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Kratom for opiate withdrawal (Page 2)


October 9th, 2011
I have been a heroin / methadone addict for near on twenty years. As anyone with any experience in opiate addiction will know I am terrified of the withdrawal .
At the moment I am on 20 ml of oral methadone and I'm thinking of going cold turkey and using kratom.
How much will I need and how do I use it?
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replied October 25th, 2011
Isn't it interesting that not one poster says "hey, this stuff doesn't work." erowid.org will give you accurate prep and dosing info for kratom. If you make tea, wash the plant before you boil it, and filter off or decant the grey goop that will settle out when the tea is left standing in the fridge. It hurts your stomach.

I would not eat kratom straight (without boiling or alcohol extraction) because you can get some real nasty bugs from foreign plant products. Like hepatitis. Make tea or buy (or prepare) extract or tincture. Go with a major supplier who has a high quality, no BS web page. You'll be able to tell who I mean.

And like the real experts (us) say: Getting clean is the next 30 days. Staying clean is the rest of your life--get support.
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replied January 16th, 2012
So far, no one on this blog has mentioned insomnia. I'm on day 10 after 6 years on herion (low dose). I have'nt slept yet, and after 25 days of no sleep the last time I tried to withdraw I went back to the stuff. I would like to know if anyone has had luck with Kratom for insomnia. I got some yesterday, but it is more a stimulant than a depresant. My pupils enlarged not compressed as I had expected. I took about 3 gms of super green indo powder a couple of hours before trying to sleep, and no luck. Wrong dose? Wrong type? there are several grades and come from several countries available to me here locally. Is there one type or dose I should try for insomnia. It's killin me. Any help would be appreciated
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replied January 16th, 2012
At low doseages it is a stimulant, at higher doses it is a suppresant. I think your problem may be too low of a dosage. It is very unique in that at smaller doses it does the stimulant thing, and you're busy and want to get things done. And at high doses it calms you down. Even gives you a "euphoric" feeling. I did some searches and got all this info. Can't remember the exact site, but it is a black page with green leaves as the border, and green lettering. It has ALL the info you will need regarding dosage and its effects at diferent levels. Also, you may try and find the tincture. It comes more concentrated therefore is easier to get the higher dosage needed to get past the stimulant stage. And I know it sounds silly, but I found that 3 bynedryl is pretty effective at helping with my restlesness.
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replied April 10th, 2012
Hello
you may have to take more as in small doses it will seem more like a stimulant but if you up your dose it will really help, like you i would get insomnia and I finally could get some rest thanks to Kratom!
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replied November 8th, 2011
aper using krantom
Best way is to taper the subs to 1/8th a day for at least 3 days. Then day four take 3-4 pills of krantom, next day take 3 pills, then 2 pills then 1 pill than your off. You need to use vitamins througout this and L-tyrosine for energy(Thomas method). The withdrawls won't be bad but you will lack energy. the supplements working out will get you over the hump.. Eat lots of chocolates and candy and drink more water than you think you need. You also need a emotional/or spiritual outlet during this time. I recommend whatever religious litature you are in to and praying. Reading Book mormon helped me.
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replied January 8th, 2012
kratom = getting myself back
I am 25, female, and about 88 lbs soaking wet. And a couple of months ago was diagnosed with Rheumatoid Arthritis. I kept telling everyone how much it hurt just to get out of bed. No one believed me, so i resorted to self medicating with hydrocodone by any means possible. Whether it was stealing, or putting my very small self in some pretty shady situations, never got so bad i was "trading" anything for the vic's, but still...This went on for probably 3-4 years. Then FINALLY someone listened. Didn't tell me i was just making the pain up, and i got a bonafied script. 8 months in, and it felt like id traded everything for a much more legal demon. Then a friend who owns a head shop shows me this new product she just got in called Kratom. She gave me a sample, and didn't think about it again. Until...i had been getting to the point i was waking up at 4:30 am reaching for my script. I counted hours inbetween doses. My entire mood revolved around do i have enough to get to my next refill. And that was always no. I'm sick of it. So i did some research on the Kratom, and one of the first thing that popped up was it helps with w/d symptoms. And mine were AWFUL! Cant even describe the pain, intestinal cramping, well most on this forum can relate. Kratom is a game changer, and i literally believe it is saving my life. No one weighinh 88 lbs should be taking 30mlg 3-4 times a day (weight is genetic, not self induced, have to clarify that a lot). I am now on day 7 with out my script, and its because of kratom. Its not the same by any means, the euphoria, life is GREAT, i wanna talk to EVERYONE because i feel dam good. But! I feel "normal", happy because I'm happy, not because i just took a pill. I cant describe it. Its been so so so long since ive felt my own emotions. I don't plan on staying on the kratom for more than another week. And ive been able to keep even that at a low dosage. I'm not worried about the kratom w/d and will gladly go through them knowing its the reason i got myself back. I suggest it to anyone who wants out, but is afraid of opiate w/d. Its not perfect, but it sure as hell is better than the alternatives. If i can do it. So can you!!!
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replied March 23rd, 2012
Hi everyone.
I have never been addicted to heroine or any other serious opiate- like OxyContin, methadone, but I find myself losing a battle with opiates anyway.

I did spend 8 months living on daily Vicodin due to a disorder, Interstitial Cystitus, which caused severe chronic pain. Like anyone on opiates, my body became used to the meds, and my dr and I were increasing the dosage drastically. Luckily, the pain got better. I slowly got of the meds. No big deal. I'm certainly not claiming I had no issues, I just don't remember having much trouble quitting the meds.
Unfortunately, a year later my disorder came back and kicked my ass. I was bed ridden for months because of the pain.
Then I found Kratom. The "wonder drug" it seemed. Well, Kratom helped me survive the pain, but I'm now severely addicted.

I read do many comments calling Kratom the wonder drug, or individuals looking down on those struggling with Kratom Addiction. people have little compassion, assuming Kratom addiction is not serious. After using 2-3 teaspoons, four times a day or more for over a year, I am positively addicted to a serious plant and it's ruining my life. Lately I've become excessively miserable, moody and bizarrely isolated. I don't blame the kratom, I blame myself snd my inability to quit.

Kratom can be very helpful if used properly, but it is an opiate and was considered one of the most serious drugs (along with heroine and cocaine) in the places it naturally grows: like Thailand. With so much dismissal of Kratom addicts, and so little honest and true information circulating, I think I'm not the only person struggling and feeling overwhelmed to deal with this problem.

Some of the problems long term Kratom use has caused me:
Severe constipation,
Lack of energy,
Loss of sex drive,
Moody behavior,
Depression,
And Eventually Severe Isolation.

Withdrawals cause a restless, irritable, pain that never seems to go away. Severe restless leg syndrome (NEVER had this before, can't believe how awful it is), diarrhea, nausea, insomnia, and the list goes on.
I've never had a chemical addiction before, and I wasn't prepared to fall so easily and deeply into the abyss.

I wanted to tell a little of my story, in case others can relate or help in any way.
For me, kratom is still a great tool for pain, but it can have an abysmal down side. Please research this before you leap!
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replied April 4th, 2012
Preface: I apologize in advance if this lengthy posting is not an appropriate reply, or if there is a thread better suited to this type of subjective history sharing. Please note that this is the first time I have EVER posted anything online, and the first time I have spoken openly about my addiction. My hope is that something in the following paragraphs resonates with someone out there and my story can be of some use to you on your road to recovery. I know that all of yours have been helpful to me in these early stages of mine. Thank you.

I have finally decided to come to terms with the fact that my hidden addiction is more than just a small problem. It is about to eat me alive.

I can relate to your situation, Benoibe, as I too have seen the darker side of Kratom. My addiction started with a love for oxycodone. As many, of you who stumble upon this post can relate: when first experienced, oxy is a dream drug. When I took oxy, I could become the contended, witty, and socially engaged person I wanted to be. When I was off of it, I was left empty and wanting more.

When my friends (who knew of my consumption) began to express concern about the frequency of my use, I responded by going underground...big time. (As far as anyone, inner circle or otherwise knows, I do not, nor have I ever had a problem with opiates...) Thus began my tumultuous, and always private love affair.

I started doing oxy the last semester of college (thank god I was so close to graduation) and while still graduating with honors, managed to get my first B grade in a three year stretch of straight A grades. Not that getting a B is anything to be ashamed of. It's a damn good grade, but I had made a promise to myself my sophomore year that my return to college was contingent on attaining straight A grades. This promise was made on the coattails of my freshman year which was wrought with C, D, and even F marks. The reason for my poor grades was due to excessive partying which oftentimes involved cocaine use. I kicked the cocaine cold turkey and haven't looked back, but for some reason, when my pill habit began to get out of control, I didn't hold myself accountable in the same way.

I simply hid it and cultivated it, until it has all but suffocated any other creative ambitions growing inside of me. Instead of addressing the issue, I made excuses for it, made room for it until now it often feels as though it is all that I have left.

It has been this way for four years. I am now almost 26. I am a high functioning addict: I have two jobs, one of which is professional in nature, the other is as a weekend bartender (I keep this job because of the easily pocketed cash tips that helps pay for my addiction, and because I have never had a propensity to abuse alcohol). Besides this I pay my bills on time, I have a successful, loving, and highly stable relationship (not counting the fact that I have a giant secret), and I have become accustomed to hiding and feeding what I consider to be my personal opiate demon/demi-god.

If there is anything you can take away from this post it is this: The ONE thing that has allowed me to continue my cycle of dependence is Kratom.

To satisfy my addition to pills, I am able to purchase nearly 70 10mg percocets from a single source once a month. As many of you can relate, I never used to purchase so many, and the ones I did oftentimes lasted me beyond the next possible re-up. Not anymore, now I take nearly 18 pills a day when I have them and run out in a little over three and a half days... the rest of the month is a waiting game, one which I have managed to extend with an increasing Kratom habit. At first the Kratom was a way to stave off wd symptoms but after a while it has turned into the main event. The funny thing is that I am much more afraid of quitting the Kratom than I am the percocet (I have tried on numerous occasions with limited success).

The percocet represents such a small fraction of my addiction now. Now my time is consumed by my daily dose of Kratom. Like many of you, I used to take 2 or 3 capsules one time a day, but I have now reached the towering height of 14 '00' sized capsules 1-3x per day. Just to be clear: it's not as though I get high from Kratom, as you might think with this large of a dose. Essentially what it does is allow me to get out of bed, dust off my professional work persona and get on with it. It allows me the energy to meet the demands of a customer relations based position in which I am required to be friendly, energetic, and likable to the client in addition to being a proactive and engaged member of my team. As anyone with a similar experience of a hidden addiction knows: this is beyond exhausting. By the time I come home I have nothing to offer the people I care about and no way to explain why. It is a lonely self-perpetuating hell.

Please be warned that Kratom is a wonderful, useful, and potent drug. This being said, it warrants ALL of the respect and wariness of any opiate and should NEVER be used long term. When considering using Kratom to taper off of a pill addiction, please listen to the experienced Kratom users. Just because it is readily available on the internet, does not make it impotent or easy to quit.

As an epilogue: for the past three days (literally straight sun up to WAY past sundown, I have been reading and researching and trying to wake myself the hell up to the reality of my problem. It has to end. More than anything, I feel as though there has GOT to be more to life than just maintaining. I have researched suboxone therapy, but like Kratom, it seems to be best used with extreme care and short term usage. I would be interested in hearing any personal experiences in which long term oxy/kratom users found a way out.

This quote, "It is never to late to be who you might have been" by George Elliot is the mantra to my ongoing quest for sanity, health, and a life free from dependency. I wish all of you who are lost in a life of dependency the opportunity to become the person you wanted to be before you found yourself so adrift. Thanks for listening.
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replied April 6th, 2012
I'd like to add my experience with Kratom in case it helps someone. I work in a demanding profession and am a single mom. I also have chronic fatigue syndrome and started taking Kratom hoping for some help with the fatigue (and also in retrospect, with the anxiety and depression I was experiencing) . My use quickly escalated out of control. Ive been taking it for over 1-1/2 years, usually 4 or more times per day in varying amounts. I have tried tapering. I have also taken two vacations in the last year in order to go cold turkey off this stuff and could not do it. The longest I made it was 6 days. I was still having what I can only describe as terrible RLS in the center of my being, along with horrible anxiety. To the person who has mentioned the extreme isolation theyve come to I just want to say I totally understand. What Kratom has done for me: caused exacerbation of depression and self-isolation. It has also made my fatigue much worse. I is a huge struggle just to get out of bed each day. I have researched and researched and so far have found no hope for a way out of this. I hope and pray that you do.
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replied November 23rd, 2012
its not an opiate tho, its just like an opiate. believe me you its a mental addiction, and that can cause physical pain. you just became dependent on something, just be glad its not real opiates because i was sso bad on percocet and vicodon that after a week of cold turkey with drawls my body physicly couldnt take it and my brain and body shut down and i was in a mild type of coma where my body just shut down and i woke up in the hospital for a couple days. like rebooting or reformating a computer, my brain reformated its self. nothing is worse to withdrawl from than pain meds, its a proven study. but if you really cant handle it then you need to quit taking kratom, pain meds or anything of the sort and take suboxones, suboxone is the best "wonder drug" for withdrawls off anything! and u cant get addicted what so ever. so look it up and hopefully it will get you back to normal. trust me
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replied July 19th, 2013
This fool right here does not know suboxone at all. I had typed a long reply slaying this guy for his lack of uneducated information, but I didn't have an account so ill just make it short. I was on subs for over a year, 3- 8mg strips a day. The whole point of getting on them was to get off my 3-5 30mg roxy a day habbit, an easy $100 a day. One day I grew tired of the taste and fact that I was still dependent, so I decided to quit. Long agonizing story short, I spent 3 weeks without leaving the bed or leaving the house in general because that meant I could go find some opiates. It took THREE WEEKS for the withdrawals to subside, tell me THAT'S not addictive, fool. My oxy withdrawals would last for a few days at most. And not only that but any doctor that is about to put you on suboxone will ask you which road you want to take "you want to be on these forever? Or a program in which we taper you down?" Because with this disease they won't taper you down on your dosage if that means throwing you into withdrawal and going out to look for more drugs. Anyway that's my little bit of info about how "non-addictive" suboxone is. Wow what a ignorant statement...
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replied January 21st, 2014
Ditto! I could not agree more.Suboxone is around 30 x stronger than morphine, and is absolute hell to come off of.After almost 20 years of opiate use(all legally prescribed) for chronic pain, all I did was trade one addiction for another. Add to that a 300 dollar office charge per month, not billed to insurance, plus the medicine cost!! Sorry. I am trying Kratom.
I was wary when the doc said at my initial appt., that I could end up on subs for many many years. I guess he was figuring I could put his kids thru college.....300x72? Sorry pal, I have to find a way out that won't put me in the poor house. I never wanted to be dependent on a medication, I am a housewife with a young child and a lot of responsibility. It just is so hard to face withdrawals,and I pray the kratom will help me get off this roller coaster!
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replied March 24th, 2012
Re: To ALL HEROIN/METHADONE/FENTANYL
Tcup1228 wrote:
To all who mess around with Opiate
I am an opiate addict/Heroin addict myself and I am trying to detox myself. Ive done it before and it sucks but I know it has to be done. My reason for writing this is simple. My cousin died 4 months ago today from the use of coming off methadone, and shooting fentanyl. He was 24 and wanted to quit. To all of those who use fentanyl, by smoking it eating it, cooking, it mainlining it, it is DEADLY, please get help. He was only 24


So sorry to hear that....fentanyl is, I fumble for words, in a class (Or should be) by itself. I was a $250.00 a day Heroin addict for seven years and kicked ct. I was
down for five months before I could do anything but suffer. I did Fentanyl patches
for 3 MONTHS and again, it was five months before I could function! Bad Drug....
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replied March 24th, 2012
Re: To ALL HEROIN/METHADONE/FENTANYL
Tcup1228 wrote:
To all who mess around with Opiate
I am an opiate addict/Heroin addict myself and I am trying to detox myself. Ive done it before and it sucks but I know it has to be done. My reason for writing this is simple. My cousin died 4 months ago today from the use of coming off methadone, and shooting fentanyl. He was 24 and wanted to quit. To all of those who use fentanyl, by smoking it eating it, cooking, it mainlining it, it is DEADLY, please get help. He was only 24


So sorry to hear that....fentanyl is, I fumble for words, in a class (Or should be) by itself. I was a $250.00 a day Heroin addict for seven years and kicked ct. I was
down for five months before I could do anything but suffer. I did Fentanyl patches
for 3 MONTHS and again, it was five months before I could function! Bad Drug....
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replied April 21st, 2012
What works for Opiate/Suboxone withdrawls? Kratom, good or bad?
I finished the most of the detox process, Day 5 today and I feel good. On day 1 I had nothing and was dreading the next 72 hours knowing that every second of every day I would be a crying baby. My friend had told me about Kratom. I called him up had told him that I was sick and sick of it. After he got off work he came over to my house and gave me a bunch of it and showed me how to prepare the tea.

Before I go any further I would like to say that I, myself, cannot compare it to opiates or any other substance that gets abused regularly. Him and I were in a halfway house for a time together and it's a year later, back to the same stupid stuff. We did pills, opiates and suboxone, both of us. I don't know how many of your so called "friends" in this game would give you any of their stuff if your both addicts let alone stop over everyday, out of the way, to make sure your stocked up when your sick. He gave me Kratom everyday for my detox and I am so grateful. He did not make me pay for any of it. It helped soooooo much. The only thing that I still had a big problem with in detoxing was, as I call them, "Rerun Dreams" and the waking up every second fighting to stay sleeping with shaking my leg or whatever. I had the chills/hot flashes, skin crawls, but with Kratom I didn't mind it, not one bit.

Now, I do feel like it can be abused. But, I don't think (personal opinion) that it would be close to the ridiculousness of the obsession of drugs. Anything can be abused, shopping, caffeine, over eating. So, in my book. It's okay, I'm not going to rob people to get Kratom or steal money from our rent fund, savings, ect. to get it. I haven't really heard of any bad things that it does to your body. Until I do, it's good in my book.
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replied April 28th, 2012
Kratom, a godsend
Hi all,
Going thru WD now, day 3-4, took my last half of Dilaudid on Wed. On day 2 I was really freaking, started looking for any natural remedies that could help. I have been thru WD from Hydrocodone, before, CT no help, man was that a bad week.
This is the second time I have gone thru WD, and it is a lot worse not sure if it is the Dilaudid or what... sorry I am rambling, the Kratom was a god send, I got it from a local smoke shop, and my god it stopped the worse of the WD symptoms in their track. It does not remove everything, it is still hard to focus, still a little shaky, but the sweats and RLS stopped. I have hi anxiety, get confused easily, but I have to say the Kratom is a miracle plant. I got a brand called Kratom OPM, it is a pak of 3 caps, 2 paks for $30. so far, it has really really helped, I was able to get about 6 hours of sleep and the shakes and sweats are stopped as long as I am on the Kratom. The caps last about 6 hours, when they wear off, you know, the WD show right back up with a vengeance, I am hoping the 6 I have will get me thru the worst of it, as I do not want to switch from one drug to another, I am trying to only take this when the WD symptoms get too bad, so far so good.
A note of encouragement for those who are trying to kick, you can do it, it is worth it. The pain will go away.
Sending you all some Strength, Love and Peace
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replied May 30th, 2013
OPM kratom is the best Kratom I have ever found, so I must agree with you on this being my choice for when I went thru WD. I have since then been getting this kratom and have more recently discovered the OPM liquid kratom and WOW. really, instant gratification, well as close as it gets, 2 minutes and it fully gratifies. hope this helps those in need. Peace.
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replied July 6th, 2012
THE MIRACLE OF IBOGAINE!!!!
There is a way out!! I was severely addicted to opiates for a number of years when my addiction came to a climax and i overdosed and almost died. When i was released from the hospital i went straight to the Methadone clinic where i started at 30 mg and worked my way up to 200 mg in a period of 3 years. i continued on that dose for another 1 year. I felt completely trapped, Methadone controlled every aspect of my life. I literally planned my whole life around my Methadone use. i then discovered a miracle addiction interruption treatment called Ibogaine. Ibogaine is a natural plant based alkaloid that is extracted from the Tabernanthe Iboga shrub that grows strictly in the Cameroon & Gabon area of West Africa. Ibogaine saved my life. I detoxed off of 200 mg Methadone in 48 hours with absolutely no withdrawal. If anybody is looking for a way out PLEASE google ibogaine. You will not be sorry!!!! It is an absolute miracle.
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replied April 28th, 2012
Let me echo what others are saying... do your home work, read up on it, understand what you are using it for, to help with WD, not as another high. Kratom like anything else in this world, has a price if you abuse it, and the pied piper always collects his due....
Will check back in later to let you know how I am doing.

Peace
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replied April 30th, 2012
Well day 5-6, feeling more like myself. A little more info on my slef kick using kratom; I started taking them about 24 hours into WD, right at the middle of the really bad times. The effect was fast and would last about 5 hours, then the WD symptoms would kick right back in, so hour six I would take another. I did this, 1 cap every 6 hours for the next day and a half. Then I started to space out the dosage, I waited 8 hours, then 12 hours, etc.. I am now at about 1 per day, and hopefully will stop those all together by the end of the week. Again, if you use this to help with WD, and not as a replacement drug, it can help. You have to want to stop your addiction, not just stop a certain med. I know I sound like I am preaching, but unless you are really looking to kick ALL of your addiction, Kratom is not going to do anything for you.
Peace
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replied May 8th, 2012
staying strong
Quick update, day 13, I got really depressed,about 7 days in, PAWS I believe, but was a wreck. This got better after a few days, but i reached out to my family doctor and let her know what I am doing . She started to offer pain meds after that animated conversation , she put me on Cymbalta. I did this for 4 days, but am too leary of it and have stopped.
As far as Kratom use, I stopped by day 8. Since then I have had 15mg yesterday to help with pain. This works, but am being cautious to not trade one for the other. ... trying to get to a doctor to get some shots in my back, hopefully with that, exercise and occasional kratom, i can stay off opiates.
Peace
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replied May 22nd, 2012
opiate user wanting to detox!
This post is very helpful. I've been addicted to oxy and now heroin (sniff) and would like to try another g o at detoxing and with this Kratom possibly.No idea where to order online though...anyone?
Thanks
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replied May 22nd, 2012
There are a few sites that list out good vendors. A couple that seem to have a good rep are kratomcompany and kratomking as well as IamShaman.

Good luck, I know this helped me!
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replied June 1st, 2012
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I NEED HELP DESPERATELY AND QUICK! I started pain management and they gave my 50mcg fentanyl patch and cut me off from methadone and oxydodone just LIKE THAT!. They said if I take anything else, I will be kicked out. Now, I am going thru massive withdrawals, and I can handle most, but, I already take meds for high blood pressure, so from the anxiety my bp levels are sky high at a dangerous level. Doc said he will allow valium and double my bp meds. I have taken 30 mgs of valium in 12 hr. time, and slapped on a 25mg patch too. Nothing helps. Will not prescribe colonidine for withdrawal help with blood pressure. I read about Kratom. My prob. I start new job training later today (might be not enough time at this point) that I do not want to mess up, cause I have been searching for almost two years and just stopped unemployment. Just asking what reputable online site can ship me some overnite saturday delivery? or where in Center City Philadelphia, or Cherry Hill NJ store might carry it? Please someone help. I don't have time for ER today, and truthfully, in the past they do nothing. (Even though I am legit as chronic pain person)
Anyone please let me know. my bp is 216 over 110 and I am a 60yr old lady with poor health.
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replied June 1st, 2012
Never mind all out there. I just got on a site and ordered overnite delivery for Saturday from Kratomking.
I just got to a quick reply box and sent my post without reading the last one or others. Amazing that the info I needed was right in front of me. See how withdrawals can turn your brain in poo? LOL! I am still in very poor condition and hope I don't have to go to ER anyway after my new job training today for 2 hrs. Thankfully, it is at my home office on the computer. If anyone here wants to reply or give some support, I'll welcome it.
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replied June 1st, 2012
Hi Star,(you can also look for local smoke shops, many of them carry this in pill form, just call up and ask). If you got the powder, you will need to eat the whole thing, making tea does not really give you the full benefits, but I have to warn you, it taste bad, really bad! I just use a teaspoon, half full, pour it in my mouth and wash down with orange juice, then repeat.
Hang in there the Kratom can help you with the WD, and it also works on back pain( it seems to target that area, for me it literally switches off my pain, I mean OFF, it is unbelievable, but the catch is it only last for 4 -6 hours, so you are tempted to keep taking more) I would say use this to help with the WD. Once you are better you can see if this helps with your pain.

It does appear that you build up a tolerance to it fairly quickly, but plp switch between the different strains, and take a few days off to fix that.

I am like you, I have a medical condition that keeps me in pain, and I became a legal drug addict, but I wanted to get free of the Rx drugs, even if it is only for a few months, but for me, it looks like Kratom (as long as it is legal) might help me stay off them indefinitely.
Peace love and strength, you can make it through this, you do have a lot of plp rooting for you!
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replied June 2nd, 2012
Thank you Georgia! Well, I had no choice but to go to the ER when my BP reading went up to 218/122. I already have a heart condition, Angina,etc. so a reading like that could be ok for someone else (even that high), but a dangerous state for me and my doc said I could get a stroke more likely than a heart attack. The people at my local hospital know me well enough and right away gave me Clonidine to lower BP and Valium with scripts to take home. The main thing I needed was that Clonidine.
I am in a lot of pain, because the fentanyl 50 is a drop in the bucket for me. I have been on opiate therapy on and off for 30 years starting with the first head on collision where I was a passenger in the front and ended up through the windshield. Lucky I am not paralyzed, or have brain damage, and so on. But the long term damage tortures me everyday. That was from the first accident.
Now, right before I went to ER, I got several samples of Kratom (diff.ones) overnite delivered to me tomorrow. I can't wait to try them. Besides the increasing pain, I can't wait to stop the w/d. Sorry about being all over the map with my post here. Back to the ER. I explained to the nurse and doctor there all my experience from day one with the pain doc and how they treated me. The doctor said this is all too common with Anethesiologists and their physician assistants. They may be superstars in the operating room, and pain management for post surgical patients, but with people with my problems, they really do not want to be bothered with. Especially if they have information that a patient took Methadone at any time. Doesn't matter whether for recovery from addiction or for pain. They are narrow minded and prejudiced about people that are treated with that drug, so there is the stigma. And regarding the assistant telling me that I was not going through withdrawals, the ER doc said that either they don't want me there and treating me with disrespect to push me away thinking I was an addict seeking drugs and not to be trusted, or was just downright incompetent. He thinks its a little of both. I ABSOLUTELY agree!!!!! I thought so. Wow, it was sooo good to hear this from a doctor. And the other day, my primary said that it is common for the Pain docs at hospital clinics to have god complexes. This is all I needed for confirmation. I will use this doc till I find another. There will NEVER be trust with these two. I got a recommendation to go to one of the smaller hospital pain centers here in S. Jersey that has a good reputation for pain management and treat patients with compassion. HOW did I miss this hospital clinic in my research when I was looking to go into a clinic, rather than a temporary pain help with my primary. They said there is no waiting list like the one I am at now, and I can just make an appt., and they will see me, get some records faxed from my docs, and call my pain doc to verify that I am a patient there and do some transfer and file sent over. I am going to do this asap. I hope that finally I get that gold at the end of the rainbow. I really need a break from all the struggles. I'm too old, ill, tired of suffering. Please pray or wish me luck all. I do need support for this.
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replied June 2nd, 2012
Hi Star, I am glad you found some docs that will listen. You are correct, you cannot get BP that high! I hope you find a reliable solution. The Kratom can help, most definitely with the WD,and you may also be able to supplement it for some of your pain meds, although I suspect with the severity of your injuries, you will still have to take pain meds to help manage the pain. This may help you really reduce the ammount you have to take. As far as helping with the pain, it seems that for people who have taken opiates for along time, have a high tolerance to it. I would suggest 1 pill (or 1/2 of a teaspoon) wait 15-20 min, if no affect repeat dosage. I hope this helps you and hope you get an answer! Hang in there!
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replied June 2nd, 2012
Hi Georgia!
Thanks for your advice on how to take the herb. I'm waiting for my pharmacy driver to pick up my scripts for Clonidine (not to be mistaken for Clonipin or sometimes spelled Klonopin)for my blood pressure)and he just came by. Now waiting for the delivery. I fell asleep writing this, (which I needed desperatedly) and will check to see if my FedEx package with the Kratom samples arrived. Be right back. OK, just got back from the lobby where the doorman gave me the package. (I live in a hirise bldg.) This is what I got: Bali/PC 10gram, Bali Fusion 2gram, 15x 2gram, Gold Reserve 1gram. What do you recommend I try first and how much? I am yawning, so exhausted, high blood pressure and headache from that, my normal breakthrough pain, BUT, the worse is my lower back that is killing me (my discs) and pain around my ribs (but that could be sore from vomiting really bad a couple days ago.) I just don't know which to start with and how much, even though you did say so in your last post, but I am assuming that that was a general withdraw instruction. I have a lot of valium accumulated in me over the last couple days - 6 10's 1 5mg at hospital last nite, and 2 5's in the car with my son this morning - (his driving scares the kizeebees out of me). 1 Clonidine at hospital last nite, a 2 Diovan blood pressure pills I always take. I figured if you know all the details, then maybe you or someone else that knows this product very well, would know what would be the safest and the quickest and most potent working for me. Ohhhh, I'm not asking a lot, am I? LOL. Sorry, I just want to be safe. Thanks so much, Please respond as quick as you can, cause it's sitting here and don't want to wait till 6 hres from now, or tomorrow for an answer. I see some people from this thread are online, so I please ask for help soon.
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replied June 2nd, 2012
Hi star,
Start with a half teaspoon of the Bali pc, a(I am assuming this is the powdered leaf) . The others are an extract, and are stronger. If these are all a yellowish powder, start with a quarter teaspoon, wait 15 to 20 min, if no effect do another quarter. That should help. Let me know, and hang in there.
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replied June 2nd, 2012
Also there appear to be no reports of an overdose with Kratom, it does not suppress the respiratory system, worse thing is constipation, at least that i have read. From all indications this is a very safe herb. (With exception of a very few addictions to it reported). I would say use this to help WD. Then in a week, when you are over most of the physical issues, see what helps with pain. I will warn you on the pain, everything is amplified when you come off opiates, even a mild back pain will feel like an 8 or 9 level...your body is learning, so bear with it . Hang in there!
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replied June 3rd, 2012
all my post are being reviewed before that appear, so there is a delay Sad How are you doing today?
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replied June 3rd, 2012
more about this plant;
.murple.net/yachay/index.php/Kratom



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replied June 3rd, 2012
more about this plant;
murple.net/yachay/index.php/Kratom
and
kratomassociation.org


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replied June 3rd, 2012
Thanks for your info. I might not get back to you this evening, had a really long day so if not, tomorrow am. I have a few things to share. So far I am OK. Your support is so appreciated. Later!
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replied June 6th, 2012
Star how you doing? I hope you are well!
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