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replied December 29th, 2008
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Re: The highly proclaimed "right to life"
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The right to “Life” what does it mean?
Merriam Webster dictionary
5 a: the period from birth to death b: a specific phase of earthly existence <adult life> c: the period from an event until death d: a sentence of imprisonment for the remainder of a convict's life6: a way or manner of living7: LIVELIHOOD8: a vital or living being ; specifically : PERSON <many lives were lost in the disaster>

So the whole context has been misused, once again nowhere did it say unborn…..
Life and live pretty much the same thing just different context or pretenses..

I believe in a right to live “to have a life rich in experience” but we all know how many will deny this. My problem with pro-life is how they are living yet they will deny the right for others to live in their own way, somehow your life is less meaningful when you are pregnant.

The other thing I noticed is that pro-life care about the unborn but how many single moms or any mother need assistance and how many actually receive it? Need I say more?

When has pro-choice ever harmed anyones right to live or life?
the meaning of "right to life" is found in the declaration of independence written by thomas jefferson in the year 1776. the declaration of independence is the founding document of the united states of america and the basis of the constution of the united states of america. every time a person is killed with an abortion pro-choice violates the right to life which is well into the millions by now and with the mandatory abortions of china probably well into the billions very soon. but of course most people agree with you about the self centered whims of pompous females being the true basis of their society.
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IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America
hen in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. — And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.
-John Hancock

Please please tell me where it says in the Declaration of Independence that abortion is illegal or a violation of the right to life.
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And as for women being the "true basis of society", if that were true, then why is there no female president? Why do we stil have trouble getting equal treatment in some areas?
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I love the idea that the "Right to Life" only exists in the USA! Ha ha. Like, anyone else on the planet cares what it says in your declaration of independence?
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motherofhighspiritedones wrote:
And as for women being the "true basis of society", if that were true, then why is there no female president? Why do we stil have trouble getting equal treatment in some areas?
perhaps because presidents get assisinated and women don't want to risk their lives for the freedom they take for granted. i don't know why women are not required to register for the selective service, perhaps they don't want equal treatment, perhaps they are satisfied with their superior position.
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motherofhighspiritedones wrote:
IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America
hen in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. — And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.
-John Hancock

Please please tell me where it says in the Declaration of Independence that abortion is illegal or a violation of the right to life.
the declaration of independence is the principles that america is founded on, not the laws that protect those principles. the the self evident truth that people are created equal and they are naturally endowed with the right to life means that abortion is a violation of the right to life which should be fairly obvious if pro-choices weren't clouded by their desire to play god.
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Once again phlem, WHERE IN THE DECLARATION DOES IT SAY ABORTION VIOLATES THE RIGHT TO LIFE?
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motherofhighspiritedones wrote:
Once again phlem, WHERE IN THE DECLARATION DOES IT SAY ABORTION VIOLATES THE RIGHT TO LIFE?
you really expect thomas jefferson should have listed every method of killing or maiming people rather than simple phrase "right to life". even so abortion wasn't even a method of killing people when the declaration of independence was written. and not only that when the declararation of independence was written most families were rural and children were highly valued. families with more than ten children were not uncommon and the people were happy and proud to have them. what possible reason could you have for asking why a document written well before the instution of abortion does not mention abortion?
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phlem wrote:


the declaration of independence is the principles that america is founded on, not the laws that protect those principles. the the self evident truth that people are created equal and they are naturally endowed with the right to life means that abortion is a violation of the right to life which should be fairly obvious if pro-choices weren't clouded by their desire to play god.



Why because I can thin for myself, does thinking implement that I play god because then we need to talk about all the educated class...

People are created equally, then explain to me how it takes two people to creat a pregnancy and how the majority of the time it is left in the hands of a mother? It was only cared for during the pregnancy and alot of time left with a Arse of a father?

Created equal would mean that mean would be getting vasectomies should they ot want children and woman would be making the most of their lives or vice-versa!
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diamondsz wrote:
phlem wrote:


the declaration of independence is the principles that america is founded on, not the laws that protect those principles. the the self evident truth that people are created equal and they are naturally endowed with the right to life means that abortion is a violation of the right to life which should be fairly obvious if pro-choices weren't clouded by their desire to play god.



Why because I can thin for myself, does thinking implement that I play god because then we need to talk about all the educated class...

People are created equally, then explain to me how it takes two people to creat a pregnancy and how the majority of the time it is left in the hands of a mother? It was only cared for during the pregnancy and alot of time left with a Arse of a father?

Created equal would mean that mean would be getting vasectomies should they ot want children and woman would be making the most of their lives or vice-versa!
is this person from another planet? what the heck does create a pregnancy mean?
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phlem wrote:
motherofhighspiritedones wrote:
Once again phlem, WHERE IN THE DECLARATION DOES IT SAY ABORTION VIOLATES THE RIGHT TO LIFE?
you really expect thomas jefferson should have listed every method of killing or maiming people rather than simple phrase "right to life". even so abortion wasn't even a method of killing people when the declaration of independence was written. and not only that when the declararation of independence was written most families were rural and children were highly valued. families with more than ten children were not uncommon and the people were happy and proud to have them. what possible reason could you have for asking why a document written well before the instution of abortion does not mention abortion?
Sorry, you are wrong. Abortion has been done since the beginning of humanity.
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motherofhighspiritedones wrote:
phlem wrote:
motherofhighspiritedones wrote:
Once again phlem, WHERE IN THE DECLARATION DOES IT SAY ABORTION VIOLATES THE RIGHT TO LIFE?
you really expect thomas jefferson should have listed every method of killing or maiming people rather than simple phrase "right to life". even so abortion wasn't even a method of killing people when the declaration of independence was written. and not only that when the declararation of independence was written most families were rural and children were highly valued. families with more than ten children were not uncommon and the people were happy and proud to have them. what possible reason could you have for asking why a document written well before the instution of abortion does not mention abortion?
Sorry, you are wrong. Abortion has been done since the beginning of humanity.
recorded history is a slight fraction of the duration of humanity.so you couldn't possibly know that. the basic flaw of your reasoning seems to be that you are clumping the use of substances such as herbs that might induce miscarriage with the modern technologies of abortion. and the use of substances that might induce miscarriage is not what this debate is about. and i think you know that and are trying to confuse the issue. even so if a woman at the time and place of the revolution and the declaration of independence was known to be using substances to induce miscarriage she probably would have been labeled a witch and dealt with accordingly.
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I think leaving them out in the snow if they are girls is another good one.
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phlem wrote:
motherofhighspiritedones wrote:
phlem wrote:
motherofhighspiritedones wrote:
Once again phlem, WHERE IN THE DECLARATION DOES IT SAY ABORTION VIOLATES THE RIGHT TO LIFE?
you really expect thomas jefferson should have listed every method of killing or maiming people rather than simple phrase "right to life". even so abortion wasn't even a method of killing people when the declaration of independence was written. and not only that when the declararation of independence was written most families were rural and children were highly valued. families with more than ten children were not uncommon and the people were happy and proud to have them. what possible reason could you have for asking why a document written well before the instution of abortion does not mention abortion?
Sorry, you are wrong. Abortion has been done since the beginning of humanity.
recorded history is a slight fraction of the duration of humanity.so you couldn't possibly know that. the basic flaw of your reasoning seems to be that you are clumping the use of substances such as herbs that might induce miscarriage with the modern technologies of abortion. and the use of substances that might induce miscarriage is not what this debate is about. and i think you know that and are trying to confuse the issue. even so if a woman at the time and place of the revolution and the declaration of independence was known to be using substances to induce miscarriage she probably would have been labeled a witch and dealt with accordingly.
any substance that expells a zygote/embryo/fetus IS an abortion, be it herbs or D&C. So you are flawed in YOUR argument.
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motherofhighspiritedones wrote:
phlem wrote:
motherofhighspiritedones wrote:
phlem wrote:
motherofhighspiritedones wrote:
Once again phlem, WHERE IN THE DECLARATION DOES IT SAY ABORTION VIOLATES THE RIGHT TO LIFE?
you really expect thomas jefferson should have listed every method of killing or maiming people rather than simple phrase "right to life". even so abortion wasn't even a method of killing people when the declaration of independence was written. and not only that when the declararation of independence was written most families were rural and children were highly valued. families with more than ten children were not uncommon and the people were happy and proud to have them. what possible reason could you have for asking why a document written well before the instution of abortion does not mention abortion?
Sorry, you are wrong. Abortion has been done since the beginning of humanity.
recorded history is a slight fraction of the duration of humanity.so you couldn't possibly know that. the basic flaw of your reasoning seems to be that you are clumping the use of substances such as herbs that might induce miscarriage with the modern technologies of abortion. and the use of substances that might induce miscarriage is not what this debate is about. and i think you know that and are trying to confuse the issue. even so if a woman at the time and place of the revolution and the declaration of independence was known to be using substances to induce miscarriage she probably would have been labeled a witch and dealt with accordingly.
any substance that expells a zygote/embryo/fetus IS an abortion, be it herbs or D&C. So you are flawed in YOUR argument.
what arguement? flawed how?
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Read what you wrote.
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how is scraping a substance? or are you calling the people that do the scraping a substance? and what on earth makes you think americans were doing that two hundred and fifty years ago?
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Someone is being kept in a dark room without access to newspapers, or reality.
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Just as one can abort by getting their uterus scraped, phlem, one can also abort by taking certain herbs or PILLS, hence the abortion pill. And when the heck did I say scraping was a substance? Or even say anything about substances or people who scrape being substances...go back to your little hole, phlem.
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