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Q: The adoption alternative
asked by: DamianaRaven on February 26th, 2009
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I've noticed that adoption is a solution offered by many to those who are facing an unplanned/unwanted pregnancy. Having given a child up for adoption, I know that this isn't quite the magical fix-it that some seem to think it is. For one thing, no matter how much you thought you didn't want to have a baby and how surely you knew that you couldn't give a child the life it deserves, it is AGONIZING to part with a baby you've given birth to. Not many women can face the pain and grief that they'll have to go through, which is why so many adoptions fall through at the last minute.

Furthermore, even though it seems like there's an endless supply of childless couples dying to adopt a baby, few people realize that if your baby isn't white and 100% healthy, there might actually be a problem with finding a home. Nowadays, even couples who are willing to accept a black or bi-racial baby face problems with the numerous agencies and advocates who believe black children should only be raised by black families. Never mind that there are far more black babies than families willing/qualified to adopt them. Therefore, if you're a young black girl who wants to choose adoption, you could very well be told that your baby will have to placed in a group-home (which is what we're calling the orphanage these days) or be shuffled through foster homes until a suitable family with the right skin color is found. There's not such a controversy about Hispanic babies but with the Hispanic population increasing in this country, it won't be long before another advocacy group decides that white families will also rob those babies of their proud heritage and noble birthright.

Even if your baby is the right color to ensure that a willing family will be allowed to adopt it, what if the baby isn't healthy? Even though there are many families and couples who are compassionate and loving enough to take any child they can get, there are just as many (if not more) who don't want one with Down's syndrome, brain damage, a defective heart, undeveloped lungs, blindness, deafness, or any of the thousands of conditions that a child can be born with. "We just want a healthy baby," many of them will state without the slightest compunction. "It isn't that we're being selfish, you understand. We're just not equipped to deal with a special-needs child." I think anyone who feels this way shouldn't be allowed to adopt any child, but agencies who want to protect their profit margins will definitely pander to the wishes of their clients and skip right over the "defective products" in search of that perfect, rosy-cheeked bundle of joy.

The point I'm trying to make is not that adoption isn't a wonderful alternative to abortion. (After what I went through, nobody had better accuse me of that!) I was lucky enough to find a family while I was pregnant who said that they would make that child their own no matter what, just as they would if the wife were actually pregnant. However, I'm educated enough to know that it doesn't work that way all the time. Then what? A young girl who was told that adoption would be the perfect answer is suddenly faced with the agonizing fact that the couple she (or the agency) chose backed out when they learned that her baby was... let's say, for example, born with a hole in its heart. It's going to be a few weeks before they can place the child, but don't worry... there's a facility nearby that will see to the baby's needs until someone is found.

Now, it doesn't matter how badly she didn't want a baby, unless she's just utterly heartless, a woman is going to feel love and attachment to anything she's carried in her body for nine months. If suddenly forced to decide between keeping her baby and letting it be put in some "facility" until someone decides it's good enough for them, many women will decide that their baby deserves to be loved from the start and take it home. Now, you've got a woman trapped by circumstance into not only having a baby she didn't want (or wanted badly and couldn't care for) but caring for one that's even more beyond her ability.

I just wanted to point this out in the hopes that those who say "adoption is always the answer" will realize that life is never as simple in practice as it was on paper.
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motherofhighspiritedones
replied on February 27th, 2009
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I agree. Also, I would like to add how hard it is for a child to be placed in an adoptive home after suffering extreme abuse. I am an example. I was considered "older, with mental/emotional/bonding deficits due to mental, phyisical, sexual, emotional abuse and neglect". Took them 5 years to place me in a permanent adoptive home. Not just that, some people, and this is a FACT, no matter how cruel it seems, will adopt a child just for tax purposes. You get a hefty deduction for adoption. Also, parents that adopt, at least in my case, but I'm fairly sure its almost universal, get free medical insurance (Medicaid)for that child until that child turns 18. Adoption is an option, but so is abortion, and both can be the right decision. And both can be extremely hard. NEITHER is the "easy way" out.
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replied on February 27th, 2009
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First off, I want to reiterate that adoption is a solution to not wanting to parent. It is not a solution to not wanting to be pregnant. Great for someone who doesn't mind going through an uncomfortable, restrictive and potentially damaging process, but I just can't see why anyone who discovers they are 8 weeks pregnant and doesn't want a child should even consider going through another seven months of increasing demands on their body. It doesn't compute.

Moreover, from what I can see, giving up a child for adoption is really not a socially-acceptable option in many situations. Certainly in the UK, teenagers are in no way encouraged to give up a baby if they don't want an abortion. Once it is known they were pregnant, I think their family and friends would be absolutely horrified if they gave the child up. A married couple where the woman became pregnant? No way -- if she went on to have the baby, even if she definitely did not want children and was completely unsuitable as a parent. There would be NO WAY to say, "I don't believe in abortion, I gave it up for adoption." It would be regarded as outrageous, callous, shameful.
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aochriss
replied on February 27th, 2009
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I cannot imagine anyone going through the horrible ordeal of pregnancy and childbirth just to give the baby up for adoption. WHY go through all of that pain?
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Darkmoon
replied on February 27th, 2009
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aochriss wrote:
I cannot imagine anyone going through the horrible ordeal of pregnancy and childbirth just to give the baby up for adoption. WHY go through all of that pain?


I know a prolifer on another board that thinks pain during childbirth is something women can consciously choose to have or not to have. glance

She thinks that pleasure during birth is the rule and not the exception because she found reports that in some extremely RARE cases (like one in a million) some women have orgasms during the passing of the infant through the birth canal. Every time anyone mentions the agony of childbirth this person basically accuses them of being delusional and insists that childbirth is not only a pleasant experience, but better than oral sex! Shocked Um, yeah. Some chick across the ocean got a tickle in her g-spot when she was passing the baby so I'm supposed to revel in the idea of tearing from one hole to the other (or being sliced with scissors) or having my abdomen cut open and all that pain? Nah, that's really just orgasmic pleasure. I've got news for this freak...if orgasms felt like typical childbirth I'd never want one at all and if that's how they're supposed to feel, then billions of men and women are doing it all wrong.

It truly amazes me, the lengths that some people will go through to convince women that pain is all in their head and emotional suffering is good for them. I mean, people like this will try to say it's perfectly safe and natural for little girls to give birth before they've even gotten out of elementary school because one or two ten year olds somewhere on the planet managed to do it without dying or ending up with permanent injuries important enough to move their icy hearts (who cares if the poor kid has to have her cervix sewn shut to carry and who cares if her psyche is messed up for life and she'll never be able to carry a voluntary pregnancy to term as an adult and enjoy a normal parenting experience...all that matters is she made it long enough for a live birth).

The problem is that people trivialize the entire gestation and birth process and the toll it takes-not only on a woman's body and emotions, but also on her finances and personal freedom. I swear, people shove more pills at pregnant women these days than elderly people in retirement homes. I don't know how women ever managed to have healthy children thirty years ago, without the piles of suppliments, vitamins and "scientific" diets...not to mention the fact that pregnant women weren't verbally lynched back then for having a cigarette, a beer or a glass of wine. How did most of my generation even survive long enough to be born, with our mothers going without all of those "essential" extra pills and sucking in those poisons like coffee and wine and cigarettes? How did we not end up as miscarriages when our mothers happily rode a bicycle or took a plane trip or any number of other every day, ordinary activities people have a conniption about now if pregnant women do them?

All that crap you're told to do when pregnant? It costs money. All those things you're told not to do? It interferes with your life in a way that most of us take for granted. Hell, you could be accused of fetal abuse for cleaning your cat's litter while pregnant, these days! Want to know what it would be like to live in a plastic bubble? Get knocked up...it's only a step away from the same thing.
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msrosie
replied on February 28th, 2009
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Every time anyone mentions the agony of childbirth this person basically accuses them of being delusional and insists that childbirth is not only a pleasant experience, but better than oral sex!



Gee, let me think ....which would I rather? Childbirth or oral? Childbirth or oral? Childbirth or oral? Absolutely no contest there. Guess which I pick? Hint: not childbirth.
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Darkmoon
replied on February 28th, 2009
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msrosie wrote:
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Every time anyone mentions the agony of childbirth this person basically accuses them of being delusional and insists that childbirth is not only a pleasant experience, but better than oral sex!



Gee, let me think ....which would I rather? Childbirth or oral? Childbirth or oral? Childbirth or oral? Absolutely no contest there. Guess which I pick? Hint: not childbirth.


Amen! rainbow
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tallyhoe
replied on February 28th, 2009
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adoption vs abortion
life vs death. both very painful decisions. too bad we don't think of the possible pain before the desire for pleasure overtakes us. After experiencing abortion wish I had chosen adoption instead.
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DamianaRaven
replied on March 1st, 2009
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Unfortunately, if the desire for pleasure didn't override common sense, I doubt there would still be life on this planet. Sex is a naughty trick designed to ensure procreation at any cost. The mechanics of instinct and biological programming don't take into account the quality of life or suffering created by careless breeding, but I always hope we humans can be smarter than our animal natures. Animals abort too, but without the proper technology it just looks like they're eating their young.

Perhaps we should imitate nature and make that a requirement for all aborting murderesses... oops I mean, mothers. Make 'em eat their fetuses and then they'll see the horror of their actions! That way, everyone gets to keep their "freedom" and those who are committed to their atrocities will be appropriately punished.

(In case I need to explain, the previous paragraph was my "sick joke of the week." Please don't get yourself freaked out by taking me seriously!)
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diamondsz
replied on March 1st, 2009
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Re: adoption vs abortion
tallyhoe wrote:
life vs death. both very painful decisions. too bad we don't think of the possible pain before the desire for pleasure overtakes us. After experiencing abortion wish I had chosen adoption instead.


Don't speak for everyone please.

Pleasure and selfishness is part of our instincts, it is normal to enjoy sex but with medical technology available as well as womans right we no longer have to account for fearing a life tied down to children. In our man made world where biological processes do not affect us on the same level it did years ago or we would still be walking naked, running through forests.

Our biological nature is to mate with anything, more so something we find dominant if we look to other animal charactheristics, whether it be dominants genes or a fight to mate.

To think would mean that we are capable of priortizing pros and cons of a sitiuation, for example if I would loose my job or have an abortion, abortion would be the best offer. Adoption unfortunatly is nto always the best choice, the demand of parents can't be met and so a childs quality of life is denied, what would be better living or knowing nothing.

To that child their pain could be far worse, they become envious of other, solely because they do not have the same because they were thrown in the system and their is millions of children waiting for a home. Did you know roughly 9.7 million children have died because they don't meet "the perfect baby syndrome?"
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msrosie
replied on March 1st, 2009
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Re: adoption vs abortion
tallyhoe wrote:
life vs death. both very painful decisions. too bad we don't think of the possible pain before the desire for pleasure overtakes us. After experiencing abortion wish I had chosen adoption instead.


I'm sorry you regret your choice to abort. That doesn't mean that others should be denied the choice. I have no regrets for aborting and I would do it again in a New York Minute.
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beninabox
replied on March 30th, 2009
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adoption vs abortion
The point to me is the country is mostly presented (at least in the media)with the false choice of either caring for a baby you don't have resources for 18 years and ruining your life or having an abortion. This forum has lots of great discussion about this. There have been distortions on both sides of the debate - the puritans who *say* they're for adoption but look down on those who choose to give their babies up, and those who are really concerned about going thru a pregancy for nothing or struggling with whether it's better to kill a fetus or risk having a disabled baby languishing in foster care. Important discussions!
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DamianaRaven
replied on March 30th, 2009
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Well, until we get it all hammered out once and for all, I'm glad that American women have the freedom to make the choice for themselves. Choice is a powerful weapon in the fight against poverty and oppression, so I'm all for letting people make their own decisions.
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beninabox
replied on March 30th, 2009
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adoption vd abortion
I think choice is a good default position. However, while I am pro-choice, I think it's important to de-polarize the debate. It's not going away, and saying it's strictly private is not a universally shared view. Is the choice absolute or is there a societal interest in discouraging some abortions? Difficult as it is for many pro-choice people to accept, many anti-abortion rights people really believe, on non-religious grounds I might add, that killing a fetus is actually the homicide of a human being. Others think a fetus has less *legal* status than a mouse (even a dog has more status in this view, since killing a dog that is not threatening you is prosecutable under animal cruelty laws). Still others see it as in between. This is where my belief is, though I'm leery of prosecuting it. Still, society does have a stake in regulating certain behavior, even if some consider it private. Certain drugs used to be legal, now it's not. Actual child abuse used to be considered a private matter. So was rape of a spouse. Infanticide used to be acceptable since newborns were looked upon as having less standing than a more fully developed born person. I think more needs to be done to encourage adoption and work out the problems you have laid out. Better than, as many do, dismissing it out of hand.
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beninabox
replied on March 30th, 2009
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Adoption vs abortion correction
The censors are a little hyperactive here. WHat was printed was

"Certain drugs
used to be legal, now it's not."

What I thought I wrote is "Cocaine used to be legal (the original Coca Cola comes to mind), and now it is not"
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msrosie
replied on March 30th, 2009
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Re: adoption vd abortion
beninabox wrote:
Others think a fetus has less *legal* status than a mouse (even a dog has more status in this view, since killing a dog that is not threatening you is prosecutable under animal cruelty laws).


Actually, you can have your own dog euthanised for any reason you choose. You cannot go around killing others' animals, just like you cannot go around killing anyone else's fetus but you can abort your own. And before some nitwit speaks up and says doctors kill others' fetuses, obviously I'm not talking about them.
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aochriss
replied on March 30th, 2009
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When an embryo is not part of my body, then other people can have an opinion about it.
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beninabox
replied on March 30th, 2009
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I have to admit, that's a good point, msrosie!

"Actually, you can have your own dog euthanised for any reason you choose"
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Phenicks
replied on April 9th, 2009
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Ok. To avoid pain during childbirth, epidurals or other pain relievers are available and most women experience NO pain after an apidural. Childbirth and pregnancy is not some horrible heinous thing for everyone. FEW women orgasm, many women don't feel any pain, most women in teh US experience painful natural childbirth and wouldn't have it any other way. Some of us use birth control or prefer a c-section to our vaginal having stretch marks or possibly losing elasticity (something that will happen with age if childbirth doesn't occur first.

Women who didn't want to be parents and certainly did not want to be pregnant may choose adoption because maybe the abortion to THEM ir far worse. Maybe they consider there is a life insdie of them, even though they wish it weren't that they do not want to take. That i sa view that some pro choicers have and thus why some pro hcoicers CHOOSE adoption. Abortion is NOT the only choice or option for everyone. In fact for many it woud only be a viable option if it were a life and death situation for the expectant mother.
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aochriss
replied on April 9th, 2009
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Phenicks wrote:
Ok. To avoid pain during childbirth, epidurals or other pain relievers are available and most women experience NO pain after an apidural.

LIE!!!!!! This statement is ignorant. An epidural only makes the pain a little more bearable.
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Childbirth and pregnancy is not some horrible heinous thing for everyone. FEW women orgasm, many women don't feel any pain, most women in teh US experience painful natural childbirth and wouldn't have it any other way. Some of us use birth control or prefer a c-section to our vaginal having stretch marks or possibly losing elasticity (something that will happen with age if childbirth doesn't occur first.
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Women who didn't want to be parents and certainly did not want to be pregnant may choose adoption because maybe the abortion to THEM ir far worse. Maybe they consider there is a life insdie of them, even though they wish it weren't that they do not want to take. That i sa view that some pro choicers have and thus why some pro hcoicers CHOOSE adoption. Abortion is NOT the only choice or option for everyone. In fact for many it woud only be a viable option if it were a life and death situation for the expectant mother.


Who said adoption was not a viable option?
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