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Few

on August 8th, 2008

Experienced User

Birch wrote:

Few wrote:

Birch wrote:

Few wrote:

Birch wrote:

The only thing female circumsision has in common with abortion is that providers of circumsision and prolife advocates are both interested in the submission of the female gender to their fantasies.

the providers of circumcision and the providers of abortion are doctors. and neither of which have anything to do with prolife advocates.

I beg your pardon. The providers of circumcision are not always doctors. For males in the Jewish religion they are called "mohels". Muslims use a similar system.

Female circumsicion is never performed by physicians and if a doctor provides such a service they are held legally accountable and charges are pressed.

I assert that prolife advocates and individuals who perform FGM are both solely interested in the submission and prostration of women. Both wish for women to submit to their will.

i am guessing that you have never been to egypt where female circumcision by medical professionals is a farly common occurance. and how on earth could a doctor be held legally responsible for circumcision if circumcision is never performed by doctors?

I said if a physician performs FGM/circumsicion they are prosecuted. Much in the same way "if" a physician performs an illegal abortion they are prosecuted.

"I am guessing" you are not up on the news that in 2007 Egypt banned FGM/circumcision.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_ea st/6251426.stm

how could they ban something that they never do?

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motherofhighspiritedones

replied on August 8th, 2008

Moderator

Few wrote:

Birch wrote:

Few wrote:

Birch wrote:

The only thing female circumsision has in common with abortion is that providers of circumsision and prolife advocates are both interested in the submission of the female gender to their fantasies.

the providers of circumcision and the providers of abortion are doctors. and neither of which have anything to do with prolife advocates.

I beg your pardon. The providers of circumcision are not always doctors. For males in the Jewish religion they are called "mohels". Muslims use a similar system.

Female circumsicion is never performed by physicians and if a doctor provides such a service they are held legally accountable and charges are pressed.

I assert that prolife advocates and individuals who perform FGM are both solely interested in the submission and prostration of women. Both wish for women to submit to their will.

i am guessing that you have never been to egypt where female circumcision by medical professionals is a farly common occurance. and how on earth could a doctor be held legally responsible for circumcision if circumcision is never performed by doctors?

You asked in your last post "how can they ban something they never do"...ahahahaha, you are the one that said they did it

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Mabel

replied on August 8th, 2008

Supporter

I have come to the conclusion that Few is a troll who is anti-female.

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Reptar

replied on August 8th, 2008

Experienced User

You're not the only one. They're quite poor at it too, not one logical argument to back up the rest of its hatred.

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motherofhighspiritedones

replied on August 8th, 2008

Moderator

agreed

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Mabel

replied on August 8th, 2008

Supporter

Reptar wrote:

You're not the only one. They're quite poor at it too, not one logical argument to back up the rest of its hatred.

No logic and nothing substantial. Mostly a lot of name calling and underhanded put downs.

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Birch

replied on August 8th, 2008

Extremely eHealthy

Few wrote:

how could they ban something that they never do?

Doctors in Egypt do not perform FGM/circumsision. Your claim has been refuted. "I am guessing" that you have difficulty with that.

Prolife advocates like Few do little to alleviate my opinion of the prolife position.

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Few

replied on August 8th, 2008

Experienced User

Ingi wrote:

Few wrote:

women are not required to have abortions. and if abortion was not available the only thing that they would be subjected to is the children that they are intended to bear.

Who decides what children I am 'intended' to bear?

Additionally, just because abortion isn't legal doesn't mean women aren't still doing it.

aochris give up some of your statistics on this, please tiphat

women are capable of bearing children because they are intended to bear children . the human race exists because women are capable of bearing children and intended to bear children. a woman that aborts her child is very similar to a soldier who deserts during battle.

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Birch

replied on August 8th, 2008

Extremely eHealthy

More intended degradation of women.

Keep showing us your true colors, prolife advocate.

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Mabel

replied on August 8th, 2008

Supporter

Few wrote:

Ingi wrote:

Few wrote:

women are not required to have abortions. and if abortion was not available the only thing that they would be subjected to is the children that they are intended to bear.

Who decides what children I am 'intended' to bear?

Additionally, just because abortion isn't legal doesn't mean women aren't still doing it.

aochris give up some of your statistics on this, please tiphat

women are capable of bearing children because they are intended to bear children . the human race exists because women are capable of bearing children and intended to bear children. a woman that aborts her child is very similar to a soldier who deserts during battle.

Well... not only am I PRO-choice, I'm also *gasp* anti war so I probably would desert. Shocked

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motherofhighspiritedones

replied on August 27th, 2008

Moderator

Few wrote:

motherofhighspiritedones wrote:

Wow you learn something new every day. I did not think that female circumsision was being performed in the US!!! However, if abortion was not available, I think females would be subjected to just as worse conditions (medical) by going to unauthorized medical establishments, DIY, etc. just to abort. That is why I do believe that having a readily available licensed medical staff for abortions shoud be a necessity. So that women don't screw themselves up by having a shady abortion done.

women are not required to have abortions. and if abortion was not available the only thing that they would be subjected to is the children that they are intended to bear.

Women are also not required to have babies or get circumsised.

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aochriss

replied on August 28th, 2008

Extremely eHealthy

Ingi wrote:

Few wrote:

women are not required to have abortions. and if abortion was not available the only thing that they would be subjected to is the children that they are intended to bear.

Who decides what children I am 'intended' to bear?

Additionally, just because abortion isn't legal doesn't mean women aren't still doing it.

aochris give up some of your statistics on this, please tiphat

Sorry I missed this request...

Quote:

Legal or not, abortion rates similar
By Elisabeth Rosenthal
Published: October 11, 2007

ROME,: A comprehensive global study of abortion has concluded that abortion rates are similar in countries where it is legal and those where it is not, suggesting that outlawing the procedure does little to deter women seeking it.

Moreover, the researchers found that abortion was safe in countries where it was legal, but dangerous in countries where it was outlawed and performed clandestinely. Globally, abortion accounts for 13 percent of women's deaths during pregnancy and childbirth, and there are 31 abortions for every 100 live births, the study said.

The results of the study, a collaboration between scientists from the World Health Organization in Geneva and the Guttmacher Institute in New York, a reproductive rights group, are being published Friday in the journal Lancet.

"We now have a global picture of induced abortion in the world, covering both countries where it is legal and countries where laws are very restrictive," Dr. Paul Van Look, director of the WHO Department of Reproductive Health and Research, said in a telephone interview. "What we see is that the law does not influence a woman's decision to have an abortion. If there's an unplanned pregnancy, it does not matter if the law is restrictive or liberal."
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/10/12/new s/12abortion.php

In summation:

Women will have abortions whether it is legal or not.
Illegal abortion is dangerous and harmful to women.
The pro-life cause is dangerous and harmful to women.

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