Yes it's great for pain and withdrawels although it too can be habit forming.

Definitely habit forming! I am on my 3rd day of the w/d from Kratom and I feel so so today. The first two days of the w/d are H E DOUBLE HOCKEY STICKS! No sleep, muscle spasms, urge to move limbs when laying down, constant chills, heart pounding like a brick and then depression sets when the w/d wears off slowly. I feel like my body is missing something and I keep taking tylenol (every 4 hrs) and smoking cigarettes to make up for the missing "feeling" that I had when I did Kratom. So yes it is addictive and yes the w/d hurts after long term usage just like any medicine! I would suggest that you take Kratom moderately just when the w/d feels terrible from the opiates. Use it to get through your w/d and then QUIT THE KRATOM I CANNOT STRESS HOW IMPORTANT THIS IS. Kratom will ruin your life, waste all of your money and you will eventually not feel the high anymore you will be taking it just to make it through the day!

Just want to throw my 2 cents.

I've had an opiate problem for about 6 years now. I've been an addict ever since the 2nd time I experienced them.

I had a habit of about 300mg Morphine about 1.5 times a day. I also regularly spiked my high with smoking Fentanyl, or supplementing with Dilaudid, and when I could find them, oxy.

I managed to spend 2 days in full-blown opiate withdrawals before I started at a Methadone clinic.

Now that is a pretty debatable course to take, as many will say you will be on Methadone the rest of your life. I just want to say that it SAVED my LIFE. I had already overdosed and clinically died once, so I needed to give up the lifestyle of it all. As most of you know that have had addictions, they come with MUCH baggage.

You gotta visit sources, you gotta make friends with a bunch of boring ass old people and stay and listen to their stories just to get a supply. You're paranoid all the time, especially when you're dealing. It's just too stressful of a lifestyle for ANYONE that doesn't have a legitimate physical condition.

Sorry to go astray, but I just feel this info was important in order to relay my info more reliably.

Methadone DID save my life. For the first time in years, I gained weight (almost like I was at a healthy weight), I looked so much better, and had a much more enthusiastic, optimistic look on life. But after 2 years, decided to detox. I weaned my dosage from 120mg down do 15mg (a day), then went cold turkey.

Worst mistake I ever made. This was definitely setting me up for failure. BUT, I made it through and spent a good month or so clean as a whistle....but then I started up on the Poppy Pod Tea.

I was no stranger to this, but had forgotten the absolute strength these arrangements hold. It's a great feeling, lasts FOREVER, and is cheap. The perfect opiate for an opiate lover. The problem with this is that I managed to turn a recreational start into a habit that has been going on for about...3 months now.

I'm on hour ~48 of Poppy Tea (about 10 jumbos a day) detox and had forgotten the extreme hell I went through on the methadone detox. I do NOT wish methadone detox on my worst enemy. It is seriously that bad. Due to the extremely long half-life of methadone (~12hrs) it tends to linger in your system that much long, although initial symptoms are not *quite* as bad as a shorter-acting opioids, but lasts MUCH MUCH longer. I felt like PURE ABSOLUTE DOODOO for about 2 weeks.

You may be wondering where I'm going with all of this, which leads me to the topic, KRATOM.

I read up on this wonderleaf last week. Found a vender and got my 110g of Maeng Da Monday. I had about ~200mg opium Monday night (I usually dose in the morn) after holding myself that day with Kratom. I used about 20g total to feel better, but it was much better than full blown withdrawal symptoms.

Since then, (today is Wednesday) I've had no opiates(not counting Kratom), no benzos (which were vital with methadone detox), and have only experience the "electricity" and "uncontrollable limbs" type feelings where I want to throw my limbs everywhich way, just to get the energetic and intense anxiety out of my body.

I've been able to get to sleep the past 2 nights, but I wake up after a few hours and can't go back to sleep. But if I didn't have Kratom, I probably wouldn't sleep at all.

The reason I decided to try Kratom to detox was kind of a self-induced drug trial type thing for myself. I am ready to quit opiates, which mindset is a HUGE thing when it comes to addiction. It's more mind over matter than anything. And I keep looking at it like a week of HELL for a lifetime of NORMALCY. Which sounds like a good tradeoff.

Kratom has allowed me to detox from a medium sized (this time around...) opiate addiction basically cold turkey.

I have NO desire to use Kratom recreationally and really don't notice any effect from it except for NOT noticing severe opiate withdrawal symptoms.

I don't see Kratom as something someone could abuse to the point of addiction, but as a previous poster said, it is completely possible...but I just don't see it happening as if you can get Kratom, you can get better stuff. It's really not worth the money, unless you're in opiate withdrawal, when it then becomes a basic detox substance that allows you to go to work. And it's not like the Kratom is "covering up" my feelings, it feels like my symptoms are legitimately being controlled to the point of an easier withdrawal.

I'm going to whittle down my Kratom and stop using it next week, as I believe by this weekend, the worst symptoms will hopefully have resided.


If anyone has been putting off detoxing from opiates because of fear of withdrawals, you can take my story SERIOUSLY as one with credibility, as I am currently experiencing the benefits. And it's been 2 days, so I KNOW this stuff is working.

I had problems finding someone that had a decent sized opiate habit praise Kratom with helping with withdrawals, so was skeptical of whether it would help me or just not be enough. But it IS!

Don't put it off anymore, and DO IT! You can start on Friday after work. Don't dose on Friday. That day start on Kratom. By the time Monday comes around, hopefully, the worst of your symptoms will be GONE! Of course, everyone's body is different, but I think this probably applies to most people withdrawing from short-acting opioids.

Peace Out.

To all who mess around with Opiate
I am an opiate addict/Heroin addict myself and I am trying to detox myself. Ive done it before and it sucks but I know it has to be done. My reason for writing this is simple. My cousin died 4 months ago today from the use of coming off methadone, and shooting fentanyl. He was 24 and wanted to quit. To all of those who use fentanyl, by smoking it eating it, cooking, it mainlining it, it is DEADLY, please get help. He was only 24

I'm posting again to follow up on opiate detox with Kratom.

I've detoxed fully from opiates. I had a HORRIBLE debilitating headache for about 2 days, after the first 6 initial days of detox with Kratom.

I am clean now, I feel AMAZING, and have already managed to save a good amount of money just in the 2 weeks I've been clean.

So Kratom DOES ease the withdrawal symptoms about P. Just to make it simple, if I didn't have kratom the first week, I would not be clean now.

I stopped taking Kratom about 5 days ago and have experienced no bad symptoms of withdrawal from that. I've had a somewhat somber, but more optimistic, outlook on life. Kinda depressed I suppose, but going through this kind of a thing on your own will undoubtedly bring about feelings like these any way you cut it.

So I do not condone any of the activities I posted, nor do I engage in them anymore. But if I were having opiate problems and wanted to truly be clean (basically if you're using opiates to maintain as opposed to getting high) then I fully recommend Kratom to help with detox.

Just always be careful, as opiate detox (with or without drugs to help) can even cause heart issues and may result in death. But just become educated on your situation before you take any drastic measures.

Good luck to the ones who need it most.