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Q: Let us talk about slippery slopes.
asked by: Darkmoon on April 5th, 2009
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For your consideration:

Pregnant women are demonized when they do anything that might compromise the health of the fetus they are carrying, from simple things like scooping cat litter and eating sushi to more obvious things like having a beer or smoking a cigarette.

Many people on BOTH sides feel that it is their right and privilege to not only criticize pregnant women for doing the same things everyone else is legally allowed to indulge in, but outright DISCRIMINATE against them. Yes, I said DISCRIMINATE. A waiter/waitress can refuse to serve a pregnant woman a glass of wine or a beer with her meal and because society is so insane now about every teensy thing a pregnant woman puts in her body, more often than not the person in question can get away with this sexism. Yes, I said sexism, because that is what it is. A man expecting offspring will never be refused service based on his reproductive status. His body will never be used by anyone other than himself. All he has to do to beget offspring is grunt and enjoy himself.

Never mind that the same things people come down so hard on pregnant women for can equally affect the sperm. Never mind that even if a woman never touches alcohol or cigarettes in her life, her partner could cause birth defects by smoking, drinking or exposing himself to chemicals before he even gets her pregnant. Nobody CARES about the damage men do to their potential offspring...only about what the women do when they're enslaved...er...knocked up.

I have seen more than my share of so-called "prochoicers" labeling women who smoke while pregnant with some pretty vile names and some of them even advocate special laws to restrict only pregnant women from the same chemicals that everyone else is free to indulge in.

This is not a question of whether it's good or bad, right or wrong to smoke, drink, skydive, go horseback riding, scoop litter, eat fish, watch TV or whatever the hell else they can come up with that could cause potential two-headed babies. This is about how women are treated when pregnant and what is going to happen to females EVERYWHERE of breeding age if prolifers get their way.

Imagine having your rights completely removed from you the moment you hit puberty and never having the same freedom as your male counterparts again until you've reached the age where menopause chews you up and spits you out. Who would want to live that way?

This is what would happen if women are forced to breed against their will. People discriminate against pregnant women and if all pregnancies are compelled by law to gestate to full term, then women might as well be chained inside a box and made to birth and nurse until they're too old to do it anymore. You don't have a choice in carrying and you no longer have the same rights as everyone else because you're pregnant. Men of course would be blessedly free of these chains, as they've always been.

I want people to take a good, hard look at the way society treats pregnant women and ask themselves if they would really stand for being treated as a farm animal or a child. Would men allow strange people to touch their stomachs for "luck"? Give me a break. People treat pregnant women as barely human. Even prochoicers generally don't want pregnant women to have the same rights as others.

Don't advocate slavery. Support choice. If it's worth the patronizing treatment from others to a woman, she really wants a child. If not, then she doesn't and forcing her to endure being treated as a second-class citizen along with the rigors of gestation and birth would be slavery, simple and true.

*Edit: Okay, WHY is it putting two commas in the bloody heading? I typed it as "Let's talk about slippery slopes" but it continues to show up as "Let''s" and if I edit the comma out of it, it doesn't show up at all. I'm very unhappy with the way this board is going lately.
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Thank you....

I smoked while I was pregnant, neither child has any problems but I always stayed home or smoked inside the house because someone always had something to say. Not only was I criticized I was humiliated by others, I was told I was a horrible mother or not worthy of children and that I was abusing them.

Maybe I am going slightly off topic but the results of this patriarchal society really affects me and other people. Their father could drink while I was pregnant without criticism, it was expected because of course I was something inhuman hormonal being.

At one point I was denied sex because person "kids father" thought that he would hurt the baby by having sex, shoot me.

I think that if a woman is pregnant and she cannot drink, then neither should the partner, he should be limited in the same sense, during the pregnancy.
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The whole "not drinking" thing is pants, anyway.

From here: potsdam.edu/hansondj/FetalAlcoholSyndrome. html

"A large study examined 400,000 women in the U.S., all of whom had consumed alcohol during pregnancy. Not a single case of fetal alcohol syndrome occurred and no adverse effects on children were found when consumption was under 8.5 drinks per week.

A review of research studies found that fetal alcohol syndrome only occurs among alcoholics. The evidence is clear that there is no apparent risk to a child when the pregnant woman consumes no more than one drink per day.


A study of moderate drinking during pregnancy found no negative effects. The researchers suggested that one drink per day provides a significant margin of safety, although they did not encourage drinking during pregnancy. "

"Similarly, the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists concluded that "there is no evidence that an occasional drink is harmful. Women who drink heavily throughout pregnancy may have smaller babies with physical and mental handicaps, but women who drink moderately may have babies with no more problems than those women who drink rarely or not at all."

And this is funny:

" "One drink can hurt your foetus," a mass media campaign in the province of Quebec, was dropped after a number of women who had consumed a single drink while pregnant, often before realizing they were expectant, began demanding abortions."
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LOL, that last quote made me laugh.

"Whoops, now women are aborting! Maybe we should stop our campaign of overly dramatic lies!"
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oopoopoop wrote:
And this is funny:

" "One drink can hurt your foetus," a mass media campaign in the province of Quebec, was dropped after a number of women who had consumed a single drink while pregnant, often before realizing they were expectant, began demanding abortions."


I'm from Quebec and they had posters everywhere, in bus stops, bars, shopping malls, pamphlets etc.... It would say something like alcohol and pregnancy do not mix type of thing.

When I spoke to my dr about drinking during pregnancy, he said the odd drink(moderation) would not hurt and may actually relieve stress, I asked about having a drink for xmas season.
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Re: Let us talk about slippery slopes.
Darkmoon wrote:
For your consideration:

Pregnant women are demonized when they do anything that might compromise the health of the fetus they are carrying, from simple things like scooping cat litter and eating sushi to more obvious things like having a beer or smoking a cigarette.

Many people on BOTH sides feel that it is their right and privilege to not only criticize pregnant women for doing the same things everyone else is legally allowed to indulge in, but outright DISCRIMINATE against them. Yes, I said DISCRIMINATE. A waiter/waitress can refuse to serve a pregnant woman a glass of wine or a beer with her meal and because society is so insane now about every teensy thing a pregnant woman puts in her body, more often than not the person in question can get away with this sexism. Yes, I said sexism, because that is what it is. A man expecting offspring will never be refused service based on his reproductive status. His body will never be used by anyone other than himself. All he has to do to beget offspring is grunt and enjoy himself.

Never mind that the same things people come down so hard on pregnant women for can equally affect the sperm. Never mind that even if a woman never touches alcohol or cigarettes in her life, her partner could cause birth defects by smoking, drinking or exposing himself to chemicals before he even gets her pregnant. Nobody CARES about the damage men do to their potential offspring...only about what the women do when they're enslaved...er...knocked up.

I have seen more than my share of so-called "prochoicers" labeling women who smoke while pregnant with some pretty vile names and some of them even advocate special laws to restrict only pregnant women from the same chemicals that everyone else is free to indulge in.

This is not a question of whether it's good or bad, right or wrong to smoke, drink, skydive, go horseback riding, scoop litter, eat fish, watch TV or whatever the hell else they can come up with that could cause potential two-headed babies. This is about how women are treated when pregnant and what is going to happen to females EVERYWHERE of breeding age if prolifers get their way.

Imagine having your rights completely removed from you the moment you hit puberty and never having the same freedom as your male counterparts again until you've reached the age where menopause chews you up and spits you out. Who would want to live that way?

This is what would happen if women are forced to breed against their will. People discriminate against pregnant women and if all pregnancies are compelled by law to gestate to full term, then women might as well be chained inside a box and made to birth and nurse until they're too old to do it anymore. You don't have a choice in carrying and you no longer have the same rights as everyone else because you're pregnant. Men of course would be blessedly free of these chains, as they've always been.

I want people to take a good, hard look at the way society treats pregnant women and ask themselves if they would really stand for being treated as a farm animal or a child. Would men allow strange people to touch their stomachs for "luck"? Give me a break. People treat pregnant women as barely human. Even prochoicers generally don't want pregnant women to have the same rights as others.

Don't advocate slavery. Support choice. If it's worth the patronizing treatment from others to a woman, she really wants a child. If not, then she doesn't and forcing her to endure being treated as a second-class citizen along with the rigors of gestation and birth would be slavery, simple and true.

*Edit: Okay, WHY is it putting two commas in the bloody heading? I typed it as "Let's talk about slippery slopes" but it continues to show up as "Let''s" and if I edit the comma out of it, it doesn't show up at all. I'm very unhappy with the way this board is going lately.


Smoking and drinking directly affect the fetus. Who gets fetal alcohol syndrome?

I've heard pro-choicers who claim that a late-term fetus does not feel pain during an abortion because they get the anesthesia the woman gets. Interesting how those same pro-choicers don't think drinking and smoking does nothing to a fetus. Since when is alcohol and nicotine good for developing humans? Is it good for newborns? If it doesn't harm fetuses, then why is it illegal for minors to drink and smoke?
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If you support a woman damaging her fetus intentionally with potentially harmful legal substances such as alcohol and nicotine, then you obviously have no problem with babies being born with health issues. I thought pro-choicers are supposed to care about the born?
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diamondsz wrote:
Thank you....

I smoked while I was pregnant, neither child has any problems but I always stayed home or smoked inside the house because someone always had something to say. Not only was I criticized I was humiliated by others, I was told I was a horrible mother or not worthy of children and that I was abusing them.

Maybe I am going slightly off topic but the results of this patriarchal society really affects me and other people. Their father could drink while I was pregnant without criticism, it was expected because of course I was something inhuman hormonal being.

At one point I was denied sex because person "kids father" thought that he would hurt the baby by having sex, shoot me.

I think that if a woman is pregnant and she cannot drink, then neither should the partner, he should be limited in the same sense, during the pregnancy.


Your children are still young. Give it time. And don't be surprised if your children end up with certain health problems, even learning disabilities. Whatever went to your body also went to your unborn's body. They were still developing. If smoking is bad for the born, why would it NOT be bad for the unborn? If it is okay for fetuses and does no harm, why can't born children smoke?
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The fetus is inside of the woman's body and it would be unconstitutional to deny pregnant women the same rights as everyone else. Ideally she should willingly avoid alcohol and nicotine abuse but if smoking were as dramatically damaging to the unborn as people claim, most of my generation wouldn't have made it to adulthood.

I'm saying it's wrong to legally dictate that pregnant women can't have substances that are legal for everyone else. Women don't lose their personhood when they become pregnant and they should be just as entitled to having a drink with dinner or a cigarette afterwards as everyone else.

Your comments, NUN, only reinforce my main point. The amount of hysteria over what women put in their bodies during pregnancy is getting out of control and it's becoming more popular to police them in a way that you or I will never be policed. It's a violation of civil rights and if women are forced to continue unwanted pregnancy and denied the same rights as everyone else while pregnant, it's slavery.
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Darkmoon wrote:
The fetus is inside of the woman's body and it would be unconstitutional to deny pregnant women the same rights as everyone else. Ideally she should willingly avoid alcohol and nicotine abuse but if smoking were as dramatically damaging to the unborn as people claim, most of my generation wouldn't have made it to adulthood.

I'm saying it's wrong to legally dictate that pregnant women can't have substances that are legal for everyone else. Women don't lose their personhood when they become pregnant and they should be just as entitled to having a drink with dinner or a cigarette afterwards as everyone else.

Your comments, NUN, only reinforce my main point. The amount of hysteria over what women put in their bodies during pregnancy is getting out of control and it's becoming more popular to police them in a way that you or I will never be policed. It's a violation of civil rights and if women are forced to continue unwanted pregnancy and denied the same rights as everyone else while pregnant, it's slavery.


So, tell me. Do you care about the unborn who ARE born with health problems due to the woman's drinking or smoking? If you don't believe these substances are harmful to the unborn, do you also believe they are not harmful to the woman herself? What about illegal drugs? Do they harm the fetus? If you support women who damage their unborn, you support them giving birth to children with health problems. If a baby is born with fetal alcohol syndrome, how could you care about that baby if you saw no problem with the woman abusing alcohol?

Just where do you think the unborn baby gets its nutrients from? Why should you force someone to be born with these substances in THEIR bodies?
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I think NUN also didn't bother, like most of the planet, to examine the evidence. The idea that ONE drink will damage a fetus is nuts.

What is also NUTS is that none of these pregnancy-fascists seem to give two squats about what people feed their sprogs -- caffeinted soft drinks, crap with additives in it, and basically let's not even think about how little a huge number of women know about nutrition -- here, have a packet of cheese and onion crisps and a Coke, buddy. Honestly, a beer every day is going to do less harm to your brat than what it's being fed after it's born.
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oopoopoop wrote:
I think NUN also didn't bother, like most of the planet, to examine the evidence. The idea that ONE drink will damage a fetus is nuts.

What is also NUTS is that none of these pregnancy-fascists seem to give two squats about what people feed their sprogs -- caffeinted soft drinks, crap with additives in it, and basically let's not even think about how little a huge number of women know about nutrition -- here, have a packet of cheese and onion crisps and a Coke, buddy. Honestly, a beer every day is going to do less harm to your brat than what it's being fed after it's born.


I didn't say that just one drink would do damage. But, why take the risk? Wouldn't the alcohol go to the fetus, no matter how small the amount?

Remember, the fetus is DEVELOPING. There IS a reason why children aren't allowed to consume alcohol and use tobacco products! It actually does harm. Young human bodies (in the womb and outside) are different than adults.
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I didn't say that just one drink would do damage. But, why take the risk? Wouldn't the alcohol go to the fetus, no matter how small the amount?

Remember, the fetus is DEVELOPING. There IS a reason why children aren't allowed to consume alcohol and use tobacco products! It actually does harm. Young human bodies (in the womb and outside) are different than adults.


But it is the DENIAL of the control of her own body by a pregnant woman that is the issue. If a woman is pregnant and wants a beer, that should be up to her. Unless someone says that men are not allowed to smoke or drink, since they will damage their sperm and cause defects in the fetus. But all of a sudden, once a woman is pregnant, every tom dick and harry thinks they have more of a say about what she puts into her own body than she does. Fine -- convince women to take better care of themselves, but don't make her body public property and treat her like an imbecile.
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oopoopoop wrote:
NeutralUsername wrote:


I didn't say that just one drink would do damage. But, why take the risk? Wouldn't the alcohol go to the fetus, no matter how small the amount?

Remember, the fetus is DEVELOPING. There IS a reason why children aren't allowed to consume alcohol and use tobacco products! It actually does harm. Young human bodies (in the womb and outside) are different than adults.


But it is the DENIAL of the control of her own body by a pregnant woman that is the issue. If a woman is pregnant and wants a beer, that should be up to her. Unless someone says that men are not allowed to smoke or drink, since they will damage their sperm and cause defects in the fetus. But all of a sudden, once a woman is pregnant, every tom dick and harry thinks they have more of a say about what she puts into her own body than she does. Fine -- convince women to take better care of themselves, but don't make her body public property and treat her like an imbecile.


What about the children who are born with health problems due to drinking and smoking? It is too late for them. Sure, they now have a right to their bodies, but the damage was already done.

It may be the woman's body, but the drinking and smoking is more harmful to another body-the body of the fetus.
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NeutralUsername wrote:


What about the children who are born with health problems due to drinking and smoking? It is too late for them. Sure, they now have a right to their bodies, but the damage was already done.

It may be the woman's body, but the drinking and smoking is more harmful to another body-the body of the fetus.


Are you purposely trying to miss the point, here? Everytime someone over-imbibes and drives away, other people are at risk of being hit by him--yet nobody is trying to deny alcohol to men or non-pregnant women despite the risk of drunk driving. Every time anyone lights up a cigarette in public, someone else could walk close enough to inhale some of it or the wind could shift and carry it over to other people--yet cigarettes are (for the most part) legal. Are you aware that drinking effects men's sperm and therefore, future children they might sire? Are you aware that alcohol abuse during pregnancy isn't the only time it can damage fetal growth and health?

You're seeing things through a safety net of male privilege. Try to understand that the problem is DISCRIMINATION against pregnant women...which is something that you will never be subjected to and therefore obviously can't relate to on a personal level. You're out of the danger zone but women aren't. Until someone finds a way to incubate offspring in an artificial womb or outlaws all harmful substances for everyone-including men-it would be unconstitutional to restrict ONE group of people from the use of perfectly LEGAL substances and I don't care if they're wearing the durned fetus on their friggen head! You CAN NOT take rights away from one target group without violating their civil rights! How hard is that to understand?

If women are legally compelled to carry every accidental pregnancy to term and pregnant women aren't allowed to smoke or drink, what would you call that? You're forcing them to breed AND yanking the rest of their civil rights out from under their feet. You'd be forcing them to use allow use of their body against their will and punishing them if anything went wrong with the pregnancy, even if it's the male's sperm that caused fetal abnormalities. People want to restrict pregnant women while overlooking the defects that can be caused by alcohol saturated sperm.

Targeting ONLY pregnant women with legal restrictions is just discrimination. If it's really about fetal health, then nobody capable of reproduction should be allowed to drink or smoke. People continuously overlook the long-term effect that drinking has on sperm. Hell, if you were to start planning a family and went to a doctor for advise, he/she's tell you not to drink for a month before trying to impregnate your wife so that you have time to make healthier sperm.

The issue here is not about what women should do (though the chicken little's of the world seem to think women should just live in plastic bubbles once they're knocked up), it's about blatantly discriminating against them and denying them the same rights as everyone else, under the false pretense that a few cups of coffee or a beer is going to make them have a two-headed baby.

By the by, people with all sorts of genetic problems continue to reproduce even when they know it will result in sickly children. Should they be restricted from breeding? Should their children be able to press charges against them when they inherit a bad heart, asthma or diabetes? People breed all the time knowing they won't have healthy kids.
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[Your children are still young. Give it time. And don't be surprised if your children end up with certain health problems, even learning disabilities. Whatever went to your body also went to your unborn's body. They were still developing. If smoking is bad for the born, why would it NOT be bad for the unborn? If it is okay for fetuses and does no harm, why can't born children smoke?


I'm also a carrier for muscular dystrophy maybe I should have aborted or better yet we will wait a few years for it to develop.

Born children can smoke btw just can't buy cigarettes although there is no law prohibiting from lighting up. I have seen kids smoking from ages 7 and up, trust me its around but more common in teenagers.
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Darkmoon wrote:
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What about the children who are born with health problems due to drinking and smoking? It is too late for them. Sure, they now have a right to their bodies, but the damage was already done.

It may be the woman's body, but the drinking and smoking is more harmful to another body-the body of the fetus.


Are you purposely trying to miss the point, here? Everytime someone over-imbibes and drives away, other people are at risk of being hit by him--yet nobody is trying to deny alcohol to men or non-pregnant women despite the risk of drunk driving. Every time anyone lights up a cigarette in public, someone else could walk close enough to inhale some of it or the wind could shift and carry it over to other people--yet cigarettes are (for the most part) legal. Are you aware that drinking effects men's sperm and therefore, future children they might sire? Are you aware that alcohol abuse during pregnancy isn't the only time it can damage fetal growth and health?

You're seeing things through a safety net of male privilege. Try to understand that the problem is DISCRIMINATION against pregnant women...which is something that you will never be subjected to and therefore obviously can't relate to on a personal level. You're out of the danger zone but women aren't. Until someone finds a way to incubate offspring in an artificial womb or outlaws all harmful substances for everyone-including men-it would be unconstitutional to restrict ONE group of people from the use of perfectly LEGAL substances and I don't care if they're wearing the durned fetus on their friggen head! You CAN NOT take rights away from one target group without violating their civil rights! How hard is that to understand?

If women are legally compelled to carry every accidental pregnancy to term and pregnant women aren't allowed to smoke or drink, what would you call that? You're forcing them to breed AND yanking the rest of their civil rights out from under their feet. You'd be forcing them to use allow use of their body against their will and punishing them if anything went wrong with the pregnancy, even if it's the male's sperm that caused fetal abnormalities. People want to restrict pregnant women while overlooking the defects that can be caused by alcohol saturated sperm.

Targeting ONLY pregnant women with legal restrictions is just discrimination. If it's really about fetal health, then nobody capable of reproduction should be allowed to drink or smoke. People continuously overlook the long-term effect that drinking has on sperm. Hell, if you were to start planning a family and went to a doctor for advise, he/she's tell you not to drink for a month before trying to impregnate your wife so that you have time to make healthier sperm.

The issue here is not about what women should do (though the chicken little's of the world seem to think women should just live in plastic bubbles once they're knocked up), it's about blatantly discriminating against them and denying them the same rights as everyone else, under the false pretense that a few cups of coffee or a beer is going to make them have a two-headed baby.

By the by, people with all sorts of genetic problems continue to reproduce even when they know it will result in sickly children. Should they be restricted from breeding? Should their children be able to press charges against them when they inherit a bad heart, asthma or diabetes? People breed all the time knowing they won't have healthy kids.


When a pregnant woman drinks or smokes, there is ALREADY a developing human fetus there. It directly affects the health of that fetus. Drinking too much alcohol and smoking is unhealthy for adults. Cigarettes and other tobacco products even have warnings on them. Since it's bad for adults, it will be much worse for the fetus. And when that fetus is born, they are stuck with health problems that could have been prevented.

I'm talking about wanted pregnancies and intentional use of these substances here. Why would a woman continue using these substances if she wants to stay pregnant? I do not feel that she REALLY cares about her unborn child. And when a woman says that nothing is wrong with her child, it's usually when the child is still too young to notice any problems.
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diamondsz wrote:
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[Your children are still young. Give it time. And don't be surprised if your children end up with certain health problems, even learning disabilities. Whatever went to your body also went to your unborn's body. They were still developing. If smoking is bad for the born, why would it NOT be bad for the unborn? If it is okay for fetuses and does no harm, why can't born children smoke?


I'm also a carrier for muscular dystrophy maybe I should have aborted or better yet we will wait a few years for it to develop.

Born children can smoke btw just can't buy cigarettes although there is no law prohibiting from lighting up. I have seen kids smoking from ages 7 and up, trust me its around but more common in teenagers.


Being a carrier for a medical problem is not the same as putting a dangerous substance in your body. If your children develop health problems due to your smoking, they could have been prevented. It does not matter what else could have happened to them. Why add to the risks?

Also, in most of the US (where I live), it is actually illegal to buy AND be in possession of tobacco products. So,you can't smoke it without being in possession of cigarettes! And, the laws are getting more strict, even for adults. In some states, you can't light up in public buildings or you must be a certain distance away from buildings.
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[I'm talking about wanted pregnancies and intentional use of these substances here. Why would a woman continue using these substances if she wants to stay pregnant? I do not feel that she REALLY cares about her unborn child. And when a woman says that nothing is wrong with her child, it's usually when the child is still too young to notice any problems.


UVA rays are bad for pregnancies, therefore we should lock every woman in a dark room while she is pregnant but definatly no tanning. Mercury is harmful to a pregnancy, therefore the consumption of fish, seafood and water in certain areas is out. Driving a car is dangerous or even travelling because your blood pressure usually drops alot in the beginning of the pregnancy, therefore we should remove their driver licenses and not allow them out.

Hot dogs and any food that is packaged,canned should not be eaten because of the chemicals and high salt contents, which cause multiple problems.

Everything is harmful in a pregnancy, therefore we should be locked in a dark cage and drink only bottled water...

If you think this is farfetched read up on history, a few weeks to a few months before delivery, woman were secluded in a room, with barred windows and dark curtain, they were bed ridden and if they were lucky had servants to attend to their needs. A woman was considered unclean before delivering and a few weeks after (33 days for a boy and 66 days for a girl.)

Oh btw if you didn't folic acid before a pregnancy you could put your z/e/f at risk...

Too many rules..
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diamondsz wrote:
NeutralUsername wrote:
[I'm talking about wanted pregnancies and intentional use of these substances here. Why would a woman continue using these substances if she wants to stay pregnant? I do not feel that she REALLY cares about her unborn child. And when a woman says that nothing is wrong with her child, it's usually when the child is still too young to notice any problems.


UVA rays are bad for pregnancies, therefore we should lock every woman in a dark room while she is pregnant but definatly no tanning. Mercury is harmful to a pregnancy, therefore the consumption of fish, seafood and water in certain areas is out. Driving a car is dangerous or even travelling because your blood pressure usually drops alot in the beginning of the pregnancy, therefore we should remove their driver licenses and not allow them out.

Hot dogs and any food that is packaged,canned should not be eaten because of the chemicals and high salt contents, which cause multiple problems.

Everything is harmful in a pregnancy, therefore we should be locked in a dark cage and drink only bottled water...

If you think this is farfetched read up on history, a few weeks to a few months before delivery, woman were secluded in a room, with barred windows and dark curtain, they were bed ridden and if they were lucky had servants to attend to their needs. A woman was considered unclean before delivering and a few weeks after (33 days for a boy and 66 days for a girl.)

Oh btw if you didn't folic acid before a pregnancy you could put your z/e/f at risk...

Too many rules..


So...you figured it would be okay to force nicotine and tobacco on your unborn children? There is no nice way to put this. You knew it would be harmful but you did it anyway. Because it was your body and it didn't matter what happened to your children's bodies? Why did you take that risk?

Would you make your born children smoke? Your unborn did not have the ability to stop the consumption of nicotine and tobacco.
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