to abort, or not to abort. Posted: 05-19-08 16:35pm
i'm not in this situation, nor is anyone i
know. But at school this is a topic that
is raging the halls. Most people are
against it, i however, feel that in a
situation where the parents are young. it
is a choice that could be considered. How
many teenage relationships have you heard
of which last? Why is it right for a child
to grow up being tossed around and not
knowing who they're real parents are.. I'm
16 years old, and i've lived in the world
pretty much my whole life. My parents were
young, and no longer together. whenever
they're date another person, i considerd
them my mom, or dad. It was a hard
childhood, having different rules
everywhere you go. Lucky for me, both of
my parents are pretty wealthy, and come
from a wealthy background. But what about
those who dont?
Not that long ago, a girl in my school had
an abortion. Her and her boyfrined have
been having protected sex, and somehow she
had gotten pregnant. To me, this seemed
like a good choice, because obviously they
were using protection and this wasnt a
careless mistake.
I'd just like to hear some other opinions
on this!
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Reptar
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Posted: 05-19-08 22:06pm
I'd say it goes by a case per case basis.
I chose to abort when I found myself
pregnant, but as the option is there, it's
really a personal decision. You're on the
pro-choice forum, so I think most of us
aren't against it, but it's not as simple
as "abort or not abort".
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Jules
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Posted: 05-20-08 02:22am
I'm going to shift this to the abortion
debate forum so you get some more varied
replies, dramaqueen
Personally, I think they made the right
choice. What would have been the point of
continuing with the pregnancy?
I'm just very curious as to why everyone
in the school knows about it, and why so
many people are against it.
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aochriss
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Re: to abort, or not to abort. Posted: 05-20-08 03:45am
dramaqueen08
wrote:
i'm not in this situation,
nor is anyone i know. But at school this
is a topic that is raging the halls. Most
people are against it, i however, feel
that in a situation where the parents are
young. it is a choice that could be
considered. How many teenage relationships
have you heard of which last? Why is it
right for a child to grow up being tossed
around and not knowing who they're real
parents are.. I'm 16 years old, and i've
lived in the world pretty much my whole
life. My parents were young, and no longer
together. whenever they're date another
person, i considerd them my mom, or dad.
It was a hard childhood, having different
rules everywhere you go. Lucky for me,
both of my parents are pretty wealthy, and
come from a wealthy background. But what
about those who dont?
Not that long ago, a girl in my school had
an abortion. Her and her boyfrined have
been having protected sex, and somehow she
had gotten pregnant. To me, this seemed
like a good choice, because obviously they
were using protection and this wasnt a
careless mistake.
I'd just like to hear some other opinions
on this!
I agree with you.
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Moo
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Posted: 05-20-08 08:17am
It's up to the individuals involved and if
the people at your school felt they did
not want to be pregnant then they made the
right decision!
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EveryLifeDeservesAChance
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Posted: 05-21-08 00:14am
What about adoption?? What about
considering that ending human life is a
crime against man>? Who should really
decide whether to end a life or not? The
Government?? The Mother?? Your parents??
so many questions... Does the fetus feel
pain??.. Guess we'll never know because
we're not the fetus.... Just think if the
girl who started this discussion.. and her
parents had been at a disadvantage and
decided to abort... This wouldn't be a
discussion.. I just wanted to know how you
guys can just look at this simply as an
abortion... aborted..ended..quit..gave
up... is it just a bad mistake.. what
about rape victims who become pregnant??
Should they just end the life growing
inside of them?? End all chance at
starting life... Is the fetus a citizen of
this country?? I would think so... its
alive just not born yet in our country..
so just kill it before it grows so it
cannot have the right to !>LIFE<!
LIBERTY or any kind of PURSUIT OF
HAPPINESS.. end what could have been could
have had felt could have dreamed.... The
demise of our "modernized" society grows
closer and closer every waking moment
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Posted: 05-21-08 03:08am
EveryLifeDeservesAChance
wrote:
What about adoption??
That's a choice if the woman does not mind
being pregnant.
EveryLifeDeservesAChance
wrote:
Who should really decide
whether to end a life or not? The
Government?? The Mother?? Your parents??
If the life we're talking about is that of
a z/e/f then the mother, obviously.
EveryLifeDeservesAChance
wrote:
and her parents had been at
a disadvantage and decided to abort...
Not all women who abort are
"disadvantaged"there's a whole host of
reasons someone terminates a pregnancy
EveryLifeDeservesAChance
wrote:
what about rape victims who
become pregnant?? Should they just end the
life growing inside of them??
If they do not wish to carry the pregnancy
of the monster who raped them then yes -
do you think a rape victim should have no
choice but to carry the pregnancy of a man
who violated her?
EveryLifeDeservesAChance
wrote:
Is the fetus a citizen of
this country?? I would think
so...
No, it's not a legal person until birth
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aochriss
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Posted: 05-21-08 04:31am
EveryLifeDeservesAChance
wrote:
The demise of our
"modernized" society grows closer and
closer every waking
moment
This statement shows profound ignorance
about the nature and history of abortion.
There isn't anything "modern" about
abortion. Abortion has been practiced by
every civilization that exists or has ever
existed, since the beginning of time.
Quote:
tr>
To facilitate
understanding of the controversial subject
of abortion, its historical background is
reviewed, followed by consideration of the
contemporary indications for therapeutic
abortion and the current legal abortion
practices in the US. An ancient practice,
the records of almost every civilization
indicate knowledge of abortifacient and
abortion techniques.
http://www.popline.
org/docs/0817/045768.html
Quote:
tr>
Abortion is
probably the world's most common surgical
procedure. About 46 million abortions are
performed every year, 20 million of them
illegal. Abortion is practiced widely by
women all over the world, across all
social classes, and regardless of laws
against abortion. Since the beginning of
recorded history, abortion has been
commonly practiced by almost all
societies, including ancient China, Egypt,
Greece, Rome, and countless others. In
fact, abortion could be called a
fundamental aspect of human behaviour.
Infanticide has been practiced on every
continent and by people on every level of
cultural complexity, from hunters and
gatherers to high civilization, including
our own ancestors. Rather than being an
exception, then, it has been the rule.
There is ample historical evidence to
document the incredible propensity of
parents to homicide their children under
an assortment of stressful situations. In
nineteenth century England, for example,
infanticide was so rampant throughout the
country that a debate over how to correct
the problem was carried out in both the
lay and medical press.
Just to clear the air here, adoption is a
PARENTING choice. Abortion/birth are both
PREGNANCY choices. Pregnancy in itself is
nothing to take lightly. Even with modern
medicine it can kill a woman. Women have
the right to refuse to continue a
condition that can permanently damage or
kill them, just as men have the right to
refuse organ or bone marrow donations. If
you run over someone with your car you're
directly responsible for their need of
your bodily organs and fluids to live, yet
nobody is advocating the mandating of a
law to force people to do so. Why?
Because it would affect men.
What about considering that
ending human life is a crime against
man>? .... I just wanted to know how
you
guys can just look at this simply
as an abortion...
Crime against "man".
I am a woman, not a "guy".
Watch the language.
EveryLifeDeservesAChance
wrote:
aborted..ended..quit..gave
up... is it just a bad mistake.. what
about rape victims who become pregnant??
Should they just end the life growing
inside of them?? End all chance at
starting life... Is the fetus a citizen of
this country?? I would think so... its
alive just not born yet in our country..
so just kill it before it grows so it
cannot have the right to !>LIFE<!
LIBERTY or any kind of PURSUIT OF
HAPPINESS.. end what could have been could
have had felt could have dreamed.... The
demise of our "modernized" society grows
closer and closer every waking
moment
The irony is that if a female baby is
born, instantly it loses it autonomy.
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NeutralUsername
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Posted: 05-21-08 12:04pm
Birch
wrote:
EveryLifeDeservesAChance
wrote:
What about considering that
ending human life is a crime against
man>? .... I just wanted to know how
you
guys can just look at this simply
as an abortion...
Crime against "man".
I am a woman, not a "guy".
Watch the language.
EveryLifeDeservesAChance
wrote:
aborted..ended..quit..gave
up... is it just a bad mistake.. what
about rape victims who become pregnant??
Should they just end the life growing
inside of them?? End all chance at
starting life... Is the fetus a citizen of
this country?? I would think so... its
alive just not born yet in our country..
so just kill it before it grows so it
cannot have the right to !>LIFE<!
LIBERTY or any kind of PURSUIT OF
HAPPINESS.. end what could have been could
have had felt could have dreamed.... The
demise of our "modernized" society grows
closer and closer every waking
moment
The irony is that if a female baby is
born, instantly it loses it
autonomy.
Another defintion of man is "a member of
the species Homo sapiens or all the
members of this species collectively,
without regard to sex: prehistoric man."
[from www.dictionary.com]
No one should have to "watch" their
language if they happen to be correct.
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Birch
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Posted: 05-21-08 15:02pm
antibigot
wrote:
Birch
wrote:
EveryLifeDeservesAChance
wrote:
What about considering that
ending human life is a crime against
man>? .... I just wanted to know how
you
guys can just look at this simply
as an abortion...
Crime against "man".
I am a woman, not a "guy".
Watch the language.
EveryLifeDeservesAChance
wrote:
aborted..ended..quit..gave
up... is it just a bad mistake.. what
about rape victims who become pregnant??
Should they just end the life growing
inside of them?? End all chance at
starting life... Is the fetus a citizen of
this country?? I would think so... its
alive just not born yet in our country..
so just kill it before it grows so it
cannot have the right to !>LIFE<!
LIBERTY or any kind of PURSUIT OF
HAPPINESS.. end what could have been could
have had felt could have dreamed.... The
demise of our "modernized" society grows
closer and closer every waking
moment
The irony is that if a female baby is
born, instantly it loses it
autonomy.
Another defintion of man is "a member of
the species Homo sapiens or all the
members of this species collectively,
without regard to sex: prehistoric man."
[from www.dictionary.com]
No one should have to "watch" their
language if they happen to be
correct.
We all know the phrase "crime against man"
and calling everyone "guys" is exclusive
to the female gender, which is my point.
So what's yours? Is it time for the
Petty Semantic Variety Hour?
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NeutralUsername
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Posted: 05-21-08 17:33pm
Birch
wrote:
antibigot
wrote:
Birch
wrote:
EveryLifeDeservesAChance
wrote:
What about considering that
ending human life is a crime against
man>? .... I just wanted to know how
you
guys can just look at this simply
as an abortion...
Crime against "man".
I am a woman, not a "guy".
Watch the language.
EveryLifeDeservesAChance
wrote:
aborted..ended..quit..gave
up... is it just a bad mistake.. what
about rape victims who become pregnant??
Should they just end the life growing
inside of them?? End all chance at
starting life... Is the fetus a citizen of
this country?? I would think so... its
alive just not born yet in our country..
so just kill it before it grows so it
cannot have the right to !>LIFE<!
LIBERTY or any kind of PURSUIT OF
HAPPINESS.. end what could have been could
have had felt could have dreamed.... The
demise of our "modernized" society grows
closer and closer every waking
moment
The irony is that if a female baby is
born, instantly it loses it
autonomy.
Another defintion of man is "a member of
the species Homo sapiens or all the
members of this species collectively,
without regard to sex: prehistoric man."
[from www.dictionary.com]
No one should have to "watch" their
language if they happen to be
correct.
We all know the phrase "crime against man"
and calling everyone "guys" is exclusive
to the female gender, which is my point.
So what's yours? Is it time for the
Petty Semantic Variety
Hour?
Try looking up the word man in the
dictionary. YOU are the one being petty.
If someone wants to use man or mankind to
refer to all humans, they have a right to.
They do not have to watch their language
to make you feel better.
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Dannzibelle
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Posted: 05-21-08 17:54pm
I am the same age as you and i have a 10
and a half month old daughter. I was 15
when i got pregnant (while having
protected sex) And 16 when i gave birth, i
completed my final year at school and
completed all of my exams while 35+weeks
pregnant and acheived grades rangeing from
a-d. I am still with the father of my baby
andwe have never been happier,he is eight
months older than me and an amazing
father, he was there for every antenatal
appointment the ultrasounds, the birth,
stayed with me overnight at the hospital.
Aboutthe onlything he doesn't do is
breastfeed her for the obvious reason!!
I know of two people who have had
abortions and that was the right choice by
them, one of them is a girl i used to go
to school with and she had an abortion at
14 because it was a result of a one night
stand and she didn't want a baby at 14.
The other is the girlfriend of a good
friend of mine, she got pregnant when
they were both 18. They decided to have an
abortion rather than keep the baby because
theyboth wanted to go to university and
focus on a career before having a child.
She doesn't regret the abortion in the
slightest and says it was the best
decision she's made but my friend on
theother hand regrets it alot,he thinks
about it everyday. He never really wanted
her to have an abortion but he knew that's
what she wanted, he still has the scan
picture in a frame next to his bed and
thinks about whether he would have a son
or daughter by nowand what they wouldhave
been called etc. They're not together
anymore because she couldn't remain
faithful so that in itself shows she
wasn't ready to have the child.
A baby is a huge lifelong commitment that
you can't turn your back on once you get
bored of cleaning, changing nappies and
feeding mushed up veggies, some people are
capeable of this at a young age andsome
won't even entertain the idea of a child
until they are nearly 40.
I personally could not of gone through
with an abortion, we talked through the 3
options together and came to the decision
of keeping our daughter. My personal point
of view is that a baby is a baby from the
moment of conception even if this isn't
scientifically true, i also could not have
given Mika up for adoption as i knew that
i would develop a bond with her while she
was in the womb and it would of broken my
heart to know that someone else was
bringing up the baby that my body cared
for.
Each woman who finds herself pregnant will
make the decision that she feels is right
for her at that moment and it should be
nobodies business but her own.
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aochriss
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Posted: 05-21-08 18:55pm
Amen.
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dramaqueen08
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Posted: 05-21-08 19:48pm
I agree with both arguments, i feel it
isnt right to kill a baby and that it is
lifelike at conception. But i strongly
agree, that no matter what the reason, if
you cannot finanically, mentally,
physically, raise a child, why go through
with the pregnancy. Obviously, it isn't
something to kid about, its another life.
But it just isnt fair to have a child and
not giving it the life it deserves.
Adoption, is something that is avaible to
most people. However, caring for your
child for 9 months, will certainly make
you closer to the kid. Which honestly,
leaves abortion to be the only choice.
Even i think it's cowardly.. but face it.
If i ever get pregnant and i feel i cannot
support my child, i'm not going to give
birth to a child for the sake of it, then
it has to live it's life as a mistake. It
just isn't fair. Which is why i agree that
an abortion, would be best for the life of
the mother/father and the child.
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Birch
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Posted: 05-21-08 21:22pm
antibigot
wrote:
Birch
wrote:
antibigot
wrote:
Birch
wrote:
EveryLifeDeservesAChance
wrote:
What about considering that
ending human life is a crime against
man>? .... I just wanted to know how
you
guys can just look at this simply
as an abortion...
Crime against "man".
I am a woman, not a "guy".
Watch the language.
EveryLifeDeservesAChance
wrote:
aborted..ended..quit..gave
up... is it just a bad mistake.. what
about rape victims who become pregnant??
Should they just end the life growing
inside of them?? End all chance at
starting life... Is the fetus a citizen of
this country?? I would think so... its
alive just not born yet in our country..
so just kill it before it grows so it
cannot have the right to !>LIFE<!
LIBERTY or any kind of PURSUIT OF
HAPPINESS.. end what could have been could
have had felt could have dreamed.... The
demise of our "modernized" society grows
closer and closer every waking
moment
The irony is that if a female baby is
born, instantly it loses it
autonomy.
Another defintion of man is "a member of
the species Homo sapiens or all the
members of this species collectively,
without regard to sex: prehistoric man."
[from www.dictionary.com]
No one should have to "watch" their
language if they happen to be
correct.
We all know the phrase "crime against man"
and calling everyone "guys" is exclusive
to the female gender, which is my point.
So what's yours? Is it time for the
Petty Semantic Variety
Hour?
Try looking up the word man in the
dictionary. YOU are the one being petty.
If someone wants to use man or mankind to
refer to all humans, they have a right to.
They do not have to watch their language
to make you feel
better.
No comment about the actual content of the
post, eh? Now that the Petty Semantic
Variety Hour is over, it's time for the
Antagonists 'R' Us Program!
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Birch
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Posted: 05-21-08 21:26pm
Dannzibelle
wrote:
I am the same age as you and
i have a 10 and a half month old daughter.
I was 15 when i got pregnant (while having
protected sex) And 16 when i gave birth, i
completed my final year at school and
completed all of my exams while 35+weeks
pregnant and acheived grades rangeing from
a-d. I am still with the father of my baby
andwe have never been happier,he is eight
months older than me and an amazing
father, he was there for every antenatal
appointment the ultrasounds, the birth,
stayed with me overnight at the hospital.
Aboutthe onlything he doesn't do is
breastfeed her for the obvious reason!!
I know of two people who have had
abortions and that was the right choice by
them, one of them is a girl i used to go
to school with and she had an abortion at
14 because it was a result of a one night
stand and she didn't want a baby at 14.
The other is the girlfriend of a good
friend of mine, she got pregnant when
they were both 18. They decided to have an
abortion rather than keep the baby because
theyboth wanted to go to university and
focus on a career before having a child.
She doesn't regret the abortion in the
slightest and says it was the best
decision she's made but my friend on
theother hand regrets it alot,he thinks
about it everyday. He never really wanted
her to have an abortion but he knew that's
what she wanted, he still has the scan
picture in a frame next to his bed and
thinks about whether he would have a son
or daughter by nowand what they wouldhave
been called etc. They're not together
anymore because she couldn't remain
faithful so that in itself shows she
wasn't ready to have the child.
A baby is a huge lifelong commitment that
you can't turn your back on once you get
bored of cleaning, changing nappies and
feeding mushed up veggies, some people are
capeable of this at a young age andsome
won't even entertain the idea of a child
until they are nearly 40.
I personally could not of gone through
with an abortion, we talked through the 3
options together and came to the decision
of keeping our daughter. My personal point
of view is that a baby is a baby from the
moment of conception even if this isn't
scientifically true, i also could not have
given Mika up for adoption as i knew that
i would develop a bond with her while she
was in the womb and it would of broken my
heart to know that someone else was
bringing up the baby that my body cared
for.
Each woman who finds herself pregnant will
make the decision that she feels is right
for her at that moment and it should be
nobodies business but her
own.
Danni is a fantastic teen mom, btw! A
role model for mothers of any age,
too!
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Posted: 05-21-08 22:26pm
Birch
wrote:
antibigot
wrote:
Birch
wrote:
antibigot
wrote:
Birch
wrote:
EveryLifeDeservesAChance
wrote:
What about considering that
ending human life is a crime against
man>? .... I just wanted to know how
you
guys can just look at this simply
as an abortion...
Crime against "man".
I am a woman, not a "guy".
Watch the language.
EveryLifeDeservesAChance
wrote:
aborted..ended..quit..gave
up... is it just a bad mistake.. what
about rape victims who become pregnant??
Should they just end the life growing
inside of them?? End all chance at
starting life... Is the fetus a citizen of
this country?? I would think so... its
alive just not born yet in our country..
so just kill it before it grows so it
cannot have the right to !>LIFE<!
LIBERTY or any kind of PURSUIT OF
HAPPINESS.. end what could have been could
have had felt could have dreamed.... The
demise of our "modernized" society grows
closer and closer every waking
moment
The irony is that if a female baby is
born, instantly it loses it
autonomy.
Another defintion of man is "a member of
the species Homo sapiens or all the
members of this species collectively,
without regard to sex: prehistoric man."
[from www.dictionary.com]
No one should have to "watch" their
language if they happen to be
correct.
We all know the phrase "crime against man"
and calling everyone "guys" is exclusive
to the female gender, which is my point.
So what's yours? Is it time for the
Petty Semantic Variety
Hour?
Try looking up the word man in the
dictionary. YOU are the one being petty.
If someone wants to use man or mankind to
refer to all humans, they have a right to.
They do not have to watch their language
to make you feel
better.
No comment about the actual content of the
post, eh? Now that the Petty Semantic
Variety Hour is over, it's time for the
Antagonists 'R' Us
Program!
Sure. I could have commented on the actual
post. But, your comment was unneccessary
since it didn't have anything to do with
the post. You were nitpicking someone's
choice of words and now you are trying to
make it appear that I am the one who is
petty with semantics. Were you making a
sarcastic joke and you really do know that
man can refer to all humans and guy is
actually a slang word that can refer to
all people?