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to abort, or not to abort.
Posted: 05-19-08 16:35pm

i'm not in this situation, nor is anyone i know. But at school this is a topic that is raging the halls. Most people are against it, i however, feel that in a situation where the parents are young. it is a choice that could be considered. How many teenage relationships have you heard of which last? Why is it right for a child to grow up being tossed around and not knowing who they're real parents are.. I'm 16 years old, and i've lived in the world pretty much my whole life. My parents were young, and no longer together. whenever they're date another person, i considerd them my mom, or dad. It was a hard childhood, having different rules everywhere you go. Lucky for me, both of my parents are pretty wealthy, and come from a wealthy background. But what about those who dont?
Not that long ago, a girl in my school had an abortion. Her and her boyfrined have been having protected sex, and somehow she had gotten pregnant. To me, this seemed like a good choice, because obviously they were using protection and this wasnt a careless mistake.
I'd just like to hear some other opinions on this!
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Posted: 05-19-08 22:06pm

I'd say it goes by a case per case basis. I chose to abort when I found myself pregnant, but as the option is there, it's really a personal decision. You're on the pro-choice forum, so I think most of us aren't against it, but it's not as simple as "abort or not abort".
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Posted: 05-20-08 02:22am

I'm going to shift this to the abortion debate forum so you get some more varied replies, dramaqueen Wink
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Posted: 05-20-08 03:39am

Personally, I think they made the right choice. What would have been the point of continuing with the pregnancy?

I'm just very curious as to why everyone in the school knows about it, and why so many people are against it.
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Re: to abort, or not to abort.
Posted: 05-20-08 03:45am

dramaqueen08 wrote:
i'm not in this situation, nor is anyone i know. But at school this is a topic that is raging the halls. Most people are against it, i however, feel that in a situation where the parents are young. it is a choice that could be considered. How many teenage relationships have you heard of which last? Why is it right for a child to grow up being tossed around and not knowing who they're real parents are.. I'm 16 years old, and i've lived in the world pretty much my whole life. My parents were young, and no longer together. whenever they're date another person, i considerd them my mom, or dad. It was a hard childhood, having different rules everywhere you go. Lucky for me, both of my parents are pretty wealthy, and come from a wealthy background. But what about those who dont?
Not that long ago, a girl in my school had an abortion. Her and her boyfrined have been having protected sex, and somehow she had gotten pregnant. To me, this seemed like a good choice, because obviously they were using protection and this wasnt a careless mistake.
I'd just like to hear some other opinions on this!


I agree with you.
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Posted: 05-20-08 08:17am

It's up to the individuals involved and if the people at your school felt they did not want to be pregnant then they made the right decision!
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Posted: 05-21-08 00:14am

What about adoption?? What about considering that ending human life is a crime against man>? Who should really decide whether to end a life or not? The Government?? The Mother?? Your parents?? so many questions... Does the fetus feel pain??.. Guess we'll never know because we're not the fetus.... Just think if the girl who started this discussion.. and her parents had been at a disadvantage and decided to abort... This wouldn't be a discussion.. I just wanted to know how you guys can just look at this simply as an abortion... aborted..ended..quit..gave up... is it just a bad mistake.. what about rape victims who become pregnant?? Should they just end the life growing inside of them?? End all chance at starting life... Is the fetus a citizen of this country?? I would think so... its alive just not born yet in our country.. so just kill it before it grows so it cannot have the right to !>LIFE<! LIBERTY or any kind of PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS.. end what could have been could have had felt could have dreamed.... The demise of our "modernized" society grows closer and closer every waking moment
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Posted: 05-21-08 03:08am

EveryLifeDeservesAChance wrote:
What about adoption??

That's a choice if the woman does not mind being pregnant.

EveryLifeDeservesAChance wrote:
Who should really decide whether to end a life or not? The Government?? The Mother?? Your parents??

If the life we're talking about is that of a z/e/f then the mother, obviously.



EveryLifeDeservesAChance wrote:
and her parents had been at a disadvantage and decided to abort...

Not all women who abort are "disadvantaged"there's a whole host of reasons someone terminates a pregnancy

EveryLifeDeservesAChance wrote:
what about rape victims who become pregnant?? Should they just end the life growing inside of them??

If they do not wish to carry the pregnancy of the monster who raped them then yes - do you think a rape victim should have no choice but to carry the pregnancy of a man who violated her?

EveryLifeDeservesAChance wrote:
Is the fetus a citizen of this country?? I would think so...

No, it's not a legal person until birth
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Posted: 05-21-08 04:31am

EveryLifeDeservesAChance wrote:
The demise of our "modernized" society grows closer and closer every waking moment


This statement shows profound ignorance about the nature and history of abortion.

There isn't anything "modern" about abortion. Abortion has been practiced by every civilization that exists or has ever existed, since the beginning of time.



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To facilitate understanding of the controversial subject of abortion, its historical background is reviewed, followed by consideration of the contemporary indications for therapeutic abortion and the current legal abortion practices in the US. An ancient practice, the records of almost every civilization indicate knowledge of abortifacient and abortion techniques.
http://www.popline. org/docs/0817/045768.html
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Abortion is probably the world's most common surgical procedure. About 46 million abortions are performed every year, 20 million of them illegal. Abortion is practiced widely by women all over the world, across all social classes, and regardless of laws against abortion. Since the beginning of recorded history, abortion has been commonly practiced by almost all societies, including ancient China, Egypt, Greece, Rome, and countless others. In fact, abortion could be called a fundamental aspect of human behaviour.

About 35 out of every 1000 women of childbearing age have an abortion each year. That's an average of one abortion for every woman over her lifetime.
http: //www.prochoiceactionnetwork-canada.org/ci vilize.html

Even infantucide has been practiced widely:
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Infanticide has been practiced on every continent and by people on every level of cultural complexity, from hunters and gatherers to high civilization, including our own ancestors. Rather than being an exception, then, it has been the rule.
There is ample historical evidence to document the incredible propensity of parents to homicide their children under an assortment of stressful situations. In nineteenth century England, for example, infanticide was so rampant throughout the country that a debate over how to correct the problem was carried out in both the lay and medical press.

http://www.infanticide.or g/history.htm
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Posted: 05-21-08 06:25am

Just to clear the air here, adoption is a PARENTING choice. Abortion/birth are both PREGNANCY choices. Pregnancy in itself is nothing to take lightly. Even with modern medicine it can kill a woman. Women have the right to refuse to continue a condition that can permanently damage or kill them, just as men have the right to refuse organ or bone marrow donations. If you run over someone with your car you're directly responsible for their need of your bodily organs and fluids to live, yet nobody is advocating the mandating of a law to force people to do so. Why? Because it would affect men.
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Posted: 05-21-08 10:33am

EveryLifeDeservesAChance wrote:
What about considering that ending human life is a crime against man>? .... I just wanted to know how you guys can just look at this simply as an abortion...


Crime against "man".
I am a woman, not a "guy".

Watch the language.

EveryLifeDeservesAChance wrote:
aborted..ended..quit..gave up... is it just a bad mistake.. what about rape victims who become pregnant?? Should they just end the life growing inside of them?? End all chance at starting life... Is the fetus a citizen of this country?? I would think so... its alive just not born yet in our country.. so just kill it before it grows so it cannot have the right to !>LIFE<! LIBERTY or any kind of PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS.. end what could have been could have had felt could have dreamed.... The demise of our "modernized" society grows closer and closer every waking moment


The irony is that if a female baby is born, instantly it loses it autonomy.
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Posted: 05-21-08 12:04pm

Birch wrote:
EveryLifeDeservesAChance wrote:
What about considering that ending human life is a crime against man>? .... I just wanted to know how you guys can just look at this simply as an abortion...


Crime against "man".
I am a woman, not a "guy".

Watch the language.

EveryLifeDeservesAChance wrote:
aborted..ended..quit..gave up... is it just a bad mistake.. what about rape victims who become pregnant?? Should they just end the life growing inside of them?? End all chance at starting life... Is the fetus a citizen of this country?? I would think so... its alive just not born yet in our country.. so just kill it before it grows so it cannot have the right to !>LIFE<! LIBERTY or any kind of PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS.. end what could have been could have had felt could have dreamed.... The demise of our "modernized" society grows closer and closer every waking moment


The irony is that if a female baby is born, instantly it loses it autonomy.


Another defintion of man is "a member of the species Homo sapiens or all the members of this species collectively, without regard to sex: prehistoric man." [from www.dictionary.com]

No one should have to "watch" their language if they happen to be correct.
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Posted: 05-21-08 15:02pm

antibigot wrote:
Birch wrote:
EveryLifeDeservesAChance wrote:
What about considering that ending human life is a crime against man>? .... I just wanted to know how you guys can just look at this simply as an abortion...


Crime against "man".
I am a woman, not a "guy".

Watch the language.

EveryLifeDeservesAChance wrote:
aborted..ended..quit..gave up... is it just a bad mistake.. what about rape victims who become pregnant?? Should they just end the life growing inside of them?? End all chance at starting life... Is the fetus a citizen of this country?? I would think so... its alive just not born yet in our country.. so just kill it before it grows so it cannot have the right to !>LIFE<! LIBERTY or any kind of PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS.. end what could have been could have had felt could have dreamed.... The demise of our "modernized" society grows closer and closer every waking moment


The irony is that if a female baby is born, instantly it loses it autonomy.


Another defintion of man is "a member of the species Homo sapiens or all the members of this species collectively, without regard to sex: prehistoric man." [from www.dictionary.com]

No one should have to "watch" their language if they happen to be correct.


Laughing

We all know the phrase "crime against man" and calling everyone "guys" is exclusive to the female gender, which is my point. So what's yours? Is it time for the Petty Semantic Variety Hour?
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Posted: 05-21-08 17:33pm

Birch wrote:
antibigot wrote:
Birch wrote:
EveryLifeDeservesAChance wrote:
What about considering that ending human life is a crime against man>? .... I just wanted to know how you guys can just look at this simply as an abortion...


Crime against "man".
I am a woman, not a "guy".

Watch the language.

EveryLifeDeservesAChance wrote:
aborted..ended..quit..gave up... is it just a bad mistake.. what about rape victims who become pregnant?? Should they just end the life growing inside of them?? End all chance at starting life... Is the fetus a citizen of this country?? I would think so... its alive just not born yet in our country.. so just kill it before it grows so it cannot have the right to !>LIFE<! LIBERTY or any kind of PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS.. end what could have been could have had felt could have dreamed.... The demise of our "modernized" society grows closer and closer every waking moment


The irony is that if a female baby is born, instantly it loses it autonomy.


Another defintion of man is "a member of the species Homo sapiens or all the members of this species collectively, without regard to sex: prehistoric man." [from www.dictionary.com]

No one should have to "watch" their language if they happen to be correct.


Laughing

We all know the phrase "crime against man" and calling everyone "guys" is exclusive to the female gender, which is my point. So what's yours? Is it time for the Petty Semantic Variety Hour?


Try looking up the word man in the dictionary. YOU are the one being petty. If someone wants to use man or mankind to refer to all humans, they have a right to. They do not have to watch their language to make you feel better.
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Posted: 05-21-08 17:54pm

I am the same age as you and i have a 10 and a half month old daughter. I was 15 when i got pregnant (while having protected sex) And 16 when i gave birth, i completed my final year at school and completed all of my exams while 35+weeks pregnant and acheived grades rangeing from a-d. I am still with the father of my baby andwe have never been happier,he is eight months older than me and an amazing father, he was there for every antenatal appointment the ultrasounds, the birth, stayed with me overnight at the hospital. Aboutthe onlything he doesn't do is breastfeed her for the obvious reason!!
I know of two people who have had abortions and that was the right choice by them, one of them is a girl i used to go to school with and she had an abortion at 14 because it was a result of a one night stand and she didn't want a baby at 14. The other is the girlfriend of a good friend of mine, she got pregnant when they were both 18. They decided to have an abortion rather than keep the baby because theyboth wanted to go to university and focus on a career before having a child. She doesn't regret the abortion in the slightest and says it was the best decision she's made but my friend on theother hand regrets it alot,he thinks about it everyday. He never really wanted her to have an abortion but he knew that's what she wanted, he still has the scan picture in a frame next to his bed and thinks about whether he would have a son or daughter by nowand what they wouldhave been called etc. They're not together anymore because she couldn't remain faithful so that in itself shows she wasn't ready to have the child.
A baby is a huge lifelong commitment that you can't turn your back on once you get bored of cleaning, changing nappies and feeding mushed up veggies, some people are capeable of this at a young age andsome won't even entertain the idea of a child until they are nearly 40.
I personally could not of gone through with an abortion, we talked through the 3 options together and came to the decision of keeping our daughter. My personal point of view is that a baby is a baby from the moment of conception even if this isn't scientifically true, i also could not have given Mika up for adoption as i knew that i would develop a bond with her while she was in the womb and it would of broken my heart to know that someone else was bringing up the baby that my body cared for.
Each woman who finds herself pregnant will make the decision that she feels is right for her at that moment and it should be nobodies business but her own.
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Posted: 05-21-08 18:55pm

Amen.
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Posted: 05-21-08 19:48pm

I agree with both arguments, i feel it isnt right to kill a baby and that it is lifelike at conception. But i strongly agree, that no matter what the reason, if you cannot finanically, mentally, physically, raise a child, why go through with the pregnancy. Obviously, it isn't something to kid about, its another life. But it just isnt fair to have a child and not giving it the life it deserves. Adoption, is something that is avaible to most people. However, caring for your child for 9 months, will certainly make you closer to the kid. Which honestly, leaves abortion to be the only choice. Even i think it's cowardly.. but face it. If i ever get pregnant and i feel i cannot support my child, i'm not going to give birth to a child for the sake of it, then it has to live it's life as a mistake. It just isn't fair. Which is why i agree that an abortion, would be best for the life of the mother/father and the child.
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Posted: 05-21-08 21:22pm

antibigot wrote:
Birch wrote:
antibigot wrote:
Birch wrote:
EveryLifeDeservesAChance wrote:
What about considering that ending human life is a crime against man>? .... I just wanted to know how you guys can just look at this simply as an abortion...


Crime against "man".
I am a woman, not a "guy".

Watch the language.

EveryLifeDeservesAChance wrote:
aborted..ended..quit..gave up... is it just a bad mistake.. what about rape victims who become pregnant?? Should they just end the life growing inside of them?? End all chance at starting life... Is the fetus a citizen of this country?? I would think so... its alive just not born yet in our country.. so just kill it before it grows so it cannot have the right to !>LIFE<! LIBERTY or any kind of PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS.. end what could have been could have had felt could have dreamed.... The demise of our "modernized" society grows closer and closer every waking moment


The irony is that if a female baby is born, instantly it loses it autonomy.


Another defintion of man is "a member of the species Homo sapiens or all the members of this species collectively, without regard to sex: prehistoric man." [from www.dictionary.com]

No one should have to "watch" their language if they happen to be correct.


Laughing

We all know the phrase "crime against man" and calling everyone "guys" is exclusive to the female gender, which is my point. So what's yours? Is it time for the Petty Semantic Variety Hour?


Try looking up the word man in the dictionary. YOU are the one being petty. If someone wants to use man or mankind to refer to all humans, they have a right to. They do not have to watch their language to make you feel better.


No comment about the actual content of the post, eh? Now that the Petty Semantic Variety Hour is over, it's time for the Antagonists 'R' Us Program!
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Posted: 05-21-08 21:26pm

Dannzibelle wrote:
I am the same age as you and i have a 10 and a half month old daughter. I was 15 when i got pregnant (while having protected sex) And 16 when i gave birth, i completed my final year at school and completed all of my exams while 35+weeks pregnant and acheived grades rangeing from a-d. I am still with the father of my baby andwe have never been happier,he is eight months older than me and an amazing father, he was there for every antenatal appointment the ultrasounds, the birth, stayed with me overnight at the hospital. Aboutthe onlything he doesn't do is breastfeed her for the obvious reason!!
I know of two people who have had abortions and that was the right choice by them, one of them is a girl i used to go to school with and she had an abortion at 14 because it was a result of a one night stand and she didn't want a baby at 14. The other is the girlfriend of a good friend of mine, she got pregnant when they were both 18. They decided to have an abortion rather than keep the baby because theyboth wanted to go to university and focus on a career before having a child. She doesn't regret the abortion in the slightest and says it was the best decision she's made but my friend on theother hand regrets it alot,he thinks about it everyday. He never really wanted her to have an abortion but he knew that's what she wanted, he still has the scan picture in a frame next to his bed and thinks about whether he would have a son or daughter by nowand what they wouldhave been called etc. They're not together anymore because she couldn't remain faithful so that in itself shows she wasn't ready to have the child.
A baby is a huge lifelong commitment that you can't turn your back on once you get bored of cleaning, changing nappies and feeding mushed up veggies, some people are capeable of this at a young age andsome won't even entertain the idea of a child until they are nearly 40.
I personally could not of gone through with an abortion, we talked through the 3 options together and came to the decision of keeping our daughter. My personal point of view is that a baby is a baby from the moment of conception even if this isn't scientifically true, i also could not have given Mika up for adoption as i knew that i would develop a bond with her while she was in the womb and it would of broken my heart to know that someone else was bringing up the baby that my body cared for.
Each woman who finds herself pregnant will make the decision that she feels is right for her at that moment and it should be nobodies business but her own.


Danni is a fantastic teen mom, btw! A role model for mothers of any age, too!
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Posted: 05-21-08 22:26pm

Birch wrote:
antibigot wrote:
Birch wrote:
antibigot wrote:
Birch wrote:
EveryLifeDeservesAChance wrote:
What about considering that ending human life is a crime against man>? .... I just wanted to know how you guys can just look at this simply as an abortion...


Crime against "man".
I am a woman, not a "guy".

Watch the language.

EveryLifeDeservesAChance wrote:
aborted..ended..quit..gave up... is it just a bad mistake.. what about rape victims who become pregnant?? Should they just end the life growing inside of them?? End all chance at starting life... Is the fetus a citizen of this country?? I would think so... its alive just not born yet in our country.. so just kill it before it grows so it cannot have the right to !>LIFE<! LIBERTY or any kind of PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS.. end what could have been could have had felt could have dreamed.... The demise of our "modernized" society grows closer and closer every waking moment


The irony is that if a female baby is born, instantly it loses it autonomy.


Another defintion of man is "a member of the species Homo sapiens or all the members of this species collectively, without regard to sex: prehistoric man." [from www.dictionary.com]

No one should have to "watch" their language if they happen to be correct.


Laughing

We all know the phrase "crime against man" and calling everyone "guys" is exclusive to the female gender, which is my point. So what's yours? Is it time for the Petty Semantic Variety Hour?


Try looking up the word man in the dictionary. YOU are the one being petty. If someone wants to use man or mankind to refer to all humans, they have a right to. They do not have to watch their language to make you feel better.


No comment about the actual content of the post, eh? Now that the Petty Semantic Variety Hour is over, it's time for the Antagonists 'R' Us Program!


Sure. I could have commented on the actual post. But, your comment was unneccessary since it didn't have anything to do with the post. You were nitpicking someone's choice of words and now you are trying to make it appear that I am the one who is petty with semantics. Were you making a sarcastic joke and you really do know that man can refer to all humans and guy is actually a slang word that can refer to all people?
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