, just like we have
no memory of before we were born and it is
only when you are reunited with your loved
ones after they die that you remember
again. That's my theory anyway
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Birch
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Posted: 07-23-07 09:08am
AyaMiyaki
wrote:
Birch
wrote:
I grabbed the nearest
weapon-the vaccuum attachments. Yeah,
laugh.
what
were you planning to do with them exactly?
Or had you not thought that out? (just
curious, really... I probably would have
lost my head entirely and grabbed a
shoe)
Okay, well, at that point I really thought
someone was in the house. Why they would
go out of their way to get the window from
the attic and put the screen in the
basement I hadn't worked out yet, but
safety first. And man, swung right, those
things could take out an eye! Right?
Lion79
wrote:
I am undecided. I guess for
me I'll believe it when I see it.
Thing is I'm a bit sceptical of it all
because I'm a huge fan of Derren Brown.
He's like some sort of psychological
illusionist, and in his programs he
demonstrates how the mind can trick you
into believe that something is there etc,
like on one of his programs he makes a
girl see loads of monsters and creepy
things and she feels them touch her, but
in reality she is standing alone and he is
talking to her, making her see these
things. He also did a seance, and made
loads of people choose one dead girl from
a group of photos to 'contact' using ouija
board, ah it's just so good. Really scary
though. It turns out he has just
influenced them all to demonstrate how
mediums work, and it turns out that the
dead girl was actually an actress who was
alive and waiting to meet them all after
the show.
I went to see his live show in April, and
he made a table levitate. I dunno how he
did that.
So I dunno if I believe
lol
Yeah, I'm as skeptical as they get about
this stuff, but this particular experience
was no mind trick. We still can't quite
get our heads around it. And a few days
later he changed the window out again.
Those psychics and all that crap...I'm
pretty sure their audiences are planted.
kaerbear
wrote:
that scary looking woman,
sylvia brown
In one of her books, she talks about fake
psychics...and says (to paraphrase) 'if
someone claims to be psychic and they
charge you for their services they are not
legit'. She says more about how she would
never use her gift for financial gain.
Except book deals and appearances, those
are okay apparently. I guess she asked
her "spirit guide" Francine if that was
alright.
Fairy*Godmother
wrote:
Whomever is in your home,
its obvious is not there to harm you.
Otherwise, something would have occured
way before now. As for the light bulbs
unscrewing, and light s being turned on
and off, this is "jokes" to them. As for
hte window being replaced with a storm
windo w taken from the attic or basement
and installed.....sound like a pretty good
handyman to me, and I'd love to keep them
around .....even if I can't see them! Too
many skeptical people who dare not believe
in ghost or afterlife or the
unexplained..............they are sure
missing out. I find it facinating and
would consider you a lucky girl to have
the presence of someone from a previous
life among you. Yes, the dogs can see them
and hear them. I don't give a rats ass
what people say about what I believe
in........my grandmother lived in a house
where the box fan kept getting put into
another room and turned on low........she
lived alone..............somone oe
something was taking hte fan and moving it
to the living room near my grandfathers
recliner on almost a daily basis....and
turning it on. So, yes I believe......my
grandmothers little dog will go off on
tangents as if he sees onsome and starts
barking and howling at it.....sometimes I
wonder if its my Grandfathers soul! I
think its
AWESOME!
Yes, I certainly don't get a feeling of
harm or concern. I was quite freaked out
for awhile, and I'm convinced there's
something in the attic, but I'm not really
worried.
We've "asked" our friend to do some useful
home maintainance, but nothing yet.
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Posted: 07-23-07 12:35pm
I have a couple of friends who dabble in
wicca/chistina-wicca.
One of our favorite things to do is flash
cards, color/shape guessing, and "energy
balls". I don't know if I believe any of
it, but it is entertaining.
We sometimes just think the color in our
head and have the other person guess. I'm
rather good at getting other people to
guess my color right, and I'm also
unusually good at guessing shapes on
cards. We're talking enough of a
percentage of success that statistically
it's not "luck". I'm also supposedly good
at making very "heavy" energy balls.
Once, we all sat around with our hands
pointed to the middle of a table and
thought cold thoughts, and tested it after
a few minutes. I must say it really did
feel cold, and I'm a non-believer lol.
So my friend Bill (one of the above
mentioned friends) had a neat altar in the
house we rented together. There was a
chalice on a shelf pushed up against the
wall, far away from the edges. One day, it
fell off the shelf and shattered... We
also once had water falling from the floor
beneath his altar (his room is on the
second floor) in the livingroom. It wasn't
raining, otherwise it would have made
sense, it's an old house. We heard the
water splash down from the ceiling and hit
the floor, so we looked at each other and
went "What the heck was that?" We went
over to investigate... no water. None
upstairs either... It literally sounded
like a bucket or large glass of water had
been dumped from the ceiling to the
floor.
I also swear I saw ball lightening once.
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Posted: 07-23-07 16:05pm
kaerbear
wrote:
i think having someone die
in the home would be traumatic for anyone.
i get the feeling the death wasn't
totally natural causes maybe?? even so,
it's hard to have it happen so close to
you like that. i've never had an actual
supernatural experience that i'm sure of.
the closest thing i can think of was when
i was a teenager, we went to a ceremony
called a shake tent. the odd thing was it
was done indoors, in a community hall,
with the windows blacked out and all the
lights off. that is not, from what i
understand since then, the normal way of
doing this ceremony. it's a traditional
dakota ceremony and it was being held for
a sick old lady. apparently the week
before it had been held there for a boy
who had committed suicide and there were
some really scary things that happened to
people during that ceremony.
anyway, the medicine man gets tied up and
put in a small tent. normally, this tent
would be outdoors and the poles would be
big logs driven deep into the ground.
that is what makes it remarkable when the
tent begins to shake violently from the
power of the spirits the shaman is calling
on. but the thing we went to you couldn't
see anything, it was pitch black and all
you could hear is the bells and rattles on
the tent shaking. there was the lady on
her stretcher bed and a drum group at one
end of the hall and i remember looking in
that direction and seeing what looked like
a lightning storm off in the distance. it
was really creepy. and when the medicine
man called all these spirits to come you
could hear someones footsteps running in
between you and the person next to you,
you could even feel the wind from it. ooh
i'm totally getting creeped just
remembering it. and the voices were
coming from everywhere. it would be far
off in the distance one second and right
in your ear the next. they were all
different voices and speaking different
languages. my sister and i were there and
we both have blond hair and blue eyes and
there was supposedly an eagle/trickster
spirit there that was the only one who
spoke english and it said, right near my
ear, that his two blond girlfriends were
"here tonight". it was the strangest
experience i've ever had in my life. if
they faked everything, my hat is off to
them because, holy, what a show. i can't
even say how long it lasted. my sister
feels exactly how i do about it. i can't
explain what we heard and felt unless it
was a reaaally elaborate scam. the thing
is no one was making any money off of it
and it was done on the reserve in their
bingo hall.
i hope you're asking this reguarding my
post, if not im going to feel stupid
he used to do drugs when he was younger so
he got hep c and had it for a long time,
and lived with us for 3 years, was abusive
and then died suddenly. we knew it was
going to happen but we didnt know when,
and then when it did happen it was really
frightening. i'd never been that close to
death before and wasn't ready for it (i
don't know if anybody actually is)
what
were you planning to do with them exactly?
Or had you not thought that out? (just
curious, really... I probably would have
lost my head entirely and grabbed a shoe)
