To Prolifers: If you got your way and PP vanished...

No. They wouldn't.

Prolife advocates generally (yes, I am generalizing) hold conservative ideals. These same individuals at the polls vote against taxes that would help the disenfranchised because they worship the almighty dollar in reality, and in a facade they claim "Love them both".

*clears throat*

what is it with choicers and making accusations with NO BASIS? Every year, churches around the city in my state have Christmas trees with things women need and their babies need. People take a tag and bring in the item. they go to pregnancy centers. we have also donated to places where they DO pay for women to have free pregnancy tests and screenings and all that jazz. i think many pregnancy centers do that. when we donate in pro life month, that's what the money goes to.

Whoa, you have a whole MONTH to help the women who have children born 365 days a year. Way to go! How much have you donated?

Nope, but I'm not telling every women I see to go up and have all the children she accidentally conceives.

Actually, since I'm all for women choosing not to have children if they're not ready/capable, I don't see how that even applies. If pro-lifers got their way, we'd not only be suffering from over-population, we'd also be suffering from millions of women without adequate means to support another life. We'd like to know where we're supposed to get these means. Cause you know, sure, I'd have a kid if someone gave me the hundreds of thousands of dollars they cost.

Lol. I don't know your stance on welfare, but to some people, it does seem as if they take that route.

I just think it's pointless to accuse people of "not helping" when we all know that to completely help is impossible. I can't adopt all of the puppies at the pound no matter how much I want to; however I can adopt one, and refuse to buy purebreds. Just the same, a pro-lifer can't possibly help every single mother in her city; but she can donate during a season of giving.

You do not want to hear about my stance of welfare

I lived in a very dirty neighborhood filled with teenager mothers who had as many children as possible so as to obtain as much welfare as possible. By accusing her, I didn't mean her specifically (even though I'm fairly sure she's not done anything) but reinforcing what Darkmoon said. If every pregnant woman was forced to gestate, we'd have innumerable problems on our hand. They'd have innumerable debts to pay and with the current chance a pregnant teen has already, we'd be in a situation where it'd be impossible to deal with the problems. A pro-choicer not only understands this but understands that abortion is cheaper and hopefully the smarter route for someone who has no chance of taking care of another life. But supporting a womens choice for abortion, we're not causing any extra cost. However, by forcing a woman to give birth, we're forcing her to deal with many additional costs, not just the one time abortion fee.

Not just pregnant women. Pay attention, prolifers. WHAT WILL YOU TO DO ENSURE THAT ALL WOMEN GET THE HEALTHCARE THAT YOU'VE DENIED THEM BY TAKING DOWN PP? How hard is that question to comprehend?

Again, you're ONLY focusing on the fetus and ignoring the WOMAN. Women- regardless of whether they are prenatal, pregnant or postnatal-require feminine health care and checkups to prevent cancer and severe health disorders. Planned parenthood PROVIDES those services to women that cannot afford to get them anywhere else (oh but they're so greedy, aren't they? Heaven forbid anyone provide cheap or free service to any woman for reasons other than pregnancy, right?)

How many of you are going to pay for every poor woman's yearly pelvic exams, ultrasounds (believe it or not this is not just used to look at growing fetuses, it's also used to detect ovarian cysts and scar tissue caused by endometriosis), vaccinations against HPV, birth control (yes, birth control is used for health reasons as well as pregnancy prevention, suck it up), mammograms, STD treatments, prenatal and postnatal care?

So many prolifers insist on ignoring the huge list of other services that PP provides for women and they never show even an ounce of concern for female health. Every time they open their mouths and keep going on and on about breeding and having babies I get the impression that we're little more than cattle to them.

If you wipe out these clinics because of one service they may or may not provide simply because you're arrogance has convinced you YOUR way is the ONLY way, thousands of women will have nowhere to go for BASIC FEMALE HEALTH CARE.

Enough with this "It's not my problem or my business unless I disagree with it" baloney. If you want to take our health care away from us you might as well just come clean and admit that you're seething with disdain for the female gender (and/or yourself if you're a woman suffering from Stockholm syndrome).

I know I used PP for exams, education, & birth control when I was a poor, young student. I would have been unable to obtain this care if PP had not been available.

*Moo*

Ditto, Birch. There was a time when I didn't have the means to go to a gyno and I was having pelvic pains and needed to be checked out. I'll never forget that misogynist jerk that grabbed my arm and told me I was "sinning" on my way in.

My response was: "I'm sinning by making sure I don't have ovarian cancer?" Then I yanked my arm out of his grasp and spit at his feet. I hate these pigs and their efforts to endanger women. I hope I never have to go back to PP again...I should not have to suffer harassment for taking care of my body...but finances may not always allow for private care and the luxury of not having one's right to healthy plumbing and breasts questioned by raving sexists.

Of course they wouldn't, just like how none of them are interested in adopting the unwanted babies they "saved" or helping to fund the schools to educate those kids they "saved". Because, as we all well know, pro-lifers only care about fetuses and not women. And even then, it isn't about care entirely - it's about being able to control someone else's body and life through the manipulation of taboo issues.

I'm sure that just like the pro-liars who claim that women who get pregnant with unwanted babies should be punished by giving birth also believe that women should just deal with female cancers too becauses their God says it is a woman's purpose in life to suffer for Eve's sins. They do not care an ounce for women because they view women as objects and not humans. And, of course, if a woman dies from breast cancer or ovarian cancer, chances are, a ro-lifer will tell you that it was the woman's fault and that she must have sinned in her life, thus leading their God to punish her by making her ill.

No basis indeed - look at any of the posts made my pro-lifers on this forum and you will have basis coming out your ears.

what do pro-choice people to?