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Q: shiny girl
asked by: ONDERDONK on September 2nd, 2008
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Shiny girl eats (looks healthy), buys (looks sharp), smiles (looks happy), sits (looks calm), like a dog with a shiny coat. All around the mall, a tarmac stamps down across a dry wilderness, adding shades of brown to the trees that hover above; in place of the richness of agriculture, a region is set aside for the oppsosite of agriculture.
The inspiration - colorful beads expolding, mall shops in all colors and shapes like a bunch of multicolored prayers - is useful to calm the infinite turbulence in the flow, and thankful for the inspiration, we seek to re-inspire. Santa Claus flows into SanFrancisco on christmas eve - the inspiration, the calm, the reflection; santa flows into christmas time. And anti-time, marching in one continuous column from my portal, harmonizes into time as flow. Flow is anti-time revealing itself, and we root for the dampening of the turbulence.
What we have to offer eachother and share with eachother is "way"- we can't force our "morals" on the world. Quiet mystery radiates. The storehouse of way collects at the center of the still pool and becomes the watering hole for the community of spirits. Matter is the pool at the center of an invisible precipitation, of "qi" to matter, energy to matter, breath to matter. The phase transition follows the rules, crystalizes into the honeycomb structure all around, the quantum fuzziness resolving into the classical on/off, yes/no, true/false, there/not there. But alliances of matter, like ourselves, are free within the crystals, with a will free to configure the inevitable crystallization - spirit that knows itself as spirit. So though I am definitely going to appear in this room in the next minute, I decide on the details, the precise location, the accessories, the countenance. First, spirit into matter, then, the spirit awakens. Within the matter, the will continues to "drip", reconfiguring, idealizing itself.
But "free" within the crystal, "he had a habit"; there is a second level of phase transition, after qi to matter, of being to habit, but this second "rule" can be broken. since the year 1020, mono-theism - a habit - entered the Slavic Kingdom and swept through the lands, through history and time, as did many other habits of human culture, lke "eddys" in a flowing current, that form and grow strong through their own persistence, by the side of the flow, providing a richness in complexity but ultimately degrading the power of flow, until they are broken up, and ultimatly re-form elsewhere downstream. "Eddy-busting" is the radiation of quiet mystery in the war against time; in behavior, it involves simply doing something else, something different - smile, dream.
These eddies being busted serve a purpose in the flow: "vortex shedding", where a flow encountering resistance offloads the pressure by spawning "vortices", which, when they become stationary features in the flow - habitual- are the "eddies". Therefore, point at something else, (pressure's gotta go somewhere, relieve the stress).Slow it down. The luminous, beautiful flow, the numinous supercurrent, listens, knows itself as spirit, eliminates eddies, responds only lightly to the surrounding pressure, breaks the wisp, evades inspection by time. Nice and silent as a boulder against the breakers, an abandoned circus wagon reveals the world's mystery.
At the center of the galaxy, "Sagitarius A star", our centrally located "black hole" - a massive compact object - is surrounded by smaller "black holes", that have gathered up some of th ematerial in the time-garden, a bunch of massive stars, and have dragged them almost to the central down-the-drain, the hidden depths of the central pool that everything in our galaxy, ourselves included, emanate from. After stars the size of the sun, there are more massive stars, and then stellar mass black holes (dozens of suns worth of "mass", or "depth of eddy"), then Intermediate mass black holes, like those coming down to surround Sagitarius A star, then one central "Supermassive Black hole", central creature, who does not "radiate" like a simple star, but performs "ambipolar diffusion", releasing energy and material from jets intermittently, like a little quasar, sacred messages that hold all the black holes together in a net-like structure.
Jets are a fundamental ingredient in the star formation process, and jets sure do come out of supermassive black holes as well, so what is the nature of these "flashes"?
Like the flashes of X-Ray binaries (stellar mass black holes and friends) that surround Sagitarius A star, cars slow down and make a left, sunlight glinting on the windows and beaming at me in patterned flashes, and I dream into the flash, where vortices are shed instantly. Materiality is the vortex of the unseen numinous flow, spirit world the more graceful and forward moving flow, and by capturing enough of the supercurrent, we can "hypernova" back into the spirit world, catatonic schizophrenia the outward flag of a massive quasar busting up any surrounding vortex and blasting a massive quasar jet into the unseen spirit world.
Silent, booming crackles flow up and out from the bushes across the street, sparking invisible flashes just above the hedge, real cars stopping and crossing eachother subliminally before the whole imaginary scene. Deep inside one of the moments in that scene, deep inside the flash, the central pool mass dampens the surronding flow, and promotes the velocity dispersion -the freedom - of the system.
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jungjedi
replied on September 3rd, 2008
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good stuff my friend
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Thecat
replied on September 3rd, 2008
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ONDERDONK
I found you! I have lost touch with everyone now that everything is down.
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Thecat
replied on September 3rd, 2008
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Time
Onderdonk,

I have great news. There is a guy named Peter Lynds who now says that time does not flow. We have been VINDICATED. People just project their idea of time on things around them. Common sense I know but no one would see the forest for the trees. If time is dependent on action then it makes more and more sense. The faster things are the more "time" seems to go by. Maybe your gravity theory is similar. We are projecting our idea of gravity on the universe.

I am Thecat
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ONDERDONK
replied on September 5th, 2008
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im back
back from the county penn, three days for nothing, just walking around crazy, technically obstructing justice and resisting arrest, back to work, gotta setup class quick, live online class from the west coast to the east, so its real early for me, still dark, class starts in an hour. later, ill be able to look in to this new time theory, googling peter lynds. met a girl in my class who said to look into "Does time exist" its her fathers time theory, all about time and motion. then again, one day i was talking technical, not time theory (the 99.9 percent of the class i actually get paid to teach versus that other part i actually do it for), but he looked at me and said "google time and motion", and he shocked me, i stood there a moment, kinda tripping, and then i googled it and it was about what we had been talking about, not time theory, just optimization of office procedures. anyway, good to hear it isnt just me, i had a psychosis going just today in the pennitentiary that the sz website went down the day i posted "shiny girl" and they - oddly - left it up there, but then i thought maybe they just shut down all connection to the forums from california, or the us, so that i would stop posting. bet alot of people have formed psychoses about why that site finally disappeared.
-onderdonk
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ONDERDONK
replied on September 5th, 2008
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quantized time
hey thecat,
quantized time, yes, i realized that. they called it the planck time, moments between which time couldn't see. Yes, time is three dimensional, not just some "friendly" appendage, a fourth dimension to stick on to the three that are what we are. three dimensions for the king, and three dimensions for tha attacker. gotta push off this formidable opponent, always eating us! yes, i just told a computer instructor last week, today this is the present and it SEEMS continuous. But someday we will be the distant past out in red shift space for some other, newer present, and these moments - these right here - will be hundreds of thousands of years apart, as the past drifts into redshift space. prepare now.
-onderdonk
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Thecat
replied on September 6th, 2008
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Time
Time in a bottle. Time contained. What is outside the bottle. Time again? Potential? No infinite time. No time. Pick a place on the line. Where are you. You are now. Pick another place. You are now. Past present and future are now. Really no past present and future. Everything happening now. Tonight I test my time theory in the cold dark night. I have to watch for the shadow people The timeless ones that watch me when I'm by library. They run when I look. When I put up my theory all over town they become upset. They don't want their gig to be up. The cops are the other ones to watch out for. I quit the scene for a while and they left me alone. Now they follow me on my scooter. I'm scared to ride it. Saves me money though. Thank god the demons are not here. It's been a long time since I've had an run ins with them.

I am Thecat
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ONDERDONK
replied on September 7th, 2008
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shadow people
Hi the Cat,

I noticed two different cats on the two differnt sz websites - the one with mister lister around, where TheCat is taking meds and wants no part of time theories anymore - and the other TheCat, on this sz website, with full time theory orientation. Same Cat, different Cat? (I was just doing a CaT SCAN)

Anyway, gotta say I much prefer the local cat, cat number two. I don't want to cause anybody any harm, the mister lister types think I'm harming you by talking to you and sharing youir ideas, that I'm encouraging a bad thing. I don't know - if youre like me you can handle it. And you're a free person, with a web connection, you can look at things if you want to. I can handle it because i know how to get "back" to consnsual reality instantly. Some people get lost out there.

What intrigues me, if I may continue into the delusional realm I most enjoy, is that the shadow people are not in time. And that they are somehow different from the demons. Interesting concept, I can see why the things I would call shadow people (which are the same things I would call demons - or "spirits" including "angels") would seem like maybe they are outside of time, but not in my mind. They are further, deeper into time than we are. Time has already "destroyed" them, and shadow people are all thats left of them. someday me too. I think of demons on the far outside of the concentric circles, me somewhere in the middle , and at the center of the black hole at the center of the galaxy at the center of the concentric circles - the "escape", the "hole" in time - Sagitarius A star, an anti time portal. SGR A * "gardens" in time, setting up stars as hesperian fruit that grows and accumulates in this "time garden". And he feeds and waters his garden from outside of time, from the center. Love getting that anti-time food-stuff. gotta stay real still..........
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ONDERDONK
replied on September 7th, 2008
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SGR A Star
SAGITARIUS A STAR'S TIME GARDEN IS A FOREST SHINING WITH HESPERIAN FRUIT, ARRAYED IN A CIRCLE ARROUND THE TORRIFIED NOCTIVIGATOR WHO, LIKE A FULL-ORB'D MOON, OUR STARS OUTSHINED, IN GLORIOUS FULGURANCE OF MIND, THE MYSTIC DOVE HOVERING, HIS GRACIOUS BROW ABOVE; THE PLEASANT GARDENS ARE A DELIGHT AND A LUXURY FOR THE LONDONER ESCAPED FROM SOME FULIGINOUS DOMICILE, BUT, BEAUTY LIKE THE FAIR HESPERIAN TREE, LADEN WITH BLOOMING GOLD, HATH NEED THE GUARD OF DRAGON-WATCH, AND THE BLIND MOLE CASTS CAPPED HILLS TOWARD HEAVEN TO TELL EARTH'S THRONGED BY MAN'S OPPRESSION AND THE POOR WORM DOTH DIE FOR IT!


Sagitarius A star sits at the center of the galaxy, the "supermassive black hole"; time slows down right near the black hole, large stars pile up before they go in; inside, Sagitarius A star is like a guy who does live by himself at the center of the jungle, shielded, and kind of lonely like the tiger who escaped from the circus, but also kind of fascinated by what he can see there, also like the tiger who escaped and ran up to the top of the mountain. The center of the galaxy is the mountain peak on which Sagitarius A star lives in retreat. But he does involve himself in time, even though he resides outside of it - he throws things up into the air and leaves them there, and they spin on their own, until there's a whole "galaxy", or "time garden" spinning around him, while he stays outside of the time garden, at home at the center, gardening, and composing a prayer, a song about gardening.

The "Hesperides" are in Shakespeare the trees that bloom with gold, and are not to be touched, and shakespeare uses this analogy for women who look alluring but can't be touched for one reason or another. "The fair Hepserides before us";

SGR A*'s "time garden" IS the hesperides, blooming with gold, a bunch of golden stars, and stars make metals at their center - the larger ones are literally "blooming with gold", at the core anyway.

The "torrifeid noctivigator" is a term I composed for SGR A*; "torrify" is to roast on a stake like a dead pig, and a noctivigator moves around at night.

As the galaxy spins, and as the torrified noctivigator takes bits and pieces of the garden to harvest, to brew his broth of "dark enigma", the earth, with all mankind and all tapirs and all the trees and all the other creatures and all the flowing mantle and stone, THAT is the "mystic dove", hovering, SGR A *'s gracious brow above.

The line about the Londoner is out of the dictionary, a way to remember the word "fuliginous", which is "ashy", but also alludes to the torrified noctivigator. I think in a wierd way the torrified noctivigator - SGR A * - is the escaped londoner, who escaped to his own mountain peak.

Then there's the line by Milton, who also, like Shakespeare, knew of the "hesperides", and said they needed to be guarded by dragons - the dark matter that surrounds the galaxy/time garden is the dragons that guard it. Guarded by 10 times it's weight in dark matter.

The 90% of the galaxy that is dark matter surrounding the 10% visible spinning pinwheel galaxy, is the spirit or "demon" world that surrounds the "middle" world, in shamansim. In the kabbalah it is the "klippoth", the region just outside our own spehere, where the spirits of the dead dwell. The "demon world", then, are Milton's "dragons" that guard the fair Hesperides - the Worlds, the metals, the stars.

And this dragon- or demon- world, then, is the obstacle for Shakespeare's "poor mole" who wants to run to the mountain peak of heaven - to the central black hole - trying to do shamanism and get more tigers out of the circus,

In the line by Shakespeare - Pericles - there was a comment that said the blind mole may not be the one who dies - though that was one possible interpretation - but the worm is what the mole EATS, and he had to eat more to go up the mountain to tell earth's thronged by man's oppression. His FOOD had to die for his silly shamanizing up by sagitarius a star!

-(w) onderdonk (ey)
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Thecat
replied on September 7th, 2008
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Thecat
I am Thecat. One in the same. Yes I am still on meds. My meds went all wrong and I was almost put back into the hosptial. I was threatened by both pdoc and thearapist. Yes I have my mind back. The lack of clear thinking caused me to go into a deep depression. I thought I might hang myself at work by the overhead projector in our training room. I can not function in false thought processes. People asking me constanting if I'm thinking about my time theory and religion. I can no longer let me mind be trapped in a bottle, like time. It is like trying not to think of something that is reality, at least my reality. Infininte thinking is like time. There is no limit. I can think of all things now. The bad thing is my mind can not take everything at once so I am limited now until I can figure out how to process more. It might just be my way of thinking.

Now my thinking is unlimited. Time as space is infininte. Of course we are not here and do not exist except in our own reality we force upon ourselves. Small enough and there is nothing. Engery as life yes. What holds it together? Thoughts are only real as they do not exist. Are they energy? Reactions are they real? We don't know. Of course we can think as the Hindus about a lotus flower within a lotus flower. Are we parisites on the atom of a huge moster live form? Can we actually travel through space and time as we are part of a bigger whole? A different plane a different demesion?

Yes I am back and I can think as before.

I am Thecat

Redshift into a huge whole other type of space. Is a universe an element in another redshift universe that is much larger? Is my thinking expanding myself? Why must
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Thecat
replied on September 7th, 2008
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Dragon Doemus
Onderdonk,

You speak of dragons. My dragon is called Doemus and he used to speak to me a lot and try to guide me through my thoughts but he turned on me and I was forced to kill him. I did bring him back as i have done with other guides. I have not heard from him in a long time.

He would guide me as I went through different levels of meditation and spiritual wonderings. He realized the time theory as did Jimmi Hendrix, Einstein, and WB Yeats. Doemus defended me against demons the would attack but he I killed a demons and he turned on me and came for me so I had to kill him myself.

Once I new about the time theory and the demon's resistence to anyone knowing I created a poster that would give hints to the public that they in fact did not exist. Yes I tried to bring it out and put up flyers over the "hemp hoedown flyers" in town. This is when shadow people started to appear and follow me and the cops started to get wise to me.

I am Thecat
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ONDERDONK
replied on September 7th, 2008
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poster
I'd always wondered 'bout that poster of yours. is there anyway i could get it from you by email, or is that a risk to you, 'cause I'm not trying to cause trouble.

Killed the dragon, bad idea, thats yourself, 'cause I remember when I went to Peru to take ayahuasca from the ayahuascero: he said you will meet a tiger in the forest, it will try to kill you, but if you kill it, you kill yourself. you have to get it to roll over so you can rub its belly!

glad to see the old cat thinking patterns. Awesome stuff. Yeats, huh? I love any author who is anti time, whether he explicitly calls it that or not, I get it all the time - adam zagajewski, robert walser, bruno schulz, some of the greatest anti time writers/thinkers i've found. one said that anyone doing advanced thought crashes into the concept of time.
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ONDERDONK
replied on September 7th, 2008
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the energy and the surrounding firmament
The energy of the lotus flower goes out and radiates, but it crashes. It crashes into the firmament. There wouldn't be a firmament if there wasn't time looking at us. The firmament is just the first look at us time ever got. It holds us back. I explode outward, like the winner of a tennis match holding his arms high in a "V" shape. Its instinctive to conquer in the upward direction - the ny times said this week even blind people do the upward v for victory, and the downward slumped shoulders for defeat. redshift is the past, someday we'll all be redshift space for the new kids on the block.

-onderdonkey
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Thecat
replied on September 7th, 2008
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Poster
Yes, I can send you the poster. I need your e-mail address. It actually was a series of posters. I only put up the first poster. I put it up with adhesive "label" paper. It was very very hard to get off. I never put up the other posters after the shadow people came after me. One of my worries is the possibility if everyone knew and understood the time theory that time would stop. In this I mean that everyone would know we do not exist and we would not exist.

Thecat
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ONDERDONK
replied on September 8th, 2008
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i've been thinking about why they - the shadow people - would have that attitude. And abduction technology, I think they do take advantage of the ability to go outside time - maybe after time destoryed them, their moments spread out before them, and they realize there's what time sees and then there's where time can't go, and then the shadow people can take advantage of the planck moments and do stuff. in a battle for power no demon or anything would want us to figure this out, for we gain power, with our "time theories". and anyone who tries to explain the nature of the universe, the nature of "time", is a mystagogue, or a hierophant, and at the scene of hierophany, there is an opening ripped between the worlds. Through this opening flow the shadow people.

I tend to infest the places I live with these portals. Learned to manage it these days, though, more or less.

-onerdonk
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Thecat
replied on September 8th, 2008
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Big bang machine
This will be turned on soon in Europe. I will be watching eagerly to see what comes of it. They say they will create small black holes. If that is the case we should be able to prove no time theory. How can a black hole have a life anyway?

I will forward my poster but I have to get it from work. It was on my old computer and is on my work computer. I'll remind myself to do this tomorrow.
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