You make no sense whatsoever. This has no relevance on the abortion debate. Please go back under the bridge from whence you came.

"zef" is shorthand. There is no conspiracy.

There ISN'T????

The reason we abbreviate it is because the time span between them are so short (9wks (11wks) from egg to fetus). No other developmental levels are that close together, and therefore we can call those individually (infant, toddler, adolescent, adult)

thats a pretty darn sickly shade of grey.

People say z/e/f because no two abortions are the same. The unborn child can be in any of these stages when the abortion itself is performed. It can be a zygote if the pregnancy is terminated immediately when the mother discovers she's pregnant, or it can be an embryo if the mother terminates a few weeks into the pregnancy. Or it can even be a fetus if the mother does not terminate until the 10th week of pregnancy or beyond. Z/e/f is a blanket term for the different stages of development at which the abortion is performed.

But of course you knew all of that already. You're choosing a very weak argument, you know. Z/e/f is an abbreviation of scientific terms, so instead of being able to blame us for using terrible words, you imply we're using these terms to "dehumanize" the unborn.

By the way, did you ever find proof that a zygote can be taken from it's dead mother's womb and transferred to another? And are you still under the delusion that unborn babies don't need their mothers to breathe for them? You're doing a fine job of dodging my questions.

a mother can be adolescent or adult yet the word "adad" or "aa" isn't used once but the word mother is use 5 times. pretty bad example of how abortionists are not hypocrites.

adad and aa are not accepted terms. Why are you trying to convince us they are?

Because the only way he can feel like he's "winning" an argument is to invent new ways pro-choicers are "hypocrits".

You haven't answered my questions, Antrise. Why are you avoiding them?

The pro-choice movement is hypocritical....loaded with double standards and false doctrines.

The original "Roe"-never had an abortion and furthermore became pro-life

In Roe vs. Wade- the decision was based on a right to privacy NEVER described by the founding fathers however, a right to life IS.

Feminists Pro-choicers declare themselves as independent and fearless but cringe (as an abortion standpoint) in fear at giving a child the chance at life that they already enjoy.

You declare any pro-life opinion as "propaganda" but are infused with the liberal mindset that all opinions should be heard.

and it goes on and on....

It doesn't matter if Roe ended up with an abortion. She deserved the right to choose to get one if she wanted, and a SAFE one at that - not resorting to using a coat hanger or going to some back-alley abortionist. All women deserve proper medical treatment. This is not a third world country, and it's disgusting that people want to push us backwards and force women to seek unsafe treatments for unwanted pregnancies.

And really, you need to let go of this idea that pro-choice means only pro-abortion. Pro-choice supports ALL choices concerning a pregnancy. That means we support parenting the child, giving the child up for adoption, or seeking a safe abortion performed by trained medical professionals. In fact, if you'll get off your pedestal for two seconds and skip over to the Medical Abortion forum, you'll find many pro-choicers talking a woman OUT OF ABORTION when she mentions she isn't sure she wants to do it. Why would we do that if we were so gung-ho about killing fetuses right and left?

And no, pro-life opinions aren't always propaganda... but when people hold up signs outside of abortion clinics with fully-formed babies labeled as 6 week embryos... that's a flat-out LIE designed to trick these women into thinking they're killing something that looks like a newborn instead of something that looks like a pig fetus. (Hey, don't get mad. Do some research. It DOES look like a pig fetus.)

Hum... when the mother of the pro-choice movement becomes pro-life and leaves you doesn't that say something?...maybe you can't see that?

If you run into a person while driving a car... can you destroy the car and act like it never happened? If a woman has consensual sex and becomes pregnant, who is she to wave her finger and decide the life of a separate developing organism?

"All women deserve proper medical treatment."--correction all PEOPLE unless you are a sexist???

Hey, don't get mad. Do some research. It DOES look like a pig fetus

--- YOU once looked like a pig fetus might I remind you?!

And so did you. Does that bother you? It doesn't bother me at all. It's simply science. Apparently it bothers some pro-lifers though, to the point of not using accurate representations of pregnancy on their signs outside of abortion clinics. Why would pro-life have to lie about babies being more developed and cuter than they really are, unless they were trying to mislead women?

I don't care about the mother of the pro-choice movement. I form my own opinions based on my experiences and things I've encountered and determined. At one point when I was younger and more naive, I thought women were selfish creatures for daring to have sex and then abort. Then I opened my mind and actually experienced more of life (including a pregnancy of my own), and now I simply believe women should be given the opportunity to choose for themselves. I couldn't care less about Roe and the decision she made. I'm just happy she was free to make one, as well as every other woman in this country.

And my dear boy, don't correct me. Pro-life doesn't want women to get proper medical treatment for unwanted pregnancies, yourself included. I'm not the sexist here.

Consensual sex does not mean consensual pregnancy.

Why would pro-life have to lie about babies being more developed and cuter than they really are, unless they were trying to mislead women?

They don't, they just point out the scientific facts that describe the fast development stages.

"And my dear boy, don't correct me. Pro-life doesn't want women to get proper medical treatment for unwanted pregnancies, yourself included"

My dear girl...Medical treatment is supposed to be used to save a persons life not destroy it!

Consensual sex does not mean consensual pregnancy.--- nope it means a woman will have unprotected sex and won't take responsibility for her actions. (this works for men too)

That's exactly what a professional abortion does. It saves the mother's life. She does not have to rely on some freak with dirty tools giving her a life-threatening infection, or overdosing on aspirin and sleeping pills in the hopes it will cause a miscarriage, or throw herself down a flight of stairs, or assault herself with a wire coathanger. Pro-life doesn't care about the mother though, as long as they save the unborn child. And as soon as they've saved one child, they're on to the next one. No one cares about the thousands of children abandoned in foster homes and orphanages desperate for homes. Hey, at least they're alive. They should be grateful they're being molested, neglected, abused and left alone and depressed... life is such a blessing!

Abortion is taking responsibility. Ignoring the pregnancy, giving birth in a public bathroom and then dumping your newborn in a dumpster... THAT is not taking responsibility.

And you should take a closer look at the propaganda pro-lifers use on women. You're fooling yourself if you think they're using scientific facts.

Just as a side issue, the USA is not the only country in the world. If you are going to debate a large issue, it helps to recognise that there are other countries out there. Roe vs Wade has nothing to do with abortion or choice for the vast majority of the world's population. A lot of posters on this forum are not American.

In Canada, for instance, the key individual is Dr. Henry Morgenthaler (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Morgen taler).

"No one cares about the thousands of children abandoned in foster homes and orphanages desperate for homes"----HOW DO YOU KNOW?! I WAS IN THE SYSTEM AND WAS ADOPTED! you don't know what you're talking about.

"Ignoring the pregnancy, giving birth in a public bathroom and then dumping your newborn in a dumpster... THAT is not taking responsibility"

---and abortion just kills them earlier!

Maybe someone with more time will humor you with the statistics of the foster care system of the United States. I'm about to leave for work.

And yes, abortions are performed before the unborn child is aware or able to feel pain, whereas a newborn child is fully aware of the water in its lungs as it drowns in the toilet, or the cold of the air as it dies from exposure in the dumpster. Abortion isn't humane at ALL, is it?

"And yes, abortions are performed before the unborn child is aware or able to feel pain"

so if a person can't feel pain it's alright to kill them too?