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Q: TMD, orthognathic surgery, neuromuscular dentistry
asked by: mandibleless on July 23rd, 2008
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Hi,

I'm a 45 YO female with facial asymmetry to the ear, retrognathia (mostly mandibular but also slight maxillary), and mild TMD. For the past several months I have been researching orthognathic surgery and considering it (both jaws, plus a septoplasty because of deviated nasal septum, and a sliding genioplasty). My craniofacial deformity is congenital rather than acquired, as you can see the retrognathia in my baby pics.

My TMD is mild to moderate (intermittent left TMJ click and facial pain daily).

Today I saw a neuromuscular dentist, and now I don't know what to think. He said that I don't need jaw surgery, I only need to give him $4000 for "phase I" (diagnostics plus an orthotic) and then we can take it from there. He also said that I need restorative dentistry (45 seems young for this to me) because my teeth have "flat planes" (lost their ridges) and I have "dropoff" (height of teeth on either side of center drops down on lowers). That would only cost about another $50,000, which I do not have.

I have decided to just take restorative dentistry out of the equation for now. Maybe when I'm 60.....

My jaws bother me for aesthetic reasons -- I have deep nasolabial folds, deep mental sulcus, and lower lip retrusion curl -- as well as possible mild functional issues (possible mild sleep apnea; borderline sleep study to be repeated).

My concerns are that: (1) I will undergo NMD and have slight/subtle improvement in the mandible but not enough to make me happy, but then an oral and maxillofacial surgeon will say that it is not severe enough to correct. (only a few "cosmetic" maxillofacial surgeons will do mild corrections) (2) I will undero orthognathic surgery and then for some reason not be a candidate for the NMD.

The prospect of wearing an orthotic does not appeal to me one bit.

Orthognathic surgery will, of course, entail some orthodontic work pre and post surgery, which I am afraid will make my TMD worse. (The NMD works with an orthodontist but that orthodontist does not do surgical cases, and I have to use an orthodontist that the surgeon will work with anyway.) Also, I have already worn braces twice, and I am worried about root resorption.

Any comments on the above? If anyone here is in the same boat that I'm in or have been down this road before, your feedback would be most appreciated. Thanks!
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TMJWorld
replied on July 23rd, 2008
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do the nmd--you wont regret it---you wont have slight results. i have the most sever case that my doc has seen and it did a world of good for me---i had structural problems and had to have surgery--now im good to go. I only wish that i had had nmd a long time ago. id do that first. if by thte time you are sixty--and you still want the surgey do it.
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mandibleless
replied on July 24th, 2008
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Hi Tmddyan,

Love that doggie!!! Smile

Thanks for your reply.

So, if I understand you correctly, you went through Phase I of NMD and then went on to have orthognathic surgery? Do you have before and after photos (b&a NMD & b&a orthognathic surgery)?

There is no way I am waiting til 60 for the surgery. Smile

The second round of orthodontics that I underwent basically got me comfortable holding the mandible in the advanced position -- the exact same thing that the orthotic of NMD would accomplish. So I know exactly how much aesthetic improvement to expect, and frankly it is minimal. Also, I have looked at many. many photos of retrognathic patients posted in the Testimonials section on the websites of NMDs. While they raved about the improvement in symptoms, none of those patients had the marked improvement that one sees with orthognathic surgery. (In other words, their faces are still out of balance.)

As stated, I do NOT want to wear some orthotic.

In addition, I need a septoplasty (it's deviated), and that can be done at the same time as the LeFort on the maxilla (which I was told needs to be advanced as well).

Finally, $4K is a lot of money to fork out for something that will leave me with compromised aesthetics. At the end of the day, my TMD symptoms are intermittent and mild, and my #1 complaint is the aesthetics. So I will keep researching, and *IF* I can find a surgeon who meets my criteria and whom I can also afford, I will proceed with the surgery. If not I will revisit the NMD issue.

OR I may revisit NMD if postop I still have TMJ problems. Will that be doable?
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TMJWorld
replied on July 25th, 2008
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well surgery is non reversable--if you do the surgery there isnt much point in going back. with nmd you only wear and orthotic for 3 months and its not really that noticable.----I had structural problems--namely my jaw kept growing and it was too big for my head. you may just want to do the surgery( although id hight ly recommend the nmd----) you want to do all conservative methods first though. If one really wants to get better they will do all things in order to get there--including an orthotic. if an nmd says that he can fix you with out surgey id trust him---they really know what they are doing.

if you want to know i had a left arthroplasty, a maxillary osteotomy le fort I proceedure and bilateral coronoidectomies.

i do have before and after photos--perhaps not the best email me if you want to see them.
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