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July 23rd, 2007
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nightangel73 wrote:
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You do realize that we're not listening to you anymore? You're boring, you don't know the real facts about anything, and all you ever talk about is your own religion or issues directly linked to it - mostly abortion.

Heck, even on a topic that had NOTHING to do with abortion, you brought it up! For what reason? None!


Thats forsure.. I totally agree.. I get kinda annoyed with the posts left by guest


well i am listening to him and I find his posts a lot more interesting than reading fools saying that people like osama bin laden do war because of the religion hahaha


See I think I am confused there too, because didn't the muslims keep praying to there God. Didn't they think that they were doing something good. IE a part of there religion? I don't know. Perhaps someone other than you can explain it to me.
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Nightangel and Guest are quite ignorant of the facts. Children all over the Middle East are learning to hate America and everything it stands for from a very young age. RELIGIOUS leaders and television programs portray our icons of freedom such as the Statue of Liberty as a lady of satan with fire burning in the background and horns sprouting from her head.

These children are taught these things in relation to religion. I am not saying that all Muslims in America or even in the Middle East or intrensically evil because of their beliefs but it can not be ignored that the reason those terrorists did what they did on 9/11 was based on the religious beliefs and ideals.


And Guest, are you telling me you have never heard of the inquisitions, in which the governments of many countries who converted to Catholicism for the mere power of the Church used said power to rid their country of so called heretics and non-believers who would threaten their rulling power?
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Nightangel and Guest are quite ignorant of the facts. Children all over the Middle East are learning to hate America and everything it stands for from a very young age. RELIGIOUS leaders and television programs portray our icons of freedom such as the Statue of Liberty as a lady of satan with fire burning in the background and horns sprouting from her head.

These children are taught these things in relation to religion. I am not saying that all Muslims in America or even in the Middle East or intrensically evil because of their beliefs but it can not be ignored that the reason those terrorists did what they did on 9/11 was based on the religious beliefs and ideals.


There are legitimate reasons to hate the US and what it stands for.

The US is not some extra special god blessed nation, particularily over all others.

However, there are extremist cases everywhere - just like the US, where children are taught to hate others all the time.

It is all a matter of perspective.
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iridescent_opal wrote:
Nightangel and Guest are quite ignorant of the facts. Children all over the Middle East are learning to hate America and everything it stands for from a very young age. RELIGIOUS leaders and television programs portray our icons of freedom such as the Statue of Liberty as a lady of satan with fire burning in the background and horns sprouting from her head.

These children are taught these things in relation to religion. I am not saying that all Muslims in America or even in the Middle East or intrensically evil because of their beliefs but it can not be ignored that the reason those terrorists did what they did on 9/11 was based on the religious beliefs and ideals.


And Guest, are you telling me you have never heard of the inquisitions, in which the governments of many countries who converted to Catholicism for the mere power of the Church used said power to rid their country of so called heretics and non-believers who would threaten their rulling power?


Thank you for clearing that up for me. When it happened I bought all of the news papers for three weeks after and I cut them out. I made a HUGE scrap book, because it was such a big deal. I watched all of the movies too. I thought thats what it was about religion and such. It's kinda scary though that people will actually believe in that, but hey maybe they think were scary too for the things that we believe in.

You know because of them (guest and nightangel) It kinda gives me a fear of god because they're soo scary I don't want tobe like that!
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I am not saying the US is perfect. We are very far from it and many of the things we are doing in the Middle East and else were are completely against my personal morals and beliefs. I am saying that because of their religious views they are teaching their small children to want to kill and maim others. Yes, their belief system is quite different from mine but when I see a 4 year old child emphatically preaching about the need to eradicate an entire nation in such a hateful way I can not help but feel a deep sense of sadness at the way the world is going.

I do wish that our government would take some time to try and fix the country we are currently living in instead of intruding in the affairs of countries around the world in matters that we can not ever be able to fix. We can never understand the underlying moral system that has helped to create the current issues.
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iridescent_opal wrote:
I am not saying the US is perfect. We are very far from it and many of the things we are doing in the Middle East and else were are completely against my personal morals and beliefs. I am saying that because of their religious views they are teaching their small children to want to kill and maim others. Yes, their belief system is quite different from mine but when I see a 4 year old child emphatically preaching about the need to eradicate an entire nation in such a hateful way I can not help but feel a deep sense of sadness at the way the world is going.

I do wish that our government would take some time to try and fix the country we are currently living in instead of intruding in the affairs of countries around the world in matters that we can not ever be able to fix. We can never understand the underlying moral system that has helped to create the current issues.


I agree!
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Birch wrote:
iridescent_opal wrote:
Nightangel and Guest are quite ignorant of the facts. Children all over the Middle East are learning to hate America and everything it stands for from a very young age. RELIGIOUS leaders and television programs portray our icons of freedom such as the Statue of Liberty as a lady of satan with fire burning in the background and horns sprouting from her head.

These children are taught these things in relation to religion. I am not saying that all Muslims in America or even in the Middle East or intrensically evil because of their beliefs but it can not be ignored that the reason those terrorists did what they did on 9/11 was based on the religious beliefs and ideals.


There are legitimate reasons to hate the US and what it stands for. I agree with that to I suppose that there can be hate everywhere I guess its just what we seen with 9/11 it could be more extreme there. However, I am sure that it happens everywhere.. I suppose when its turned into a religion its super creepy!

The US is not some extra special god blessed nation, particularily over all others.

However, there are extremist cases everywhere - just like the US, where children are taught to hate others all the time.

It is all a matter of perspective.
Opps.. It didn't work check below (SORRY Embarassed
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Birch wrote:
iridescent_opal wrote:
Nightangel and Guest are quite ignorant of the facts. Children all over the Middle East are learning to hate America and everything it stands for from a very young age. RELIGIOUS leaders and television programs portray our icons of freedom such as the Statue of Liberty as a lady of satan with fire burning in the background and horns sprouting from her head.

These children are taught these things in relation to religion. I am not saying that all Muslims in America or even in the Middle East or intrensically evil because of their beliefs but it can not be ignored that the reason those terrorists did what they did on 9/11 was based on the religious beliefs and ideals.


There are legitimate reasons to hate the US and what it stands for.

The US is not some extra special god blessed nation, particularily over all others.

However, there are extremist cases everywhere - just like the US, where children are taught to hate others all the time.

It is all a matter of perspective.


I guess its because the whole 9/11 case that brings it more into perspective. Like to have a religion where people actually think that it's good to kill. However, you're right it does happen everywhere!
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Birch wrote:
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Who attacked the US?


Muslim extremists, speaking in the name of their god (which is the christian got and the jewish one too) and trying to cleanse the world of infidels.

Or did you like... forget about 9/11?


No, actually, 9/11 is exactly what I had in mind.


Then why ask? Just to check? XD I'm not sure I understand, but I don't want to be patronized for that lack of understanding.
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Eiri wrote:
Birch wrote:
Eiri wrote:
Birch wrote:


Who attacked the US?


Muslim extremists, speaking in the name of their god (which is the christian got and the jewish one too) and trying to cleanse the world of infidels.

Or did you like... forget about 9/11?


No, actually, 9/11 is exactly what I had in mind.


Then why ask? Just to check? XD I'm not sure I understand, but I don't want to be patronized for that lack of understanding.


I am not like... patronizing. There is no need to be like... defensive. Wink

I meant it to bring up who did what/where/why in regards to 9/11, which it did. Very Happy
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replied July 23rd, 2007
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No! I wasn't trying to be defensive, I just thought I sensed something looming over the horizon lol
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replied July 24th, 2007
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No! I wasn't trying to be defensive, I just thought I sensed something looming over the horizon lol


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replied July 24th, 2007
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Dale123 wrote:
Birch wrote:
iridescent_opal wrote:
Nightangel and Guest are quite ignorant of the facts. Children all over the Middle East are learning to hate America and everything it stands for from a very young age. RELIGIOUS leaders and television programs portray our icons of freedom such as the Statue of Liberty as a lady of satan with fire burning in the background and horns sprouting from her head.

These children are taught these things in relation to religion. I am not saying that all Muslims in America or even in the Middle East or intrensically evil because of their beliefs but it can not be ignored that the reason those terrorists did what they did on 9/11 was based on the religious beliefs and ideals.


There are legitimate reasons to hate the US and what it stands for.

The US is not some extra special god blessed nation, particularily over all others.

However, there are extremist cases everywhere - just like the US, where children are taught to hate others all the time.

It is all a matter of perspective.


I guess its because the whole 9/11 case that brings it more into perspective. Like to have a religion where people actually think that it's good to kill. However, you're right it does happen everywhere!


If osama bin laden is about killing for religion why doesn't he bomb first the vatican?? I would start there if what he wants to exterminate is chirstianity. It would have definetly made an statement that it's about religion. But instead he bombes the world trade center, the $$ icon of america, one that has absolutetly nothing to do with religion. If there was one thing worshiped in world trade center it was money.
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replied July 24th, 2007
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Religion is the scapegoat - it's all about power.
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nightangel73 wrote:
Dale123 wrote:
Birch wrote:
iridescent_opal wrote:
Nightangel and Guest are quite ignorant of the facts. Children all over the Middle East are learning to hate America and everything it stands for from a very young age. RELIGIOUS leaders and television programs portray our icons of freedom such as the Statue of Liberty as a lady of satan with fire burning in the background and horns sprouting from her head.

These children are taught these things in relation to religion. I am not saying that all Muslims in America or even in the Middle East or intrensically evil because of their beliefs but it can not be ignored that the reason those terrorists did what they did on 9/11 was based on the religious beliefs and ideals.


There are legitimate reasons to hate the US and what it stands for.

The US is not some extra special god blessed nation, particularily over all others.

However, there are extremist cases everywhere - just like the US, where children are taught to hate others all the time.

It is all a matter of perspective.


I guess its because the whole 9/11 case that brings it more into perspective. Like to have a religion where people actually think that it's good to kill. However, you're right it does happen everywhere!


If osama bin laden is about killing for religion why doesn't he bomb first the vatican?? I would start there if what he wants to exterminate is chirstianity. It would have definetly made an statement that it's about religion. But instead he bombes the world trade center, the $$ icon of america, one that has absolutetly nothing to do with religion. If there was one thing worshiped in world trade center it was money.


B/c the Americans are the infidel unbelievers. "jihad".
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replied July 24th, 2007
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And if these terrorsts are so against our government why are they attacking the public instead of world leaders?
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replied July 24th, 2007
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And if these terrorsts are so against our government why are they attacking the public instead of world leaders?


Because terrorizing populations works a lot better and causes more frenzy than killing one leader.

Why do you think when America attacked back they didn't just assassinate the evil leaders? They bombed the heck out of the cities.... where people live.
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If I wanted to put an end to a russian occupation of France (hypothetical) I wouldnt kill many unkown Ruskies all who have no power... I would target Pres Putin making all the authorites known none of them are safe unless they leave france. Its easy to say we dont work with terrorists when your not the one with a gun at your face!
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Gu£st wrote:
If I wanted to put an end to a russian occupation of France (hypothetical) I wouldnt kill many unkown Ruskies all who have no power... I would target Pres Putin making all the authorites known none of them are safe unless they leave france. Its easy to say we dont work with terrorists when your not the one with a gun at your face!


You wouldn't target civilians... but that's not how other people work. I'm not saying it's right by any means. I'd prefer the assassination of the evil leaders too. But to deny what has actually happened is blasphemous.
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replied July 24th, 2007
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"to deny what has actually happened is blasphemous."

I dont deny that America was attacked, I just question by whom and for what reason, sorry eiri but for someone who keeps telling me how pathetic I am for believing in Christianity I cant help but feel your the one who is being brainwashed and lied to and made to feel like a "bad person" or a unpatriotic blasphemer for questioning the war on terror.
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