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Q: TMJ Arthroscopy ?
asked by: kristacarlton on July 29th, 2009
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I am looking for some direction, insight, or even advice here...

I have had problems with my TMJ for almost 7 years now. I have taken a wide variety of NSAIDS, muscle relaxers, as well as pain pills. Now that I am older and WISER I know the risks involved with taking those, so I have drastically reduced my intake during the last couple of years. I take SOMA and tylenol only when it gets so unbearable that I cannot think straight. I have received several cortizone shots, have a night splint, and undergo physicaly therapy. All provide temporary relieve, but the problem is inteferring with my everday way of living. I have severe arthritis in the right TMJ, mild in the left, the right disk is completely anteriorly displaced with the cartlidge deteriorated, my ROM is very limited, bone spurs on the condyle head, narrowing of the bone shaft itself (so thin it is now hard to see in the MRIs), lots of scar tissue, and there's a build up of fluid in the muscles in my jaw, as well as my neck. The extreme jaw pain causes me frequent headaches, jaw locking, jaw noises, neck/shoulder pain, trouble sleeping, trouble sitting for long periods of time at the computer, trouble eating certain foods, etc.. I really try to keep a positive attitude with regards to the condition, but sometimes it can really get me down in the dumps.

I have seen multiple oral surgeons and was refferred to this last one by many sources. He was excellent and spent over an hour discussing my condition and even explained my MRIs picture by picture to me. He explained that I have tried every reasonable treatment option and surgery is definitely something to consider at this point. He went over the options for surgery, explained that my jaw will never technically be fixed, but that there are procedures to help decrease the pain and make it more managable. He suggested doing Arthroscopy before Open Joint Surgery (which had been recommended by a previous surgeon in 2002) because it is less evasive and many TMJ patients have experienced great relief from it. He explained that there are nerves that are in close proximity to the surgery area and could be damaged during the procesdure. These nerves are for your hearing and movement of facial muscles. This is where my heart starts pounding and freaking out!!

Has anyone undergone this type of procedure? Was it successful? Did you experience any nerve damages? How long did it take to recover? How long were you on a liquid diet? How long were you out of work? If it didn't work did you end up going back for Open Joint Surgery?

I really appreciate anyone's help. Have a great day!
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bostonian1
replied on July 29th, 2009
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I had the Arthroscopy surgery in 1992 and did not have any nerve or hearing problems. I was on a soft diet for about six months. In 2007 I had the Open Joint Surgery, again I did not have any nerve damage or hearing problems. I was out of work about 4wks, liquids about a week and progressed as I was comfortable soft diet with minimal chewing. I am now getting ready to have surgery on the other side. Good Luck.
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edgaras
replied on July 29th, 2009
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If you use PC at home, use a laptop if possible on a comfortable couch or sofa (lying down in the belly so your head is not leaning forward but backward to compensate all the time you spend with your head forward if you do PC work at work etc).

I am 3 years into this, I feel your pain.
Thank you for sharing this, don't be ashamed.

Ed
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edgaras
replied on July 29th, 2009
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I also wanted to add that my current OS think I have not suffered enough to have such procedure, he also thinks that I am depressed, and thus, I might have somatoform disorder and that I will keep on complaining that something is constantly wrong with me. He send me off by saying, "go on with pain management". Seems like I am taking the road that you did...
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edgaras
replied on July 29th, 2009
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Bostonian, would you mind sharing more details about your procedure, what did it consist of? I was told they use lasers to perform some of the work inside, but the rest? Is it just like a knee arthroscopic procedure?
I have not find a single video on youtube on TMJ procedures of this kind, plenty of knee and shoulder one's showing how they shave off the loose cartilage tissue away with automatic shaver.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKBr6lShnic

Please, anyone, share more info.
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edgaras
replied on July 29th, 2009
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By the way, arthroscopy by itself, was used simple as a diagnostic tool - to go into the tissues with a small camera and see what is happening inside; nowadays, it seems it is more focused on arthroscopic surgery, but I suppose one can get a simple arthroscopy for investigatory purposes.

http://books.google.com/books?id=x6ThiifBP csC&lpg=PA381&dq=arthroscopy tmj &client=firefox-a&pg=PA381



Another book I found:

"Treatment

Clinical experiences shows that most patients have a resolution of their symptoms with simple, reversible treatments. Tollar reported that 51 % of patients with TMJ osteoarthritis were pain-free after 1 year, 76% after 2 years; and 98% after 5 years. The treatment of internal derangement and osteoarthritis initially is similar to that for myofascial pain. A careful explanation of the problem emphasizing its self-limiting nature should be given to the patient. Home care should include a soft diet, jaw rest, and application of moist heat. Medical therapy is directed at pain relief and reduction of inflammation by the of is nonsteroidal antiinflammatory medications. Narcotic analgesics should be avoided... (yeah, really?) Low-dose tricyclic antidepressants may be helpful if the patient is experiencing sleep disturbance. Dental treatment involves the use of occlusal appliances. While the physiologic basic for the effective of occlusal appliances IS POORLY UNDERSTOOD, they seem to reduce pain in 70 to 80% of patients.
TMJ surgery plays an important but limited role in treatment of patients whose symptoms are severe and refractory to conservative treatment. TMJ arthocentesis and joint lavage have been shown to be effective in managing cases with severe limitation of opening. The procedure is simple to perform and has no associated significant morbidity. TMJ ARTHROSCOPY HAS REVOLUTIONIZED THE SURGICAL APPROACH TO THE TREATMENT OF INTERNAL DERANGEMENT AND OSTEOARTHRITIS OF THE TMJ. ARTHROSCOPIC LAVAGE AND LYSIS OF ADHESIONS HAS PROVEN EFFECTIVE IN REDUCTION OF PAIN AND INCREASING RANGE OF MOTION IN APPROXIMATELY 80% OF PATIENTS TREATED. COMPLICATIONS WITH TMJ ARTHROSCOPY ARE LESS COMMON THAN WITH OPEN SURGERY. ADVANCED ARTHROSCOPIC OPERATIVE TECHNIQUES UTILIZING ROTORARY INSTRUMENTS, ELECTROCAUTERY. AND LASERS ARE BEING DEVELOPED, BUT THERE EFFECTIVENESS COMPARED WITH SIMPLE LAVAGE AND LYSIS OF ADHESIONS HAS NOT BEEN PROVEN. TMJ arthrOtomy procedures, including disc repositioning and arhroplasty or disectomy (menisceectomy), have been used for treating severe symptoms for many years and are successful in reducing symptoms in about 80% of patients. TMJ arthrotomy procedures are indicated for patients who have severe mechanical problems such as intermittent locking or severe mechanical problems such as intermittent locking or patients who previously have undergone surgery. COMPLICATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH TMJ ARTHROTOMY INCLUDE FACIAL NERVE INJURY, MALOCCLUSION, AND CONTINUED OR INCREASED SYMPTOMS. In past ten years, the yes of alloplastic implants in the TMJ was popular; however, experience has shown that most of these patients developed articulation of the implant and foreign-body reactions. Therefore the use of alloplastic implants in the TMJ is not recommended.
In summary, TMJ surgical procedures benefit about 80% of the patients treated. Unfortunately, about 5% of patients who undergo surgery experience a worsening of their symptoms. The decision to proceed with surgery must be carefully considered and made by both the patient and surgeon.

Courtesy of google books -

http://books.google.com/books?id=FinMDEN_i DIC&lpg=PA83&dq=arthroscopy tmj& amp;client=firefox-a&pg=PA84

Clinical primer of rheumatology (2002 )
By William J. Koopman, Dennis W. Boulware, Gustavo R. Heudebert

2002 book I would argue is abit outdated, but it's the one I came upon. Further research might yield more recent publications on this topic...

This reminds me of a visit with rheumatolgist who said I was fine, without even looking at the TMJ MRI. I insisted on the return of my money as her secretary assured me that doctor is familiar with TMJ disorders.. Unfortunately, few rheumatologist have experience in TMD cases and all they can due is shrug shoulders, or if they obey standard of care, contact oral surgeon for consultation.
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edgaras
replied on July 29th, 2009
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Here is the book dated 2008, with more insight into arthoscopy. Talks about technique, mode of action, complications.

http://books.google.com/books?id=t6oAmPp6o kgC&lpg=PA181&dq=arthroscopy tmj &as_brr=3&client=firefox-a&pg= PA181

Orofacial Pain and Headache
By Yair Sharav, Rafael Benoliel, Barry J. (FRW) Sessle


But, yet again, we need real people who've had this done, not some scientist who only perform and have incomplete understanding of the impact of such procedure on the patient.
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painintheface
replied on August 9th, 2009
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Oral Surgeon just told me that he could see as much if not more in an MRI than a diagnostic arthroscopy, FYI.
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edgaras
replied on August 10th, 2009
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You must have a good oral surgeon, some don't even bother spending more than a minute looking at the report itself.

I think MRI it allows for penetration of tissues, both soft and hard (bone, cartilage). As for the accuracy and interpretation of what is presented in the static image of the MRI - that's a different story. I am sure if they would perform arthroscopy just to visualize what's happening inside they would be able to add more information to what's already gathered by MRI, perhaps even realize that this guy (me) is not joking when he says "something is going on inside".
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