My Bipolar got cured

Skipping medicines in mental illness can be fatal.

hey can you plz mail me back, i really need to talk to you. My husband is sufferign from Bipolar 2. which doctor u referred, and how u managed this, i really want to know everything......plz reply back on my mail ID. plz plz plz

messaged you.

Don't lose your perscription.
You might need it again one day.... or not

Etienne

I still remember my last prescription : Lithium carbonate once daily before bed and kept all my medical record safely.

when we start to learn from the good in bipolar dis order, maybe they'll ad a new name, bipolar order. through understanding God's plan/will we all will find the way to peace on earth through good will toward man. remember this xmas to say HAPPY BIRTHDAY to JESUS, he's listening to all, and he truly know's who's been bad or good...anyone notice that in a phyc ward no one wants to let you hug.even the staff won't hug . against the rules. this is too bad, cause love will prevail over all...

which type of Bi polar did you have and a doctor is trying to diagnose my son with type I in manic phase however i don't know much about the disorder or the different types what he seems to show is more schizophrenic but it's all been drug induced i believe he is in a rehab now and i was told to wait several weeks or so to see if it goes away since other doctors thought it to be drug induced . i think it's from the drugs he was fine before that and which other drug did they use to control side effects from lithium

ya this is demerit of our medical science,one drug has some side effect and two or more drugs are used to counter it.This chain reaction goes on.

I had type Bipolar-I Disorder.Alternate phases of euphoria and depression.

Im really happy for you that you're better off now....really happy about your success story. gives me hope.

Hi Survivor. Sorry, I don't believe you. It sounds more to me that your father interfered with your treatment and forced his opinion into your life.

You see one thing gives it away. Lithium does NOT affect one's intellectual ability at all. The tremors? Sure, can happen but intellectual retardation? Never mate, never.

This is rubbish so I do not believe it was BP at all. Could have been something else, you had a range of diagnosis's I read. Why go with this one? I think you've either just written this for attention or you talked youself into believing it. Reverse placebo.

Tell me what drugs you had during those 4 years, doses and periods? If you took lithium the whole time BP would not be present. But you were a self medicator apparently. Trouble there mate.

As I said, I do not believe you were cured of BP and you don't know how. Rubbish.

I am givig my full medical record from april 2005.Some prescription may be missing..
on 4.4.2005
olanex 10 mg once daily
on 20.05.05
Oleanz fort once daily

on 29.3.08
8Am 8Pm
1.tab lithosun 300 1.5 1.5
2.tab Arzu 10 1 -
3.tab Pacitane 2 1 -
4.tab Censpram Plus - 0.5
5.tab nexipride 0.5 0.5

till 3.5.08


on 08.3.08
8Am 8Pm
1.tab lithosun 300 1 1
2.tab Arzu 10 1 -
3.tab Pacitane 2 1 -
4.tab oxmazdol 1 -
5.tab nexipride 0.5 1


There are more prescriptions if you want I can give all scanned copies of all the prescriptions.I am not lying,I have experienced the grandiose and extremely state of depression within 2 to 3 days.This is no popularity stunt,I just wanted to share my story.

Firstly, the data you have listed is 4 years old. Why is that? Below I have listed the uses of some of the drugs you list. I didn't check all, just random ones. I've never heard of any of them and I've been taking meds for decades, on and off, here in Australia.

The main reasons these drugs seem to be prescribed is for schozophrenia. One says it's for Parkinson's and ONLY one even mention bipolar and tyhat's an Indian drug.

The last one mentions Dythsmia which is a low grade depression. Had it myself for a long time.


olanex Is made in India. Enough said. Approved by the FDA for the treatment of schizophrenia and bipolar disorder.

OLEANZ is used to treat schizophrenia.

PACITANE is used alone or together with other medicines to treat Parkinson's Disease.

Nexipride slow release (150 mg) contains the active ingredient Levosulpiride, which is used in the treatment of psychoses, particularly negative symptoms of schizophrenia, anxiety disorders, dysthymia, vertigo, dyspepsia, irritable bowel syndrome and premature ejaculation.

All you've done by listing these drugs is prove my point. You weren't being treated for bipolar in the main. It was schizophrenia according to the drugs you list.

There is no known cure for bipolar, just some drugs can contain it.

No, I still do not believe your story for that's all it is. A story. Why wait 4 years before telling anyone?

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Thank you Caroline, good to have one point of agreement at least.

Sad but true, once you've had a BP experience it remains a threat for ife. I'm lucky, mine is BP2 so it has been readily controlled to date.

I believe Bipolar Survivor because at least he knows how to be civil and is not accusing and because I came out of the worst Hell on Earth myself without any shrinks or pharmaceuticals.

EXTREME INTRACTABLE DEPRESSION.
I intrigues me, all the talk about genes and drugs in the treatment of depression as if there just HAS to be some inheritance factor involved. There are no shortage of things to get depressed about in this world today without bringing belief systems into the equation. This a story about horrific depression from which very few escape. It involves both a shrink and a patient, in both cases me. It's a story that has to be told to reach out and offer escape to anyone else caught in the same trap.
Up until 1972 I suffered the most dreadful depression from early childhood with alcoholism commencing at 14. I contracted meningitis at just 9 months old, then at 28 suffered very severe bends with cerebral complications (as indicated by tunnel vision) as an abalone diver.
However, there were plenty of environmental factors to depress me. I was brutalised by my father who came back from WW2 deranged. As well as bashing me he ridiculed and criticised everything I did.
At 19, filled with self loathing, I went forward at a Billy Graham meeting and then committed the worst sin possible for a Baptist, I backslid, finally believing that I had been cut off with no possible hope of redemption. I was going to burn in Hell forever and this tormented me day and night. The only way I could cope was to drink myself into oblivion. I couldn't commit suicide and I couldn't be awake and I couldn't talk to ANYBODY about it. Being unconscious was the only way out.
Then in 1970 I lost TWO abalone boats with the death of my deckhand on each occasion, punishment by God I believed for my backsliding, and punishment by man by enormous stigma. The local Baptist minister visited me in hospital after I lost the first boat and was being treated for suicidal ideation. He said with great compassion, "The reason you lost that boat and the young man died was because you turned your back on the Lord Jesus Christ." Jesus wept!!!
What therapy. No good confiding in him, and this outburst only confirmed what I already believed. My drinking escalated accordingly. I was now COMPLETELY psychotic, with no help coming from ANYWHERE, just prejudice.
Then in 1972 with the assistance of a lot of LSD I cured myself utterly and simultaneously stopped drinking. How? I STOPPED believing in God and sin and Hell as by now they all seemed so utterly absurd. The depression just vanished.
I now believe that the above is a common syndrome in depression. However the individual cannot talk about it to ANYONE as he or she is desperately trying to drive it from their minds and with only venom coming from the clergy. He or she would probably accept implantation surgery as the only way of coping. I didn't. I used an illegal substance that is supposed to drive one insane, no ECT, no lithium, no SRI's, just a substance that strips away the illusions.
I'd like to make the point that I DO NOT recommend the use of LSD for anyone in a clinical environment, i.e. labelled and drugged as this is a very paranoid environment already and could turn a lot more paranoid. I know of people who developed LSD induced schizophrenia. However, as RD Laing said they were pre-psychotic and all the drug did was accelerate the process. They are stuck half way. Once labelled and drugged they remain stuck, but can come out the other side as can anyone else as I've already hypothesised. As to anyone using LSD as a recreational drug, that's their business. So it's illegal, there are thousands of legal drugs which are deadly poisons. I don't use any drugs now, legal or illegal, although I don't hold that up as a badge of virtue as virtue is a word for the pious. Been there, done that.
LSD is NOT a therapy. It is a TRUTH drug. It cuts through absurd contradictions like a God of limitless love would burn someone in HELL forever (even Adolph Hitler], or knowing the beginning to the end would create the Devil knowing that Nick would try to organise a coup d'etat against him, or burning the heathen in Hell simply because some slack arsed missionary didn't go ram gobbledygook down their throats, or Paul saying one minute 'If any man be in Christ he is a new creature, behold old things pass away, all things are become as new' then next minute saying 'Oh wretched man that I am, who can rescue me from this body of death. All my righteousness are but as filthy rags.' The book of contradictions. Yet fundamentalist Christians say that there is NOT ONE SINGE CONTRADICTION in the Bible. Talk about double BLINDS.

What the hell are you ranting about?

LSD cured you? Absolute rubbish.

It is indeed a very common reaction of anyone with an illness to seek a God who is not actually there. Depression is not unique in this and you must know that.In fact any serious illness has people seeking relief in any way possibe. God is the most common as there are so many fools out there who have swallowed that pap. I'm glad you rescinded those deceits as they just mislead and deceive.

Yet, the second half of your post is all about religion and God. Still an obsession there isn't there?

And no, genetic depression has never been proven. The Twins study followed the lives of identical twins and found about 1/3 developed depression early in life and the rest didnt. Hardly definitive as those numbers are close to current published numbers. So, by far the majority do not believe the genetic connection at all.

Been a decade or two since you saw a doctor I can tell.

They say it runs in families is a common expression used but that really means depressed parents raising a child will demonstrate depressed behaviour which the child learns. Environmental, not genetic at all. It's unavoidable unless the parents disappear early on. Which could, in itself, create depression.

LSD is not meant to drive anyone insane. It was released as a therapeutic drug early on but banned when the authorities found people were having way too much fun. But drive people insane? No way in the world. Dumb comment.

LSD does NOT strip away illusions. It creates delusions in that you see, hear, feel and smell things that don't exist. I saw music come out of our stero on a trip back in the early seventies. So vivid I still recall what it looked like.

Funnily enough, no one else saw it. Conclusion? I had a delusion as did the others as we all think differently. It creates fantasies and can be dangerous if people become afraid, of anything. That's why we stopped really. One of the girls kept saying "I'm dying, I'm dying" which she clearly wasn't.

But it was enough to put the rest of us off although a few of us did disappear from time to time and enjoy another trip. Not for long though.

It is by NO MEANS a truth drug.It's the opposite and creates unreality. That's why people use it, to escape reality. Do you know nothing of this drug, it all sounds like stuff you made up while on a trip and you beloeve yourself still today. It creates delusions, things that don't exist. Is that the truth you speak of?

You couldn't use LSD today as everything is cut to include God knows what and is dangerous. Pot luck, Russian roullette.

Frankly your post smacks of insanity and I do not accept your miracle cure either. Please don't push this line as you say yourself you don't know what happened, you were so out of it with drugs and booze you couldn't be certain of anything from that period.

You are a grat advocate for the pharmaceutical and psychiatric industry. I would suggest that a lot of your depression is all of the rage and bitterness you've got bottled up inside. You need a rebirth and NOT a religious one and get completely off refined sugar. Nobody asks you to do research on their behalf so why expect thanks?

MISDIAGNOSIS IN PSYCHIATRY.
It must be apparent to anyone reading my stuff that I use a person's metabolism and bodyweight relative to their height to determine a diagnose of their psychiatric profile. Not too many psychiatrist would agree with this making, a diagnosis depending on how a patient presents on their first contact i.e. very agitated or depressed. Yet looking at psychiatrist's patient's profiles metabolism doesn't even get a mention. Many years ago, I read a book called 'Uppers and Downers' which defined psychotropic drugs as such. Essentially what it said that uppers such as speed made a person with a low metabolic rate feel and function better, doing say an exam, than someone with a high metabolic rate who would simply become confused. Alternatively, someone with a high metabolic rate, especially if he or she was very reactive and agitated, taking a metabolic depressant, such as an antipsychotic would calm down and feel much better initially.
Many years ago I read the book written by the discoverer of Lithium in which he claimed that a female patient brought into a New York psychiatric hospital had been completely misdiagnosed. She had been diagnosed on entry as a paranoid schizophrenic. In an extremely agitated aggressive state on arrival she had threatened to kill everyone in the hospital as well as half of New York if she wasn't IMMEDIATELY released. Yet when the author saw he she was in a conciliatory depressed state, therefore he reckoned she has been misdiagnosed and was, in fact, a bipolar which suited the author as Lithium was used to treat bipolar.
What he failed to see was that when it became patently obvious to this woman that her threats did not gain her an immediate release but guaranteed her a prolonged stay instead, as she was considered a threat to the public, i.e. that the depression was in relation to the aggression. In objectifying the patient as possessing a 'psychosis' there is a failure to connect one state with its opposite. Or take the 'bipolar' individual who has a flash of inspiration that going out on a shopping spree and buying everyone he knows an expensive present will be greeted with such affection for him it will open up all manner of employment or business opportunities, well heeled sexual partners and so on. Thus the cost of the spree will be repaid many times over.
But when all of the presents have been rejected as it is obvious that they come with huge string attached, and the bill comes in as impossible to pay, this individual sinks into a deep depression. Not only is he way into debt, he has alienated himself even further, especially if he has become abusive toward those who more vehemently rejected his 'bribes'.
On the flip side a 'schizophrenic' woman wanting out with a relationship with a man who adores her, and is trying to provoke him into ending the relationship by being extremely abusive and cruel. She doesn't believe that a man is capable of love and that she is just his possession, like a cow. She wants him to end it so if he DOES commit suicide it'll be no fault of hers. Instead he is so dreadfully hurt that he breaks down and weeps, possibly talks of suicide if she leaves him. (Crocodile tears and emotional blackmail) Suddenly, frightened of her own aggression and callousness, and fearful that if he does suicide he might take her with him, she becomes very conciliatory and precocious. Seizing on this sudden openness he then rattles off a litany of her sins, she doesn't do any thing around the house et, thinking she will take all of this criticism on board, mend her ways and they'll live happily ever after. Suddenly her face contorts with rage and she yells at him, 'You patronising !**@!', He breaks down again ad infinitum.
In his mind she has to be psychotic as he wants excuse her behaviour and to believe that she actually does love him as evidenced by her behaviour whilst she is being conciliatory, and because she become suddenly abusive WITHOUT ANY PROVOCATION WHATSOEVER. He can't see that he is being very self righteous and that she takes this as calling her immoral and very selfish. He does everything around the house to show her how much he loves her. She sees this as just emotional blackmail as it makes it more difficult for her to walk out on him and that's why he does it. That makes him ten times more immoral and selfish.
This situation might escalate to the point where she becomes so threatening that he has her admitted to a psychiatric hospital, believing that she will eventually see that this is for her own good and as a way of holding on to her (trapping her). Little does he realise just what they are in store for. There is almost no understanding of each other in a relationship like this and no understanding of themselves. Both sides totally misinterpret the motivation of the other. Philosophically they might be on opposite ends of the spectrum. He says spare the rod and spoil the child and she says use the rod and spoil the child. If she openly criticises him for hitting their child who's behaviour is becoming increasingly disturbed, he blames her for this behaviour because she undermines his authority. She blames him for being repressive. He blames union power for undermining the economy she blames greedy capitalists, this argument intensifying as their own financial circumstances deteriorate. Different religions perhaps as well.
The psychiatrist is oblivious to all of these social dynamics as he doesn't leave his 'surgery' to get any understanding of her family life by actually going to visit the family home. Dangerous place out there, disgruntled patients of his lurking behind every power pole with shotguns. He just talks to the patient on entry into the hospital long enough to make a diagnosis determined on how she or he presents at the time, doesn't take into account the events just prior to her admission, prescribes the appropriate poison and the dose and that's it. He's got his own problems at home after all.
Gp's seem to be prescribing mood poisons willy nilly with almost no understanding of the patient or the pill. Try this and see how it goes. If not we'll try something else. Lab rats get more objective treatment than this, but then I suppose they deserve it!! 'No greater love hath a rat than it lay down it's entrails for it's friends'. A woman friend of mine told me that her sister, who was suffering pretty severe depression had been put onto Largactil by a local GP. I was blown away by this as I know her sister and knew that she was overweight before going on the drug, showed all of the characteristics (not SYMPTOMS) of manic depression (bipolar), not much manic but lots of depression, and a low metabolic rate. Largactil, as an antipsychotic, is a metabolic depressant, i.e. the very OPPOSITE to what she should have been prescribed of there was an argument for medication which of course there is not. So she just put on more weight and got more depressed . I told her sister about Laractil and she passed on what I said, she went off the drug and perced up considerably but still depressed.
As I understand Largactil, coming out in 1950, the very first antipsychotic, has run out of copyright protection and is now cheap, hence it increasingly hit and miss prescribing by gp's with about as much understanding of biochemistry as a giraffe. Her problem is totally unjustified GUILT which, like all guilt, has a religious or quasi religious content to it. A person who is overweight has a low level of self esteem, seen as glutinous, lethargic seen as lazy, constipated seen as full of sh--- all of which reinforce the feelings of guilt over feeling responsible for past negative events. So how the bloody hell does a drug which causes more weight gain, more lethargy and, because it is anticholinergic, worsens the constipation, help her in any way. She has to be totally and utterly convinced that any concept of SIN is utterly and totally absurd.

LSD wasn't banned worldwide because people were having too much fun on it, it was banned because it got out of control once it became a street drug. Acid guru Timothy Leary was very critical about the hysterical response by parent's when, realising that their kid was taking LSD or was tripping at that moment, saying that it was THEIR 'selfishness' that caused the problem. Leary, Watts and Alpert had been booted out of Harvard by this time for not abiding by experimental protocols i.e. the test subject being wired up to EEG, EMG, ECG, GSR etc. whilst tripping. They argued that if you started to freak out you could easily think you were in an electric chair about to be executed and that the place to trip was out in the garden with Mozart playing. (Couldn't agree more.) The chancellor couldn't agree less.
Leary was desperately trying to convince society that LSD was an essential vitamin and should be put into city water supplies like fluoride. Silly boy. So they put him in the slammer where he teamed up with the Weathermen (terrorists?) and nestled in the arms of 'mother H' as he described getting into smack as the only way of coping with jail. Meanwhile Watts and Alpert managed not to get too hysterical and journeyed to the east looking for some sort of mystical experience in Buddhism and Hinduism as a substitute for acid. Both wrote great books and Alpert's 'Be Here Now' was my roadmap out of insanity. I also read Freud, Jung and RD Laing who turned the tables on Freud and Jung by arguing that man is born good and made bad by repression.
There were incidents back then where a kid of, say, about 14 drank punch at a party not realising that it had been spiced with LSD “just for fun” then, heading home by himself, starts to trip midst cars whizzing past, horns blaring, a great cacophony of sound, buildings appearing to move etc. whilst having no idea of what was happening to him and becomes terrified. He somehow makes it home in a very agitated state and his parents, having read sensationalist stories in the media about people on LSD thinking they can fly jump off a building to their death, going into mental hospitals and never getting out etc., see that his eyes are widely dilated and flip out, start screaming, ring for an ambulance, ring the cops and so on. This is just the sort of help this kid needs and he winds up in the bin as there is no come down, no resolution BECAUSE SOCIETY DOESN'T UNDERSTAND THAT IS IT'S HYSTERIA THAT LOCKS THE KID INTO HELL. There can be no come down in the bin as it simply reinforces his conviction that he has gone mad. White walls, no carpets or curtains to deaden sounds of footsteps, trolleys going past, bars on windows, all staff in uniforms of some sort, fear of ECT, fear of LOBOTOMY all reinforce his conviction that he is crazy and as long as he is locked into this psychotic state the staff are equally locked into the same conviction, especially once he starts to hear voices and possibly has fits.
Now contrast this with my first trip. I was walking into a milk bar in 1968 in Portland Vic Aust when I bumped into a couple of surfies I just knew vaguely and they asked me if I wanted to trip with them that afternoon. I was pretty depressed at the time and was becoming disenchanted with everything and I thought “Yeah why not.” We drove out of town to the beach on the Dutton way and walked along the beach watching the waves coming in and raving. I never laughed so much in my life, at the most ridiculous things and everything looked and sounded so extraordinary. This is what Leary called 'Set and setting', your mood at the time and where you were. I KNEW I was taking Acid, we went somewhere safe, I was with guys who didn't play freak out games and the experience was truly cathartic. Just like when a psychiatrist tripped with a schizophrenic and acted as his guide to produce a cathartic experience as a cure. I had never experienced anything like this in Christianity, quite the opposite in fact.
It was the discovery of LSD that ushered in an enormous renaissance in the understanding of the mind. It coincided with the anti-Vietnam anti war movement, the rise of modern feminism spearheaded by Germaine Greer, rock and roll, the anti-psychiatry movement by RD Laing whose own personal LSD experiences gave him a better understanding of schizophrenia than anyone alive at the time. He was a public psychiatrist in a Glasgow mental hospital. He said that a mental hospital was the very worst place on Earth to put someone with mental illness, that it was a psychosis factory and this was based on his own personal experience. I couldn't agree more.
Then there was the NOBEL prize winner Sir John Eccles who made major discoveries on the function of the brain based on experiments using LSD, on himself or rats I don't know. Psychiatrists 'tripped' with their patients, often SCHIZOPHENICS. The drug was called a psychotomimetic i.e., it mimicked psychosis. To understand psychoses, even the most enigmatic of ALL human states, the TERROR of catatonia you HAD to experience it, because up till then it was assumed that the catatonic was completely non compost (joke). I went catatonic about 15 times myself when I took huge doses of acid although I tried everything I could to avoid them. Going catatonic was the only way that I could ever understand panic attacks and write about them. I had this idea that there was another side. The psychopharmacologist, Sydney Cohen, said that normal society was unsane and that if it drove you insane you might just pass through it without getting diagnosed as schizophrenic and emerge out the other side. You can't be sane without understanding insanity and to do that you had to go insane. I couldn't go back and I couldn't stay in the same place.
To understand psychosis you didn't read a textbook. You went mad for a few hours. Abbie Hoffer and a colleague went mad themselves on adrenochrome in a local pub. This was a compound formed when adrenalin used to treat asthma as an antihistamine turned pink in the bottle when exposed to the sun. But they also determined the structure of it using a spectrophotometer in the lab, thereby combining the subjective with the objective. Personal experience plus lab. So MUCH of this understanding was based on peoples OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. Laing's own father died in a mental hospital diagnosed as a schizophrenic. It's pretty obvious that Laing went through a period of schizophrenia himself but doesn't say so because he knew that he would be utterly discredited. Where Laing stuffed up was that he had to take on the entire British establishment with beliefs that ran completely counter to it, and he paid NO ATTENTION WHATSOEVER TO DIET, didn't even think about. When Laing declared that capitalist society itself was schizophrenic he cut his own throat. This renaissance was finally crushed by repression, seen as something from the Devil himself. I'd say that the US military-industrial complex, with it's Rasputin Billy Graham, had a lot to do with this. The real Jesus, not the one in the New Testament, said 'The Light shineth in the darkness, but the darkness comprehended it not'.

My illness started like this -
One night before exams I could not sleep thinking that, it will take 10 more minutes to sleep,like that whole night passed. This was my first sleepless night.So,I got scared and said this to family members.As exam was near,and out of over-protectiveness,they made me sleep by making me eat Alprazolam .This was the beginning,I started having feelings like salvation and other hallucinations,which could have been termed as divine revelations instead of psychosis if I have born before psychiatry industry came up .

Bipolar and other mental illnesses can not be cured. This thread is utter nonsense and should be deleted. Mental illness is serious in our country. We just had a college grad student go crazy and kill innocent people at a movie theater in Colorado.
Please do not believe anything in this thread. It is an outrage.

That's pretty dogmatic of you CarlieN. Mental illness is serious in the US because IT is deranged and IT sent Holmes insane.

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I commented.
He has to be taken out of, solitary confinement, especially and placed into a non threatening friendly environment so that he can come out of his psychosis sufficiently to explain what happened from the time he went over the edge. This would be not long after starting his PhD and may have involved experimenting with LSD. It is HIS explanation that is needed to to stop this sort of thing repeating itself and it will not be forthcoming as long as he is treated like a rabid dog. He has to feel that he is not implicating himself by talking, meaning charges against him have to be dropped. Confined for his own protection. A big ask? No. He didn't kill and maim those people, the US did as it spawned him.

I believe that initially he wired up his flat with explosives to prevent another tenant taking his apartment, because he only had a month to get out once he resigned his PhD course and faced homelessness. The $26,000 he was paid by the NIH was probably all the money he had and he would have had to pay that back leaving him broke, psychotic and homeless, no friends, no offers of real help from ANYWHERE. So he uses the money to buy the explosives and the guns and ammo, keeping some for food. How much credit card debt did he have Was he paying his car off and was behind in payments, threatened with repossession? Backed into a corner with NO escape?

Being faced with forced eviction with the very real possibility of a confrontation with the police, in which case he could be shot dead, armed or not armed or with just a carving knife. Happens a lot in Australia, attitude good riddance. What the police don't seem to realise that every schizophrenic that reads or hears about the shooting of a schizophrenic, become terrified that they might be next. Very rarely is there an inquiry, which always exonerates the police anyway. Recently 5 cops in Victoria couldn't stop a 14 year old kid yielding a knife from advancing on them, despite using capsicum spray on him, and shot him dead. What about a dart tranquilliser gun, pure ammonia in some sort of water pistol. To many other paranoid schizophrenics that was MURDER.

What property he had would be thrown out into the street LEGALLY and stolen, possibly by neighbors only too keen to help out. Forget legal right for a psychotic. Everybody, police included, just ignore the law to get rid of a nutter. Hope he commits suicide. This is reality and what CREATES psychosis and a hatred of society that goes with it.

So I reckon he was initially preparing for a gun siege from his flat, having the strategic advantage of being on the second floor, preferring to die in his flat than out in the gutter somewhere. Who would care. NOBODY. How the hell do 3 shrinks help in any way. He needed REAL help, not coercive mumbo jumbo and a poisonous antipsyvhotic. Unfortunately it just ain't available. If it was there'd be no such thing as psychosis. So US, put yourself on trial.

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A comment was about all of the protocols involved in detaining someone seen as dangerous, enforced medication etc.

I replied
All of the psychiatry, all of the intervention and drugs don't help the patient one iota, just makes things worse. The LABEL schizophrenia means YOU ARE MAD and as such are TOTALLY unpredictable and capable of EXTREME violence, thereby frightening the patient as much as peers as to what he or she might do. Thus the label is EXTREMELY alienating. Alienation disconnects, disconnection breeds speculation which in turn feed paranoia on BOTH sided.

Antipsychotics are so toxic with such extreme side effects they just convince someone already paranoid they are being deliberately put down by the State. Enforced medication with Modecate just creates even more fear and RESENTMENT. None of this stuff addresses the alienation, worsening bullying, being avoided, patronized, debt, homelessness etc. that FEED psychosis. It is NOT hereditary but results from a process of abuse that may start at birth.

I've read a lot of the abstracts on schizophrenia at the Medical Dept Uni Col Denver and they are pretty bog standard stuff. A genetic predisposition to a defect in cognition crops up a lot in people diagnosed as schizophrenic, therefore said defect predisposes to schizophrenia. Bollocks. The defect in cognition makes the kid a bit 'weird' and might create learning difficulties, difficulties in communication etc. These differences single the kid out for merciless bullying and it is the BULLYING that creates schizophrenia and any resultant violence.

However, after something like this, NOBODY with admit to the tiniest bit of bullying, negligence, incompetence, being patronizing, ridiculing etc. whatsoever. Quite the opposite in fact. Everybody bent over backward till the fingers bled trying the help this ungrateful @#%&#*)*. All nod their heads in agreement with each other. Bang, bang, bang. Hey what the hell happened?

Just how many people actually knew that he was holed up in that flat, armed to the teeth, but were to scared to do anything, cops included, concerned that they MIGHT have contributed to the situation, but would NEVER admit it. Hope he'll blow his brains out then everyone can relax. Holmes would be able to work that out as he has NEVER received any real help whatsoever.

Any threats he made were an attempt to FORCE people to help when begging didn't work, to get PUBLICITY about his desperate plight. But all that did was scare people even more, himself included. What if he WANTED to be stopped from committing the massacre, hence sending Fenton the notebook with the drawing of stick figures being shot. Figured that if he got stopped, publicity would be inevitable and people would at last know of his desperation and he'd get all the help in the world, just like bushfire, flood and earthquake victims. Then when there was no response because the notebook was delayed in the mail, he figured that the system WANTED him to commit the massacre. Massacre becomes inevitable, Holmes by now TOTALLY psychotic, just a bit more so than the rest of the society that bays for his blood.

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Congratulations. I myself have had some kinds of mental disorder during my childhood, and I cured myself successfully with a strong will. Maybe later I will post my experiences, but now I am just not brave enough...