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aochriss

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Posted: 05-15-08 21:00pm


I agree with all of that.

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Posted: 07-02-08 03:36am


It's funny. If a woman wants an abortion, the pro-lifers are all, "OMG u need to face the consequences u murdaraaa!!" So the woman faces the "consequences," and she decides to keep the baby instead of putting it up for adoption, but she has little income. So, she'll have to apply for welfare. Then it's, "OMG stop leeching off my hard earned paycheck!!!" They won't be happy either way, will they? No, they don't give a cigarette's butt what happens to that kid if THEIR money is involved. Apparently they expect the lawyer-and-doctor couple to take the baby in instead if its biological mom.

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Re: To Prolifers: If you got your way and PP vanished...
Posted: 07-02-08 06:46am

Darkmoon wrote:

...would you foot the bill for the women that needed those clinics to get essential checkups, prenatal care and mammograms? If you were to succeed in closing down the clinics that save female lives every day by providing services that they otherwise would not be able to get due to cost, will YOU be paying for their pap tests, mammograms, cervical examinations and prenatal care? Because believe it or not, there is more to a woman than popping out babies and every woman regardless of reproductive status needs checkups each year.

I know a lot of prolifers hide behind the "save the babies" smokescreen to disguise what's truly just a hatred or disdain for the female gender, otherwise they wouldn't try so hard to restrict women from getting protection from cervical cancer and they wouldn't be against women preventing pregnancy in the first place. Others claim to be for pregnancy and cancer prevention, so I'm curious if they'd be willing to take Planned Parenthood's place and provide affordable feminine care and std treatment for women everywhere.

If you are not willing to do this out of your own pockets than you are admitting that your goal is to harm women, not to save "babies". You're willing to martyr thousands of women to feminine cancers and disorders so that you can close down the clinics that help them because of ONE service they may or may not provide. Should you succeed, someone is still going to have to provide these other essential and life saving services to women. Something tells me it won't be you. Mad

I don't want PP to be vanished. Just to stop performing abortions but everything else is fine. I think it is great they provide affordable birth control and care. I believe thought that birth control medications should be free of charge completetly for everybody.

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Re: To Prolifers: If you got your way and PP vanished...
Posted: 07-02-08 07:47am

nightangel73 wrote:

I believe thought that birth control medications should be free of charge completetly for everybody.

Agreed! They are free here, they should be in every country too yes

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Posted: 07-02-08 07:57am


Totally agree nightangel! Avoid the unwanted pregnancies is what I think. Moo that is right on it should be free everywhere! That's awesome you are able to have that where you live!

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Posted: 07-02-08 15:56pm


I got free birth control from planned parenthood, they helped with my pregnancy, and the birth, they helped with my overwhelming fears and post partum depression, if I didnt have the anonymous help I did I would ahave been f'k'ed. I really think PP affect as more, they are there for everything and offer their support in everything!!

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Posted: 07-02-08 17:22pm


PP has many valuable services it offers, including abortion services, and I would not want them silenced at the whim of people who wouldn't use the service anyway.

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Posted: 07-02-08 22:10pm

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PP has many valuable services it offers, including abortion services, and I would not want them silenced at the whim of people who wouldn't use the service anyway.

Yes but according to some pro-life people, they consider planned parenthood to be the abortion machine, which infuriates me. They are there to support people in life, in pregnancy and after as well.

Pro-life support till birth and then say screw you...............

I go to a pro-life birth centre and they didnt give a caca that I suffere post partum depression, considering I couldnt figure out why I was down.

Im just really thankful for Planned parenthood!!!

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Posted: 07-04-08 13:35pm

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Yes but according to some pro-life people, they consider planned parenthood to be the abortion machine, which infuriates me. They are there to support people in life, in pregnancy and after as well.

That's because they refuse to acknowledge the truth: Only three to four percent of the patients showing up at Planned Parenthood are there to have an abortion. The rest are seeking one of the numerous other services that PP provides.

Of course, there's also the religious nutcases that think EVERYTHING Planned Parenthood does is wrong. They're the ones that consider a woman dying of cervical cancer for lack of a pap smear to be a good outcome, because that dirty ho just should have kept her legs shut.

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Posted: 07-04-08 20:41pm

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what do pro-choice people to?

Pro-choice people believe in letting each woman make her own decision on what to do about the pregnancy based on her own personal situation. We don't tell women they *must* give birth or they should give birth when they feel they are not equipped (financially, mentally, emotionally, physically) to deal with a child at that time in their lives.

Edited to include the post I was replying to as I mistakenly believed that was the last post in the thread.

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Posted: 07-27-08 20:54pm

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You know, there are plenty of children available for adoption. But most of the infertile women and couples don't want THOSE children. They want a child who meets their standards regarding health, race, and age.

I totally agree. They want a newborn-and a healthy one at that. Forget the 2 day old twins with fetal alcohol syndrome. Forget the little 5 year old boy still waiting to be adopted, the little boy with cerebal palsy. Forget the 10 year old girl still in the system because no one wants to help her cope with her past history of sexual abuse. NO! We want a child that is brand-new, problem-free. A little person we can conform to our likeness. I'm not saying that every family out there is like that, but come on. More often than not, the cute little kittens are adopted before the old cat with three legs. Same with children. I am one of the sorta lucky ones. I got adopted at 5 years old, but that was 20 years ago, when problems like we have in our society today were just only beginning.

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Posted: 08-06-08 15:41pm

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what do pro-choice people to?

pro choice people prefer goumet restaurants to family restauraunts which caring for the children they are responsible for bringing into this world might hinder. so they kill their children with abortions. making pro choice people nothing more than glorified cannibals.

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Posted: 08-06-08 15:54pm


Hmm, I'm pro choice and I go to family restaurants. Your assumption is therefor false. Cannibals eat each other. I don't think anyone is eating a gourmet dinner at Planned Parenthood.

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Posted: 08-07-08 01:45am

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Hmm, I'm pro choice and I go to family restaurants. Your assumption is therefor false.

Cannibals eat each other. I don't think anyone is eating a gourmet dinner at Planned Parenthood.

if financial burden is a common pro choice excuse for killing babies. how could abortion not cause monetary gain for the people that kill their children with abortions? and doesn't some of the money gained from the deaths of the aborted go towards the purchase of food. perhaps you are not eating the actual flesh of the people that you kill with abortions. but the money you gain from their deaths does according to you increase your personal budget some of which is used for food. and isn't that tatamount to cannabalism?

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Posted: 08-07-08 04:40am

Few wrote:

Ingi wrote:

Hmm, I'm pro choice and I go to family restaurants. Your assumption is therefor false.

Cannibals eat each other. I don't think anyone is eating a gourmet dinner at Planned Parenthood.

Dearie if you think we are GAINING money you are so so wrong. No, we are actually either LOSING it or breaking even. Example: A woman with a strict $1000 a month paycheck finds out she is pregnant. Can't afford a baby. Couldn't bear hearing a heartbeat, seeing an ultrasound, and having to give said baby up for adoption. Or maybe said woman has a life-threatening heart condition and has been warned against further strain on her heart. Goes in for abortion. Abortion costs $500 out of her pocket (just a figure). Then when all is said and done, her leftover paycheck for the month is $500. Or maybe the abortion is free...so her leftover paycheck is $1000. We don't gain any money by having an abortion.

Now how about prolifers? Ok, they expect a woman who cannot financially afford a baby to go ahead and have that baby. That woman puts the baby up for adoption. Said baby gets adopted. Dies from Shaken Baby Syndrome (it does happen). Who is the cannibal now? OR said baby becomes another sad statistic in the system, waiting for a home. Doesn't get placed up for adoption til the age of 13. Sick of feeling not wanted, the now 13 yo baby, commits suicide. I mean, where does it end?

What I disagree with most about prolifers is their "here and now" attitude. Do they ever look at what the future might actually hold for some children? Its like that prolifer the other day who said to my sister (who was having an abortion due to her fetus being acardic...no heart formed), "You should be ashamed of yourself, killing a helpless baby. All babies, even those with birth defects, deserve a chance at living." That sickens me. So they are basically saying, "Have the baby. Let it live a miserable 1 minute, slowly dying because no heart ever formed. Let it suffocate to death. Let the mother see this." Or what about this scenerio: A 14 year old girl gets pregnant. Could have had an abortion but the prolifers outside the clinic call her a murderer. Decides to keep the baby. Baby is colicky, won't stop crying. The young mother is unable to cope. Shakes the baby. Baby dies. So in the end, she is still a murderer. The list goes on and on. Prolifers are so focused on the here and now that they forget that a life hangs in the balance. How ironic. No, they want all babies to be born. Hey lets go ahead and overpopulate. Oh wait, we already are overpopulated. But lets just add to the burden. Forget the older kids waiting to be adopted. Let's just get these babies out here. Let the babies be adopted. They deserve a fairer chance than the 5 year-olds, 10 year-olds and whatnot. So who's blood is on who's hands? We share it equally dear. We both "cannibalize"

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Posted: 08-07-08 04:41am

Few wrote:

What?? lol
No-one eats an aborted embryo/fetus so how do you figure?

And not all pro-choice women will have abortions...

And many pro-choice women have children

Few wrote:

No babies are killed during abortion (learn the difference between an embryo/fetus/baby) but I get the feeling you'llinsist on calling z/e/f's babies no matter what so ok
And if you abort because you're not financially stable you're not increasing your budget by aborting, you're allowing your budget to remain the same.

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and isn't that tatamount to cannabalism?

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Posted: 08-07-08 13:10pm

Few wrote:

First, lets define cannibalism, because you are using the term wrong.

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Cannibalism
The term cannibalism means the eating of human flesh by human beings, and/or eating of animals by members of their own species.

So cannibalism means humans eating other humans or other animals eating their own kind.

Nowhere, ever has anyone ever claimed that abortion clinics are buffets of zygotes for human consumption. The cannibalism theory is then false. Paying for an abortion and having the workers at the abortion clinic then buy food to feed their families with that money is NOT tantamount to cannibalism.

According to WHO is any budget increased? No one who gets an abortion gets a financial windfall.

I think you need to do a little more research.

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Posted: 08-07-08 14:56pm


And really, there isn't much meat on your average aborted fetus -- it would be like those pates made from swallows' tongues -- you'd need hundreds for a decent dinner party appetiser. Even Jonathan Swift, in A Modest Proposal, was basing his essay on the use of actually born children.

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Posted: 08-07-08 15:37pm

motherofhighspiritedones wrote:

Few wrote:

Ingi wrote:

Hmm, I'm pro choice and I go to family restaurants. Your assumption is therefor false.

Cannibals eat each other. I don't think anyone is eating a gourmet dinner at Planned Parenthood.

humans can live more than 100 years and you want us to believe that a one month paycheck is all that should determine wether a person lives or dies? 5 billion humans are alive on this planet more than all that preceded us. the only thing preventing humans from living a decent lifestyle is the society they are members of. and your solution is not to improve society your solution is to kill new members of society. and how does killing the newest members of society improve that society? it doesn't at best abortion merely stagnates the ills of society. but what abortion actually does is add another ill to society. that being the senseless slaughter of innocent defenseless humans.

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Posted: 08-07-08 16:27pm


Aha but you still refuse to answer my questions....typical. What about all the other children you are killing by forcing women to go ahead and deliver? What about your fellow prolifers that believe EVERY baby, no matter how deformed, deserves a chance at life? What about your fellow prolifers that insist that no matter how ill a woman is, how threatened her life is by her pregnancy, the fetus's life is TANTAMOUNT? Why do you prolifers force us to answer your questions, yet you cannot answer ours? No prochoicer would say that you HAVE to abort, but prolifers say that you HAVE to carry the child. All prochoice is about is the option to decide for yourself what you want and what would be best for your future, and that undetermined future of an unborn human. And most prochoicers do NOT encourage abortion. They often encourage adoption or other means. At least prochoice supports both woman and fetal rights. Never have I heard a prolifer say, "If you CHOOSE to have this baby, these are your options". Because: 1. To prolifers, there is no choice, and 2. After the baby is born, the prolifers have done their jobs...they prevented an abortion, and all is done and over with.