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diamondsz
on October 3rd, 2008
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NeutralUsername wrote:
oopoopoop wrote:
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aochriss wrote:
A tumor is human life, so surgery to remove it kills human life.


No, it kills something that COMES from a human life. A fetus is not a body part, limb, organ, or something mutated from something. A fetus has it OWN body. Nice try. Stop being in denial about the fact that we all used to be a fetus.


You can't have it both ways. If it has iots own body, then it can just bloody well get out there and earn its own living.


We all had our own body in the womb, but we needed to be connected to our mother to receive our nutrients and oxygen because at that stage, we were just starting out and we were too vulnerable and new. It's only logical that we needed to be in a place like a womb.


but why do we need a womb if we are so independant of people?

What is the difference between a newborn and Z/e/f?

What does body mean? 2 arms/2legs which cant be seen the first few weeks?

How can we say they are the same? when they aren't?

Do children have the same rights as adults? Why not?
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NeutralUsername
replied on October 3rd, 2008
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diamondsz wrote:
NeutralUsername wrote:
oopoopoop wrote:
NeutralUsername wrote:
aochriss wrote:
A tumor is human life, so surgery to remove it kills human life.


No, it kills something that COMES from a human life. A fetus is not a body part, limb, organ, or something mutated from something. A fetus has it OWN body. Nice try. Stop being in denial about the fact that we all used to be a fetus.


You can't have it both ways. If it has iots own body, then it can just bloody well get out there and earn its own living.


We all had our own body in the womb, but we needed to be connected to our mother to receive our nutrients and oxygen because at that stage, we were just starting out and we were too vulnerable and new. It's only logical that we needed to be in a place like a womb.


but why do we need a womb if we are so independant of people?

I just said why and I never said we were independant. No human really is until they're old enough! But, in the womb we are a unique being.

What is the difference between a newborn and Z/e/f?
One is born, the other is unborn.

What does body mean? 2 arms/2legs which cant be seen the first few weeks?

A body doesn't neccesarily mean having limbs. A body is the physical structure and material substance of an animal. We used to be a zygote, embryo or fetus. We did not come from a zygote, embryo or fetus.

How can we say they are the same? when they aren't?
Of course they're not the same. A fetus is younger and still needs support from the mother's body. But, no stages of our life cycle are the same. A newborn is different from a toddler, a toddler is different than a school-age child, a child is different than an a adult...

Do children have the same rights as adults? Why not?
What kind of rights are you talking about here?

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replied on October 3rd, 2008
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NeutralUsername wrote:


We all had our own body in the womb, but we needed to be connected to our mother to receive our nutrients and oxygen because at that stage, we were just starting out and we were too vulnerable and new. It's only logical that we needed to be in a place like a womb.


My reaction to this is - Ya? And? It's a statement of fact, but it has nothing to do with whether or not a woman who does not want to be pregnant can abort this thing. If it's there in her womb, it is entirely at her discretion.
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aochriss
replied on October 7th, 2008
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diamondsz wrote:
NeutralUsername wrote:
aochriss wrote:
A tumor is human life, so surgery to remove it kills human life.


No, it kills something that COMES from a human life. A fetus is not a body part, limb, organ, or something mutated from something. A fetus has it OWN body. Nice try. Stop being in denial about the fact that we all used to be a fetus.


Funny an egg is produced by our body, it is released and then if the conditions are right, it attaches itself to our uterus, once impanted the cord takes nutrients from the uterus and provides the fertilized egg its substance for growth.

I would like to know how that doesnt sound like a tumour or even worse, no offence...


A tumor and an embryo are mirror images of one another.


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The development of the ovum (egg cell)
is a“mirror image” of tumor development.

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This phenomenon occurs during both embryonic development and in certain tumor cells, which in part explains why oncogenesis is sometimes described as the "mirror image" of embryogenesis."


Just type "embryo tumor mirror images" into google.
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Whip_Smart
replied on February 10th, 2009
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I think abortion is a choice and should be a choice. I personally would never have an abortion, because I believe that life begins at conception. And I think it is a sad and wrong thing to do. If one thinks because I say it's wrong that I'm saying they are wrong, then yes I guess I'm saying that. But it is your choice to be wrong and it's not my baby so I don't care what you do. You may choose to do anything else which is wrong, you can even break the laws, it is not me going to jail, it's you. You may choose to think a way that I don't, you can choose to say something I wouldn't. But I'm not going to walk on egg shells around you because you chose to have an abortion and I said something about not believing in it and because of some guilt trip you have you blow up at me. So if you had one, oh well, no skin off my back, but just shut up about it and don't make my life miserable. Keep quiet about it and people don't have to know, but if it bothers you, go see a doctor and talk. Cause you might need help. Before you have an abortion, think, would you perform one on someone else. Could you kill someone elses baby in them? This message I post is hypothetical and not intended for any one particular person. That's my disclaimer. Doctors should never be forced to perform them, lest we then have a totalitarian government. And also population control.
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diamondsz
replied on February 11th, 2009
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Whipped wrote:
. Doctors should never be forced to perform them, lest we then have a totalitarian government. And also population control.


Should doctor just refuse to do things they do not want to, what if they don't like performing surgery or hurting children but it needs to be done.

What if christian doctors refused muslims and muslim doctor refuse christians, we would have a real dilema or vice versa not trying to be discriminatory here. The problem with your statement is that if they were so unhappy with there job they could find another one.
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JulietlovesJesus
replied on February 25th, 2009
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If someone wants to have an abortion, the government says its legal. If the state said it's ok to jump off a bridge would you? The government that is the highest in any matter is God's. If the government said no more aortions were allowed, do you really think, girls would spread their legs as much. God thing you got pregnant, you could have gotten aids. Do you really trust condoms either to protect you? All the condom companies think about is making money, not about the effects of fornication.
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diamondsz
replied on February 25th, 2009
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JulietlovesJesus wrote:
If someone wants to have an abortion, the government says its legal. If the state said it's ok to jump off a bridge would you? The government that is the highest in any matter is God's. If the government said no more aortions were allowed, do you really think, girls would spread their legs as much. God thing you got pregnant, you could have gotten aids. Do you really trust condoms either to protect you? All the condom companies think about is making money, not about the effects of fornication.


If god told you to jump off a bridge would you?

I'm an atheist and my government is the government that everyone follows, you beleifs only matter to those who follow your beliefs!

fornication is only a sin if you think it is.

"Do you really think girls would spread their legs so much."
You mean did a guy stick his thing in their Oh that guy is such a SL*T~!

My god is a purple unicorn but I also believe in Aliens, flying teacups, lepercauns and faeries because they say abortion is okay.

Sex is normal and pregnancy isn't (read up on obstetrics and how it requires unnatural processes.)
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DamianaRaven
replied on February 26th, 2009
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The main problem I have with pro-life advocates is that they seem most vocal about the rights of those who wouldn't know a right from a baked potato. Millions of independent, sentient children live in abject poverty, misery, squalor, and brutality, but does anyone hold rallies or carry picket signs for them? Do pro-lifers consider that overpopulation may have had the slightest influence on these children's lives? If you could (theoretically, of course) explain to a nine-year-old prostitute the difference between the life she lives and never having been born, what do think she would yearn for? How many people are walking this earth wishing they'd never been born? Funny how nobody gets passionate about whether or not they ever got their "chance" to be happy and productive members of society.
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aochriss
replied on February 26th, 2009
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JulietlovesJesus, I couldn't understand your post. Jesus was well educated, and he could read and write properly. If you are such a strong believer, you should strive to be more like him.
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