Abortion Debate Forum - Man with deformities recommends terminating

cmyked

replied on May 7th, 2008

Experienced User

Absolutely not; I think he's speaking from a very painful experience and has all the right in the world to say what he's said.

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Darkmoon

replied on May 7th, 2008

Active User, very eHealthy

Who could blame him for feeling the way he does? I can empathize because even if I wanted children I wouldn't spread my family's defective genes in order to have them. Everyone in my family is doomed to cancer. I'd adopt before creating another generation that must live with the fear of knowing they're going to end up eaten alive one day like everyone else in the family.

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aochriss

replied on May 8th, 2008

Extremely eHealthy

I agree with all of you.

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Lilly Ivy

replied on May 12th, 2008

Extremely eHealthy

I completely agree. IMO, not terminating a pregnancy that you KNOW is going to be deformed in some way (meaning they WILL be stared at no matter what) is just selfish. Yes you have your child, but what kind of life is it? Eating and breathing in some cases. Why would anyone want to live that way?

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NeutralUsername

replied on May 12th, 2008

Active User, very eHealthy

Lilly Ivy wrote:

I completely agree. IMO, not terminating a pregnancy that you KNOW is going to be deformed in some way (meaning they WILL be stared at no matter what) is just selfish. Yes you have your child, but what kind of life is it? Eating and breathing in some cases. Why would anyone want to live that way?

What if the fetus only has a deformed leg, for example? So, it's selfish to NOT abort a child who is not "perfect"?

I can understand EXTREME deformities. But, ones that do not cause pain?

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aochriss

replied on May 12th, 2008

Extremely eHealthy

antibigot wrote:

Lilly Ivy wrote:

I completely agree. IMO, not terminating a pregnancy that you KNOW is going to be deformed in some way (meaning they WILL be stared at no matter what) is just selfish. Yes you have your child, but what kind of life is it? Eating and breathing in some cases. Why would anyone want to live that way?

What if the fetus only has a deformed leg, for example? So, it's selfish to NOT abort a child who is not "perfect"?

I can understand EXTREME deformities. But, ones that do not cause pain?

So are you going to the one to decide for every couple which deformities they can terminate and which they cannot?

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cmyked

replied on May 12th, 2008

Experienced User

antibigot wrote:

Lilly Ivy wrote:

I completely agree. IMO, not terminating a pregnancy that you KNOW is going to be deformed in some way (meaning they WILL be stared at no matter what) is just selfish. Yes you have your child, but what kind of life is it? Eating and breathing in some cases. Why would anyone want to live that way?

What if the fetus only has a deformed leg, for example? So, it's selfish to NOT abort a child who is not "perfect"?

I can understand EXTREME deformities. But, ones that do not cause pain?

Any physical abnormality can cause emotional pain. This is a far out example, but I was teased as a child for having freckles. Now those aren't even a deformity, yet because I was different I was teased. Can you imagine what kind of teasing would come from something far more drastic than freckles?

Whether or not you get teased from it, any physical difference can still cause emotional pain. I'm not teased for my acne, but it still hurts my self-esteem very much.

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Birch

replied on May 12th, 2008

Extremely eHealthy

Mother's choice, and she doesn't have to justify it to me, ever.

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NeutralUsername

replied on May 13th, 2008

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aochriss wrote:

antibigot wrote:

Lilly Ivy wrote:

I completely agree. IMO, not terminating a pregnancy that you KNOW is going to be deformed in some way (meaning they WILL be stared at no matter what) is just selfish. Yes you have your child, but what kind of life is it? Eating and breathing in some cases. Why would anyone want to live that way?

What if the fetus only has a deformed leg, for example? So, it's selfish to NOT abort a child who is not "perfect"?

I can understand EXTREME deformities. But, ones that do not cause pain?

So are you going to the one to decide for every couple which deformities they can terminate and which they cannot?

THIS person I quoted has decided that it is selfish to NOT abort for any deformity. I just want to know if she thinks that it is better to abort in any situation where the fetus won't be born "perfect."

Does she see someone with a minor deformity, and think, "Ew, why didn't the mother abort him/her?" That is what I am trying to figure out. Does she think that ALL people with deformities have horrible lives?

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NeutralUsername

replied on May 13th, 2008

Active User, very eHealthy

cmyked wrote:

antibigot wrote:

Lilly Ivy wrote:

I completely agree. IMO, not terminating a pregnancy that you KNOW is going to be deformed in some way (meaning they WILL be stared at no matter what) is just selfish. Yes you have your child, but what kind of life is it? Eating and breathing in some cases. Why would anyone want to live that way?

What if the fetus only has a deformed leg, for example? So, it's selfish to NOT abort a child who is not "perfect"?

I can understand EXTREME deformities. But, ones that do not cause pain?

Any physical abnormality can cause emotional pain. This is a far out example, but I was teased as a child for having freckles. Now those aren't even a deformity, yet because I was different I was teased. Can you imagine what kind of teasing would come from something far more drastic than freckles?

Whether or not you get teased from it, any physical difference can still cause emotional pain. I'm not teased for my acne, but it still hurts my self-esteem very much.

The people who do the teasing have the REAL issues.

I have MANY imperfections. But, the people who picked on me are the ones with low self-esteem. They just want to feel better about themselves.

If people stopped being jerks and putting others down, there wouldn't be a problem with being "imperfect."

Aborting for not being perfect seems dangerous to me. And how will the mother feel if she does finally give birth to a "normal" baby and that baby becomes deformed due to some accident? To many pro-lifers, aborting for even minor problems is a form of discrimination.

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aochriss

replied on May 13th, 2008

Extremely eHealthy

antibigot wrote:

aochriss wrote:

antibigot wrote:

Lilly Ivy wrote:

I completely agree. IMO, not terminating a pregnancy that you KNOW is going to be deformed in some way (meaning they WILL be stared at no matter what) is just selfish. Yes you have your child, but what kind of life is it? Eating and breathing in some cases. Why would anyone want to live that way?

What if the fetus only has a deformed leg, for example? So, it's selfish to NOT abort a child who is not "perfect"?

I can understand EXTREME deformities. But, ones that do not cause pain?

So are you going to the one to decide for every couple which deformities they can terminate and which they cannot?

THIS person I quoted has decided that it is selfish to NOT abort for any deformity. I just want to know if she thinks that it is better to abort in any situation where the fetus won't be born "perfect."

Does she see someone with a minor deformity, and think, "Ew, why didn't the mother abort him/her?" That is what I am trying to figure out. Does she think that ALL people with deformities have horrible lives?

Thanks for clarifying that, and I apologize for not reading the whole thing n context. Embarassed

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ri0tdorque

replied on May 15th, 2008

New User

Birch wrote:

Mother's choice, and she doesn't have to justify it to me, ever.

I could not have said it better myself.

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jujujellybean

replied on May 16th, 2008

Experienced User

Lilly Ivy wrote:

I completely agree. IMO, not terminating a pregnancy that you KNOW is going to be deformed in some way (meaning they WILL be stared at no matter what) is just selfish. Yes you have your child, but what kind of life is it? Eating and breathing in some cases. Why would anyone want to live that way?

You would know that how? "who would want to live that way?" What if someone does? That's the point; you don't know, and either way it kills a person. You wouldn't agree with killing that man now!

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oopoopoop

replied on May 17th, 2008

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jujujellybean wrote:

Lilly Ivy wrote:

I completely agree. IMO, not terminating a pregnancy that you KNOW is going to be deformed in some way (meaning they WILL be stared at no matter what) is just selfish. Yes you have your child, but what kind of life is it? Eating and breathing in some cases. Why would anyone want to live that way?

You would know that how? "who would want to live that way?" What if someone does? That's the point; you don't know, and either way it kills a person. You wouldn't agree with killing that man now!

So when the man says he would not want to put anyone through what he's been through, you think you know better? He knows that if he had never been born, he would not have had to endure the suffering, and would not have known that he was never born.

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jujujellybean

replied on May 17th, 2008

Experienced User

let me say this, then:
"You can't make that choice for someone! How dare you tell someone what they can and can't do with their body! Who is he to say that the person should terminate? How DARE he? Just because it was a bad experience for him, doesn't mean that it will always turn out that way!"

So if I gave you a story (I could really give you soooo many!) about women that have had awful abortions and have never recovered or haven't had kids again, you would say that abortion should be illegal right? Because obviously these women know better? Smile

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aochriss

replied on May 17th, 2008

Extremely eHealthy

juju, there are plenty of circumstances in which it would be better not to be born.

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jujujellybean

replied on May 17th, 2008

Experienced User

and you obviously wouldn't agree with killing them after they were born!

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Snug

replied on May 17th, 2008

Experienced User

jujujellybean wrote:

So if I gave you a story (I could really give you soooo many!) about women that have had awful abortions and have never recovered or haven't had kids again, you would say that abortion should be illegal right? Because obviously these women know better? Smile

Women who have had abortions they regret, and try to take away the ability to abort from every other woman because of it, often come across as sanctimonious bores. They had no problem exercising THEIR right to choose. But they work day and night to keep anyone else from availing themselves of that right.

When I read some testimonial that says, "I think about my baby every day, and pray that he/she will forgive me for killing him/her," I always think, "There's somebody who was obviously ambivalent, and shouldn't have had an abortion in the first place."

When I read about someone who blames their infertility on abortion, my reaction is that there's a lot of infertile women who've never had an abortion, and there's a difference between correlation and causation.

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cmyked

replied on May 18th, 2008

Experienced User

jujujellybean wrote:

let me say this, then:
"You can't make that choice for someone! How dare you tell someone what they can and can't do with their body! Who is he to say that the person should terminate? How DARE he? Just because it was a bad experience for him, doesn't mean that it will always turn out that way!"

So if I gave you a story (I could really give you soooo many!) about women that have had awful abortions and have never recovered or haven't had kids again, you would say that abortion should be illegal right? Because obviously these women know better? Smile

1. Infertility cause by abortion is as rare as maternal death; less than 1% of women experience this. Death and debilitating complications caused by pregnancy is far, far higher.

2. The majority (aka, more than half, aka, most) of women who abort do NOT regret their decision.

Some people regret going to a movie they didn't like. Does this mean NO ONE should see it? Maybe that person was really offended by it. Does this mean I have no right to see it?

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