Biologically, to reproduce, but it's not so black and white. 25% of all potential pregnancies are stopped before they even have a chance to get started. Then there's the whole miscarriage clause that wipes out even more. Throughout history mankind has always supported abortions. Religiously its always been supported too. You won't find the word 'abortion' mentioned even once in the bible. There also is NO biblical law against abortion. Now you would think that if abortion was a no-no to God, that when he made the 10 Commandments he would have shoe-horned a "Thou shalt not have an abortion" clause in there somewhere, but nope, apparently God didn't think abortion was so bad. After all, God performs many miscarriages everyday. It would seem that God thought it would be prudent to allow mankind to decide this whole abortion thing for themselves. Oh well, at least we know from Gods lack of action that God is not against it per se. There are, however, historical references to God commanding that ZEF's and infants be killed though, for example; Sometimes, God even gave Israel permission to kill infant children. In Samuel 15:3, God ordered Saul to massacre the Amalekites: "Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; put to death men and women, children and infants, ox and sheep…". Some anti-choice Christians claim that just because God does not have a commandment prohibiting abortion, that it does not give us the right to perform it. Since human life is so precious, we should err on the side of caution, they argue. But according to this logic, we should not even be driving cars! Let's look at their 'reasoning' a little closer.

Every day more than 134 people die in a highway related death. Every week about 938 people die, and every month about 3750 people die in a highway related death. That is an estimated 45,000 deaths due to automobile accidents a year. These deaths are accidental, to be sure, but our decision to participate in a mode of transportation that we already know will kill 45,000 people is not accidental. We also know there were virtually no deaths in horse-and-buggy days. We have decided to accept those 45,000 deaths a year simply because we value the convenience – a notion surely not found anywhere in the Bible. But should we stop all automobile travel just because of Biblical silence on the issue? No, of course not. So just because abortion is not mentioned in the bible doesn't mean we should assume it needs to be there. After all, if the bible is supposed to be the word of God, then it's highly doubtful that God made a typo. There isn’t a Christian in the world who can show you any Bible verses that plainly and clearly say abortion is wrong. There just aren’t any such verses. On the other hand there are many things that the bible says are wrong, that anti-choicers do everyday, so the last thing they should want to use as a reference is the bible.

The fact of the matter is that abortion has been accepted throughout the world since ancient times and by all cultures. For the first half of the 19th century, abortion was legal and was in fact openly advertised. In the 1800's plants such as snakeroot and cohosh were commonly used to terminate a pregnancy. It was common practice for midwives to perform the abortions, and it was big business for them. Male doctors felt threatened by this and wanted to monopolize the practice for themselves, so they started a campaign to make it illegal, UNLESS of course one of these male doctors performed the abortion. The rest is history as they say. Wow... I really got off on a tangent on that one Sorry

Not all pro-lifers use the bible as a reason against abortion. It might be because they're not even religious (atheist, agnostic). OR if they are religious, that is just ONE of their reasons. And not all religious pro-lifers bring up the bible. Sure, religious extremists may be against it only because they feel the bible says it's wrong. But extremists come from both sides of the abortion debate and from many other controversial issues.

Not all pro-lifers use the bible as a reason against abortion. It might be because they're not even religious (atheist, agnostic). OR if they are religious, that is just ONE of their reasons. And not all religious pro-lifers bring up the bible. Sure, religious extremists may be against it only because they feel the bible says it's wrong. But extremists come from both sides of the abortion debate and from many other controversial issues.

Red herring.


Anytime you want to compare 'extremists' you just let me know. I have full documentation of anti-choicer extremist dating way back to 1989 when there was 12358 of them arrested at 72 different incidents.

If you're capable, explain how stating a FACT would be considered a red herring.

There is an assumption from many from the pro-choice side that all pro-lifers are religious. If you yourself believe that, then my comment would NOT be a red herring. There is no reason to group all pro-lifers together.

Changing the topic of what's posted hardly counts as an argument against it. We never said that all pro-lifers use the bible. You know what they say about assuming Apperently you missed where we clearly stated "Some anti-choice Christians". Oops... that's gotta hurt


Well I could think of a few groups that they all fit in, but that's not the scope of this thread. Generally speaking I agree with your comment, but then I'm not fond a most labels

I don't think you know what a red herring is.

Chris, I understand biolgically we were meant in one way, although, I feel that just because someone told me I have on path I shouldn't have to follow it.

Its like if someone told me to jump of a bridge, I know I wouldn't do it, I don't know if I made any sense!

Yikes I didn't say that about being meant biologically to do anything, because I don't think that way!

Blame it on Milan, lol!

Yes, biologically, all life forms have/had a primary purpose of procreating. However, humans have evolved above that, we have developed brains that think and reason and we have made more of life than just eat, sleep, hunt and procreate.

If we were to stick to our "primary purpose" and the way it was originally, then we all should be self sustaining - hunt, gather and plant our food, build our own shelter, etc, etc.

We tamper with "nature" all the time. A big way we do this is with medical care and the prevention and treatment of diseases. Included in that medical care is obtaining an abortion if we do not wish to remain pregnant.

Anyone who thinks we should do what "nature" intended should turn off their computer, leave their home and go and live in the wild.

KK chris sorry I wasn't trying to be rude in any sense, sorry If I got taken that way.

The commandment from God is very clear.

Exodus 20:13
Thou Shall Not Kill -This includes abortion whether you like it or not. All the ways of kiling another humans doesn't have to listed just to satisfy you. Every act used to end the life of another applies this commandment.

Jesus in the new testament says another commandment very clear against abortion

John 13:34-35
A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you

Loving the unborn counts here, which means you are not kill them.


Only advocates of the evil can't see how clear God commandments are.

You are free to think abortion is okay in your opinion but don't try to use the word of God that you don't know to backup your belief that abortion is okay.

First of all, quite being so arrogant by putting words on Gods mouth.

Second of all regarding this:

Exodus 20:13
Thou Shall Not Kill -This includes abortion whether you like it or not. All the ways of kiling another humans doesn't have to listed just to satisfy you. Every act used to end the life of another applies this commandment.

Unfortunately for you that's not how it works. Not all forms of killing are wrong. I'd love to see someone attack you and watch you lay their limp and allow them have their way with you, after all, according to your logic defending yourself and killing in self-defense is wrong

The Bible does not condemn abortion. The Bible does not say abortion is wrong. Put up or shut up as they say nightangel73; show us ONE VERSE in the bible that mentions the word "abortion"! It should be easy for you IF you are right.

Your religion has always approved of killing animals, for food, even for sport. They also kill insects to help grow food. They even kill bacteria when they use anti-bacterial hand or dish soap, but hey, I guess if you can't see it that's makes killing OK in your eyes 'eh? In the world God has made, it’s impossible not to kill. Deal with it nightangel73. Everyone here will be waiting for you to show us where the Bible says “Don’t have an abortion.” or “Having an abortion is a sin.” We're not interested in your INTERPRETATION of the bible, we're ONLY interested in where the bible ACTUALLY says any of those things are wrong

Now let's learn how closely you follow the bible.

Do you wear wool/linen clothing?

Do you or any of your religious friends have a tattoo?

Does any of the religious men that you know shave?

Have you ever taken out a loan with interest?

Come on nightangel73, inquiring minds want to know.

Why is it that you believe in double standards? For example; in Ezekiel 37:8-10 and Genesis 2:7 neither are considered to be a human being UNTIL God gives “the breath of life”. I quote: "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground" At this point Adam’s body is created but he is not yet a “living soul.” The verse continues: "and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." According to the bible becoming a 'human being' is a two step process. First the body is created, and then upon it's first breath it become a 'human being'. Hmmm... maybe God made the act of breathing important for a reason nightangel73. After all, once you stop breathing you no longer are alive. Those verses from the bible prove that according to Gods wishes, until the body is animated with the breath of life it's not considered to be human. I'm not necessarily agreeing with that, what I am doing however is using your 'tools' (the bible) to PROVE that you are wrong. When in France - speak French - and all that jazz

Another Biblical indication that God does not consider the fetus a human being occurs in Exodus 21:22-25. The verse begins: "And if men struggle and strike a woman with child so that she has a miscarriage, yet there is no further injury, he shall be fined as the woman’s husband may demand of him, and he shall pay as the judges decide." The Bible says the woman is “with child” but the verse shows NO concern about the death of the fetus. Weird. The Bible specifies a mere fine for causing a woman to have a miscarriage. Imagine that.

You are free to think abortion is wrong in your opinion, but don't try to use the word of God that you don't know to backup your belief that abortion is wrong.

Either of these examples could have shown that God considers the newly-conceived fetus to be a human being, yet neither of these verses do. In-fact all I see in the bible is a bunch of MAN MADE INTERPRETATIONS of what is printed, NOT what is actually there. How about you nightangel73, you find the word 'abortion' mentioned in the bible yet?

First off, the correct translation is "thou shalt not múrder". Abortion is not múrder.

Second, if you want to take it as "thou shalt not kill", then I hope you are vegan, because it does not specify humans.





Nothing in that quote about the unborn. Or abortion.







To Admin: these filters are ridiculous. The use of the word "múrder" is in perfect context here.

Like I said only advocates of the evil can't see how clear God commandments are.

No need to further explain the Thruth.

So that's it? You spit out half-truths, rhetoric and propaganda and you can't back any of it up with FACTS?

Just because you believe something - doesn't make it real. As an adult, you should have learned that by now. If something can't be proven and you still choose to believe it, then that is not faith, that is a symptom of being delusional. Don't believe me? Look it up.

The bible also says according to Deuteuronomy spelling?

that...

Thou shall not wear read
That thou shall not work on Sabbath day
That thou shall kill oxes

There is also a part about the bible condone the world as being flat....

Milan is awesome......According to exodus
A womans is actually put higher than an unborn

Coming from a christian who went atheist, for a reason....

Oh genesis said that people first appeared in mesopotamia only 6000 thousand years ago, accoring to science/historical facts the first humans being to have appeared were found 200, 000-500, 000 years ago

It also talks about how having sex without reproducing is wrong, therefore if you dont get pregnant every time, then you are committing a sin or by spill thy seed.

I think you need re-read it.

Sadly she's probably not in a good or stable environment. Maybe belongs to FLDS.

Milan there is no way you or I could rationalize God and his kingdom with our experience. It's like this. Say a fish in a fish born and raised in a fish tank. If you say to this fish hey you know there is this thing called the sea and it's this much infinetly big and this kind of creatures live in it, would the fish believe you? Not really, the fish will think you are bluffing as this is something he can't prove in his fish tank. All the fish can prove is what he see in the fish tank. So we are like the fish and the world the fish tank. We can't prove heaven but we can believe the one who told us about it. I rather live my life believing to find out it is not true than to not believe to find out it was true. If you think this is delisional way of thinking then so be it. Who cares what you think anyways?

God has told us that abortion is wrong and his mandate is clear to love and not kill each other.