Thank you.I totally agree.

Then we have the weird, supposedly "heterosexual" haters who are fixated on our lives and judging us as if they were GOD..people like - well,I wont call him out but he knows who he is - who I believe to be a closeted homosexual himself,that is why he is always harping on it. He is fixated as a lot of religious zealots are. Every straight man I know who is comfortable with his own sexuality has no problem with GLBT people. Same goes for straight women.If they are truly straight then they don't care who you or I love.And if they are true Christians then they wouldn't be judging an entire community...one out of ten people is GLBT.That isn't Gods mistake,its just the way it is and it is beautiful! God doesn't make mistakes and he made GLBT people..as well as gay and lesbian animals..if you believe in God that is...

Like women in the 1920's not having the right to vote and black people in 1865 not being free and interracial couples in the 1960's not being able to marry,we will eventually have the same basic human rights as every straight male and female out there.We shall over come! Count on it!
Peace and Love and human rights for us all,
Homer

Well i believe (I have no actual proof of this btw) there are a very small number of homosexuals due to a mishap in nature but the vast majority of homosexuals are a result of social conditioning. I also believe that the "gay pride" and the Gay rights movement is bad for the homosexual community.

I can actually understand where you're coming from on this one because I feel the same about making a big deal out of being black or female for example. The thing is though, certain groups have had to fight for a long time (and are still fighting) to be considered equal in society so it's only natural for there to be a backlash and a whole 'I'm gay/black/female and proud!' movement. I'm confident that once the bigotry and ignorance dies out and humanity evolves past such nonsense then such movements will no longer be necessary. That's my hope anyway.

Well my concerns for the homosexual is beyond the whole making too much about it. There is that too of course, but I fear tptb established the gay rights movement along with feminist movement etc to further their own agenda, I fear for the homosexual community because the Gay rights movement (most of whom are not gay themselves) are being guided down the same path as the muslims in the 90's and (taken it to the extreeme here) everyone hates muslims now.

So are you saying that it's anti-gay people who are posing as gay pride members in order to bring down the movement from within?

Not really, but it is possible but I am sure the majority of the people are well intended. But there could be one or two people not necisarly involved in the movement that are pushing the agenda in a certain way that maybe deteremental to the homosexual community.

Durring the 90's in the UK it was politically incorect to say anything that could be deemed derogatory about imigrent muslims and there was a big push to vanquish discrimination towards imigrant muslims... A Good thing in my book. However what it eventually transformed into was actual preferential treatment of muslims over the general population. Muslims would get a job over a british citizen because directives had gone out that companies had to show that they were activly employing muslims, muslims would get preferential treatment on housing (as reported in the news of the world in the 90's - sorry cant find link, but if I do I will post it) etc.

Immigrants would also get huge benefits, there were reports of immigrants getting put up in hotels paid for by the government and also get to drive around in luxury cars, while the ordinary british public lost jobs, had to wait longer for housing and get by on low benefits.

People were upset by this and would speak out now again but always got hit with the â??racistâ?? term. They used fear and social conditioning to frighten people into silence. So when after a decade of manipulation when the political landscape changed due to 9/11 (who done it) then it was politically correct to be patriotic and against terrorists who just happened to be muslims, the powers that be could implement laws to arrest muslims on suspicion of terrorism and the general public sick of the preferential treatment in the 90â??s would not offer too much resistance.

Now the bible is getting banned its obvious Christians are going to be the new terrorists, they are pushing the homosexual agenda to create tension between the two groups, pass laws against Christians using homosexuality as a means to do so.

See Here Regarding how Christians the next terrorists (fictional story but none the less media manipulation)

Also they are pushing the homosexual agenda like they did the muslims in the 90â??s when they achieve their goals with the Christians, eventually there is going to be at least a backlash against homosexuals and they will be ready for it, it may even be a manipulated backlash to achieve a goal against homosexuals.

I love Muslim people.They don't frighten me at all and I have some very close friends who are Muslim...lets mot throw everyone into one basket.People are not cookie cutter..we are all different.
By the way,Gu£st, I have seen your other posts on "homosexuals" and the "gay agenda" and I think you are either a deep closet case with severe issues or are just a little paranoid about every thing and every one...

Ummm....OK.... ...that was weird.So most people in the Gay Rights Movement are not gay? That is a first. I never knew that.Interesting... I cant wrap my head around that statement...I don't think I want to either.

I can understand this as well, its like wanting rights but then at the same time wanting to be different, which is what I dont agree with. Sometimes, in my case for example alot of females call themselves bi-sexual to recieve male attraction/attention, although I do not agree with this and it irritates me when I'm deemed to be confused or into threesomes. I like a monogamous relationship with preferably a female, although I was married to male for awhile, so technically I just go after someone whom I am attracted to and think has a great personality, regardless of sex.

I don't brag about my sexuality but sometimes I do tell people but I can see your point, some can take it to an extent well beyond but I also recieved womans right because some chick decided to parade it.

In regards to feminism, I am a feminist, my views are social equality of the sexes, I do not notice differences, instead I see both sides equally at fault and sometimes woman because they have not wanted to change.

I don't consider Matriarchs or woman hating men feminists, instead they are radical.

NEWS FLASH! Homosexuals are NOT a mistake of nature...maybe you are.Did you ever consider that you are the freak on this planet and not GLBT people?

please homerx, dont jump on me as someone who hates homosexuals.

"Homosexuals are NOT a mistake of nature"

who told you this and why did you believe them?


I would say most people involved in gay rights are not Gay

there are a lot of men who are feminists and a lot of white people were part of the civil rights movement.

my hope is someday we won't have these dichotomies between gay and straight, male and female, black and white...they are social constructs and they set us up to be overly conscious of our differences and our fears.

a man and a woman can be different but they don't have to be opposites.

when you set them up to be opposites then they are set up to oppose each other.

if we automatically label something then we have already judged it.

As a gay man no one had to tell me anything,I live it,bro.Who told you homosexuals are a mistake of nature and why do you believe them? Also, as a man who has been on the gay rights movement since 1975 I think I would know better than you that most people who fight for gay rights are either gay themselves or they are allies.Just like killbill says,it takes a village.Black and white came together for civil rights,men fought for womens rights next to women and some straight people stand next to gay people for human rights.Its called being human and having compassion for our fellow humans.Fighting for what is right and not being a Mister Holier Than Thow Zelot.

Right On...very true.

And Gu£st, the words you say are very harmful to GLBT and questioning youth.Its statements like your that get people beaten and worse. You really should think about the big picture and get out of your own head once in a while.You are dangerous.Young impressionable GLBT youth could read the crap you spout and commit suicide or who knows what so please try to be a little more sensitive since you are such a good christian.... you may want to try compassion and understanding as a start...

Gay or straight, whats wrong with supporting gay rights, why should someone be a certain label in order to support what and who they are?

But you do...its self hatred for your closeted sexuality...You cant say that one out of every 10 people are a mistake and then say you don't hate homosexuals.You do if you think we are Gods mistake.(if God was real would he be making any mistakes at all ever?After all,he is GOD and doesn't or shouldn't make mistakes)
Dude,be real.I am truly worried about what you may do at some point because of your deep seeded hatred for homosexuals( which is in fact self loathing because of your unrecognized homosexuality)..its scary and seems to be getting worse as the months pass.No one has responded to your radical preacher threads for a reason.Because they are extreme and radical in there disgust for a entire group of people.Seek help.Go to a councilor and find out where this judgmental obsession for gays comes from.If you aren't a latent homosexual yourself then why are you so obsessed with the idea of two grown men or women loving each other? Is it because you wish to God you could be free and open with yourself? Quit caring so much about what people might think of you and be real and be yourself...even if it means you are gay.Its OK.Chill out..relax and don't be such a hatter..Are you going to go to a gay bar and start shooting people at some point because you want to be like us and just don't have the balls? Please get help.Your obsession with our life's is not healthy.And like I said before,real straight men don't care what gay men are doing.they just don't.Its the closet cases that beat and harass and preach hate..love yourself and be real with yourself and you will be able to love every one as humans who deserve the same respect and rights as you.

Yep.

If you think simply being attracted to someone of the same sex is due to a mishap in nature, are you also saying that it is a mental disability? I'm just trying to see what kind of mishap homosexuality is supposed to be to you.

"As a gay man no one had to tell me anything,I live it,bro.Who told you homosexuals are a mistake of nature and why do you believe them? Also, as a man who has been on the gay rights movement since 1975 I think I would know better than you that most people who fight for gay rights are either gay themselves or they are allies.Just like killbill says,it takes a village.Black and white came together for civil rights,men fought for womens rights next to women and some straight people stand next to gay people for human rights.Its called being human and having compassion for our fellow humans.Fighting for what is right and not being a Mister Holier Than Thow Zelot."

First of all i can see your upset, that you think i am attacking you and homosexuals... nothing could be further from the truth. I believe that the vast vast majority of people involved in gay rights are allies of the homosexual community, and there is nothing wrong in supporting rights for homosexuals but its obvious the gay rights movement is being used politically to further the governments agenda of outlawing Christianity.... now i know for a certain fact that most homosexuals dont want that, they want to be left alone to live their lives in peace.

"And Gu£st, the words you say are very harmful to GLBT and questioning youth.Its statements like your that get people beaten and worse. You really should think about the big picture and get out of your own head once in a while.You are dangerous.Young impressionable GLBT youth could read the crap you spout and commit suicide or who knows what so please try to be a little more sensitive since you are such a good christian.... you may want to try compassion and understanding as a start..."

Well Homerx, I want you to know something, i am going to empower you to see the reality if you so choose. I mean this from the bottom of my heart.

Do not be affraid you are not a victim, you are not defined as who you are by your sexuality, you are not inferior because of your sexuality, you have intrinsic dignity as a human being and should demand respect as such regardless of your sexuality. Gay pride tells you that you are hated because your a homosexual, I am saying you are loved because you are a human being.... wake up, Gay pride is making you a victim, not me.


"But you do...its self hatred for your closeted sexuality...You cant say that one out of every 10 people are a mistake and then say you don't hate homosexuals."

That is senseless, i never said people are a mistake, i said homosexuality is sometimes a mistake, i honestly believe that there is a certain amount of social conditioning too.

"You do if you think we are Gods mistake.(if God was real would he be making any mistakes at all ever?After all,he is GOD and doesn't or shouldn't make mistakes)"

I am sure you dont want me to get into Christian theology and bore you. but that is not correct reasoning.

"Dude,be real.I am truly worried about what you may do at some point because of your deep seeded hatred for homosexuals( which is in fact self loathing because of your unrecognized homosexuality)..its scary and seems to be getting worse as the months pass."

I am not against homosexuals, however you have been conditioned to respond like this, Your so indoctrinated that you can not see, your programmed to respond like this.

ANYONE who says anything negitive about Gay rights is a homophobic, who has closeted homosexual tendancies.

1. Its a nasty thing being called homophobic it means (your affraid of Homosexuals) but it has transmuted to mean you hate homosexuals and want to destroy them.
2. You use Closet homosexual references to debunk what i say.

so your trying to use intellectual facism in order to control how and what I speak about and also to effect how others percieve anyone who says anything remotley negitive about homosexual rights...... do you not see this?


"No one has responded to your radical preacher threads for a reason.Because they are extreme and radical in there disgust for a entire group of people.Seek help.Go to a councilor and find out where this judgmental obsession for gays comes from."

Its time for you to wake up.


"If you aren't a latent homosexual yourself then why are you so obsessed with the idea of two grown men or women loving each other?"

I am not, my point is not about homosexuality at all its about a certain movement

"Is it because you wish to God you could be free and open with yourself?"

mate, i am not against you, honest to god!

"Quit caring so much about what people might think of you and be real and be yourself...even if it means you are gay.Its OK.Chill out..relax and don't be such a hatter..Are you going to go to a gay bar and start shooting people at some point because you want to be like us and just don't have the balls?"

I have no hatred for homosexuals.



"Please get help.Your obsession with our life's is not healthy.And like I said before,real straight men don't care what gay men are doing.they just don't.Its the closet cases that beat and harass and preach hate..love yourself and be real with yourself and you will be able to love every one as humans who deserve the same respect and rights as you."

The Gay rights movement is being used my friend.. please wake up.


BTW - I do not believe homosexuality is a mental disability, its social conditioning.

Its crazy talk but its all good...Its like.. ....talking to a wall.You are a walking contradiction, I'll give you that.

OK,you don't hate homos,you just find them to be Gods mistake.Its like trying to tell a bear how good it is to be a vegetarian,it just cant be done.there is no comprehension or understanding.And I guess that is OK.It has to be.You cant make some one see the light.You can hope and pray that they do but you cant force it.You can lead a horse to water but you cant make him drink.Pearls before swine...its redundant.

So,with that being said,have a great day and try to focus on something besides gays,lesbians,bisexuals and transgendered people.There are real problems on this planet and with your passion you could really make a difference in a positive way. Lighten up on minorities and do some good on this planet...isn't that what your God would want?

Be cool.
Homer