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The British goverment are trying at the moment to bring automatic organ donation into effect to me this is a very bad thing what are your veiws?
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replied July 20th, 2007
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I think it is a very good idea because it is predicted it will dramatically increase the amount of organs available to those who desperately need them. If someone has a religious or personal reason that they do not wish their organs to be donated then they can opt-out of the scheme and their wishes will be respected.

Why do you think it's a bad idea diamond? Perhaps there's something I have not considered? Confused
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Why is organ donation a bad thing? In my opinion- no matter what religion/faith you are, donating organs to save someones life is smiled upon by god. How would he be mad? Isn't the point to help others? You certainly arent going to use them again...
That's my 2 cents. Hell-I say take them anyways. You (we) will be dead and can't really stop it now can we....
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Hell-I say take them anyways. You (we) will be dead and can't really stop it now can we....


I think this is too far.

Do you think having sex with someone's corpse is acceptable? They're dead anyway so what does it matter?

It's about respecting the dead person.
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i think it's a beautiful idea, my friend who died saved 50 lives just with his veins. i would love to help someone if i wasn't alive.
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I can see why people would be bothered by it.

It's kind of like, once you die, the hospital just sort of helps themselves to your organs. Almost like they're not yours anymore. I know you can't use them, but isn't it kind of like the government taking your car because it's sitting in your driveway? That's a bad analogy, but I hope you see the connection.

I'm all for organ donation, though. I wish more people would volunteer to be donors. But mandatory organ donation? Mmmm, I don't know... Neutral
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I think it is a great idea
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I have been waffling on the whole organ donation issue for a long time. I keep changing my mind every time I get a new license and have to check the little box.

THE PROS:

Obviously, many lives could be saved by using my innerds. I certainly won't be taking them with me. It's a lasting gift to sick people. It is an inherrently good thing to do.

THE CONS:

I don't want my liver to go to someone who destroyed theirs through massive drinking, won't clean up, and is on medicaid and will cost the state more money to have it implanted, only to ruin it later with continued drinking. Not that I don't think they have a right to a liver regardless, but I have an issue with taxpayers having to pay for this.

It's kinda weird. I dunno, it would just feel weird for my family to know that my bits could one day be sitting next to them on a plane or something.

Are we possibly keeping too many people alive through so many artificial means? I don't have the answer to this question, but it seems like a good one to me. Why are we so set upon saving a life at all costs? Will this contribute to overpopulation? It's just something i think about sometimes.

Personally, I would be pretty hesitant to accept a donated organ. Something about having another person (dead) inside of my body until the point of my demise makes me feel weird. I am currently listed as a donor, so if you need a kidney, I am your girl. I am pretty sure i would accept a donated organ for one of my children. But for me, I am still on the fence. I just hope I never have to decide that.
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Sex with your body and taking your organs are not quite the same thing. I'm not saying disrespect the person, but if someone needs organs and you are dead- Take em. The car thing- I don't get it. It's not like if you die and you have $100 in your pocket that the cops (or whoever) gets to keep it. It goes to the family. Your body is the same. What exactly is your family going to do with your body? Bury it or creamate it? Then why the heck wouldn't you donate organs? Like I said, If your child or mother or father was dying and needed a liver, and the only match was from someone who died in a car accident but wasn't a donor- Don't you think it's the hospitals (or drs. or whoever) call to save the life of the person that is dying? The other guy/girl is dead. They aint comin back. NOT donating organs is selfish beyond selfish. Manditory?
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No, you misunderstand me. I understand perfectly well that the family isn't going to have any use for them, and that they'll most likely just bury them in the ground with the body or cremate them. But my point is, does that automatically make them public property?

I agree with the idea of it - lord knows we need more organs out there - but I don't know if the hospitals/government should be helping themselves to our bodies. Why does the fact that we're not going to need them anymore make sense for organs and not for cars?

I wish more people would volunteer their organs. I don't really like the idea of the government taking them by force. Neutral
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Aya-
I must say that you are level headed. I have put more thought into it (instead of knee jerk reaction) and must say that it should not be manditory. I do ,however, think that if you are not a donor, and you need an organ to save your life, that you should be denied. As for the gov't paying and people not changing habits, etc., etc. I think the family should pay the cost of the operation(s). If the person doesn't change their ways, and needs medical assistance down the road- then too bad.
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I agree, blue. It's weird how people refuse to donate blood or plasma, and don't put "organ donor" on their driver's licenses, but if something goes wrong they're the first ones putting their names on a transplant list.
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AyaMiyaki wrote:
I agree, blue. It's weird how people refuse to donate blood or plasma, and don't put "organ donor" on their driver's licenses, but if something goes wrong they're the first ones putting their names on a transplant list.


I hear ya. It really should have some bearing on your future medical care. If you're not willing to give (when you die- and you WILL) then why should you benefit from someone elses generosity? If you don't want to donate- it is your choice.

remember folks: You really can't take it with you!
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Jules wrote:
I think it is a very good idea because it is predicted it will dramatically increase the amount of organs available to those who desperately need them. If someone has a religious or personal reason that they do not wish their organs to be donated then they can opt-out of the scheme and their wishes will be respected.

Why do you think it's a bad idea diamond? Perhaps there's something I have not considered? Confused


I am against it because it was only in 2004 that the human tissues bill was amended to make it illegal to take organs without next of kins consent and less than 3 years later they are screwing the public over by stating the opposite to the amended bill.
A lot of familys have had a hard long fight to get this bill amended to stop the hosptals body snatching a lot of familys are still and always will be paying the price for the sake of the nhs saving a few quid
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The British goverment are trying at the moment to bring automatic organ donation into effect to me this is a very bad thing what are your veiws?


It's a dead body... the person has no need for those organs... I don't think it's a very bad thing at all. I think it will dramatically increase the survival rate of people on organ lists. I'm already a donor on my driver's license, so this law wouldn't make much of a difference to me. When my loved ones die, they don't need their organs either, so I have no issue with them being removed either.

Once the organs are removed, the body from the outside looks just the same. You can have a normal, open-casket funeral and everything. Plus, you've saved at least ten lives (50 even, as someone else said? I didn't know vein transplant was possible! That's incredible)!!
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blulyneguy wrote:
Why is organ donation a bad thing? In my opinion- no matter what religion/faith you are, donating organs to save someones life is smiled upon by god. How would he be mad? Isn't the point to help others? You certainly arent going to use them again...
That's my 2 cents. Hell-I say take them anyways. You (we) will be dead and can't really stop it now can we....



Yes we can stop it what do you think the amendment to the human tissues bill was all about i wonder if you would say take them anyways if your son/daughter were to die and you ended up with no body to bury no grave to visit and the knowledge that your child had been cut up and distibuted between medical teaching schools and there was nothing you could do about it.
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blulyneguy wrote:
Hell-I say take them anyways. You (we) will be dead and can't really stop it now can we....


I think this is too far.

Do you think having sex with someone's corpse is acceptable? They're dead anyway so what does it matter?

It's about respecting the dead person.


Respecting the person they were and respecting their rotting corpse are two different things in my book...
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diamond splinter wrote:
The British goverment are trying at the moment to bring automatic organ donation into effect to me this is a very bad thing what are your veiws?


It's a dead body... the person has no need for those organs... I don't think it's a very bad thing at all. I think it will dramatically increase the survival rate of people on organ lists. I'm already a donor on my driver's license, so this law wouldn't make much of a difference to me. When my loved ones die, they don't need their organs either, so I have no issue with them being removed either.

Once the organs are removed, the body from the outside looks just the same. You can have a normal, open-casket funeral and everything. Plus, you've saved up to ten lives!!



Donation yes retention no

for anyone intrested the amended human tissue bill is in the link bellow
http://www.parliament.the-stationery-offic e.co.uk/pa/cm200304/cmbills/009/04009.i-v. htm
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diamond splinter wrote:
blulyneguy wrote:
Why is organ donation a bad thing? In my opinion- no matter what religion/faith you are, donating organs to save someones life is smiled upon by god. How would he be mad? Isn't the point to help others? You certainly arent going to use them again...
That's my 2 cents. Hell-I say take them anyways. You (we) will be dead and can't really stop it now can we....



Yes we can stop it what do you think the amendment to the human tissues bill was all about i wonder if you would say take them anyways if your son/daughter were to die and you ended up with no body to bury no grave to visit and the knowledge that your child had been cut up and distibuted between medical teaching schools and there was nothing you could do about it.


Organ donation does not end up with a completely missing body; I hope you know that...

And if my (theoretical) son was "cut up and distributed" I would be intensely proud that even in death, he was contributing more to the world than some people on welfare do when they are alive.

I wouldn't want to do anything about it. I would in fact demand that it be done!
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if it is a heart they have to take it while you are still alive and that to me could be considered killing someone.
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