I read a book by a doctor who performs abortions. She said her clinic did this, too, they made it look like they weren't open by having the staff sleep over in the office, but they were actually open and receiving patients.

I don't live very far away from SF about 2 hours and as far as I know they are open. I have friends who live there. I've never heard they had closed their doors. Who knows maybe they changed some things had to close their doors for a little bit to implement these changes and someone took it as being closed for good.

Hey-sous-christo. It's an [insert expletive here] MEDICAL ESTABLISHMENT!

Obscene that in 21st century U.S. people have to do this kind of thing.

I agree 1 million percent.

than what is all the fuss over female circumcision if that is done at medical establishments?

Female circumsision is NOT done at medical establishments. Female circumsision is often performed in THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES where people dont have medical establishments. And the so-called doctors are not really doctors, therefore you cannot call it a medical establishment.

Well, to be perfectly fair...there are women (for example, living in America) who have the circumsion done on the younger females at medical establishments if they can. A lot of establishments/docs won't perform it though in the US.

The rest of what you say it true however; mostly done in Africa. Frequently performed by a member of the community of the area; even worse, if they can't find anything sharp, they use broken glass or other contaminated utensils.

**Edit: I claimed it was a Muslim practice, when really it is practiced by many religions within Africa.
**Edit AGAIN: FRICK! I said it was exclusively done in Africa...it's MOSTLY done there, but also in other areas.

Wow you learn something new every day. I did not think that female circumsision was being performed in the US!!! However, if abortion was not available, I think females would be subjected to just as worse conditions (medical) by going to unauthorized medical establishments, DIY, etc. just to abort. That is why I do believe that having a readily available licensed medical staff for abortions shoud be a necessity. So that women don't screw themselves up by having a shady abortion done.

someone is lying. just because circumcision sometimes is not done at a medical establishments does not mean circumcision cannot or is not done at medical establishments.

women are not required to have abortions. and if abortion was not available the only thing that they would be subjected to is the children that they are intended to bear.

The only thing female circumsision has in common with abortion is that providers of circumsision and prolife advocates are both interested in the submission of the female gender to their fantasies.

the providers of circumcision and the providers of abortion are doctors. and neither of which have anything to do with prolife advocates.

MOST women are also not REQUIRED to be circumsised. And who says that a particular woman INTENDS to bear a child.

Well, no kidding? Really? Already answered that post.

NOT EVEN GOING THERE.....

I beg your pardon. The providers of circumcision are not always doctors. For males in the Jewish religion they are called "mohels". Muslims use a similar system.

Female circumsicion is never performed by physicians and if a doctor provides such a service they are held legally accountable and charges are pressed.

I assert that prolife advocates and individuals who perform FGM are both solely interested in the submission and prostration of women. Both wish for women to submit to their will.

i am guessing that you have never been to egypt where female circumcision by medical professionals is a farly common occurance. and how on earth could a doctor be held legally responsible for circumcision if circumcision is never performed by doctors?

Who decides what children I am 'intended' to bear?

Additionally, just because abortion isn't legal doesn't mean women aren't still doing it.

aochris give up some of your statistics on this, please

I said if a physician performs FGM/circumsicion they are prosecuted. Much in the same way "if" a physician performs an illegal abortion they are prosecuted.

"I am guessing" you are not up on the news that in 2007 Egypt banned FGM/circumcision.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_ea st/6251426.stm