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It's Not My Fault. The Voices Told Me To Do It.

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Christina2011 Experienced User
July 9th, 2011
I just don't get why other people's schizophrenia voices tell them to kill people or animals. Mine have never told me to do anything horrible to anyone.

Most often, the voices take the other person's side, whether I feel I'm in the right or not. Even if I accidentally say the wrong thing to someone, the voices pounce on me. I can only imagine what they'd say to me, if I actually thought about killing someone. I'm sure they'd lay a *huge* guilt trip on me for that one.

I wonder if it is just some sort of copout for criminals who have no other defense. "Uhhh... The voices told me to do it!" The voices do not have the ability to *make* us do anything, any more than our whining makes the Subway sammich artists put more veggies on our subs. ("This is not a SALAD, ma'am, this is a SANDWICH.")

Even if their voices are actually telling them to kill people and animals (which I highly doubt), they don't have to do what the voices say. What are the voices going to do, jump out of their head and give them a spankin', if they don't do as they're told?

No, I think people kill other people, because those particular people wanted to for whatever reason.

Am I wrong?? Do your voices actually tell you to kill people or animals? If they do, do you feel as if some invisible force is physically making you reach for a gun or a knife or whatever against your will?
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LiftmeUp
replied July 10th, 2011
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That's a really good point. I've only had one bout with voices and I remember at that time I was just so overwhelmed and tapering off of a drug. I just sat there and listened out of curiosity I guess because it was so new.

I have a friend in prison and he says that in his letters. A man next to him says those things too. That he's innocent because "the voices made him do it". I can only give my opinion. I think people get so overwhelmed with the voices, they snap. Or maybe the urge is just a lot stronger? Maybe they get lost in it and give in to the voices.

For example *correct me if I'm wrong* When I read your posts, it sounds like you have it together, you're stronger and you have more knowledge about it all.

It also helps to have God on your side, you know? Anyway, I don't think you're wrong but I haven't had situations where voices were bad.
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Scrape
replied July 10th, 2011
I don't think that it's the voice as much as the flawed belief structure that is encompassed by psychosis. My voice was critical and third party but never was telling me to do violent things. I know of a patient who attacks people that attack his spirit. He is extremely unpredictable and listens to internal stimuli. I believe that the voice could be swaying when the patient chooses to act out against humanity.
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oopsagain
replied July 11th, 2011
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Here is a fantastic idea! Thanks areyoukiddingme!

I shall open a restaruant, it shall be called "word salad".

We will sell food that doesn't give you cancer.

Just great food all around, and it will actually give you energy, ya know, for doing things.

And it will change the world!

Ahahahahahahaha!
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citysleeper
replied July 12th, 2011
Thank you for this post. One of my voices are like yours, they usually guilt trip me over certain things, but really seem to exist to offer advice and assistance.

But there is another one who reacts to my pain and hatred. Sometimes I get these really strong urges to just go on a self-satisfying rampage, destroying everything in my path. This one tells me he's the one that I should talk to if I ever got in a fight or needed to protect myself.

Quote: I don't give a s*** about your rules and social stigmas. If I have to, I will use a gun, knife, bat, or whatever I can get my hands on. End Quote.

I never give in to these urges or thoughts, but I sometimes wonder how good I'd feel if I did. I mean, sometimes I feel like I'll only feel better if I did knock some stuff over.

I've also got this new fascination of knives that comes from this voice. Nothing crazy, except for the fact that I'm staring at a knife for an awfully long time.

Other than that one voice, the others are pretty normal. Like I said, it seems like they just want to help.
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GolfGuy
replied July 14th, 2011
But if they believe the voices are reality, than following them would only be normal. Remember, psychosis= lost touch with reality.
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oopsagain
replied July 20th, 2011
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this post kind've singles certain types of people out doesn't it?

When the entire human race does such things, "it's not my fault, this and this happened!"

Everyone tries to wiggle their way out of being imperfect when they get busted, not just people that claim or really do hear voices and do bad things, it's everyone.

So, let's change the title of the post to "what people say: It's not my fault period!"
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oopsagain
replied July 20th, 2011
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Or howabout this for a new title to this post.

"it's not my fault, the human mantra!"

or

"everybody sucks, and they don't want to do better!"

or

"people suck, but treat them like they were perfect!"
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Christina2011
replied July 26th, 2011
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Hey LiftmeUp,

---"For example *correct me if I'm wrong* When I read your posts, it sounds like you have it together, you're stronger and you have more knowledge about it all."

It took a *lot* of effort for me to get to this point, and I still have my moments. Knowing what to expect helps prepare me for dealing with things as they come. As Alexander Graham Bell once said, "Before anything else, preparation is the key to success."

---"It also helps to have God on your side, you know?"

I agree! Smile
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Christina2011
replied July 26th, 2011
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Hey Scrape,

---"I know of a patient who attacks people that attack his spirit."

So in a way, would you say he is standing up for himself? If so, he would still be attacking them for his *own* personal reason.
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Christina2011
replied July 26th, 2011
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Hey oops,

---"I shall open a restaruant, it shall be called "word salad".
We will sell food that doesn't give you cancer.
Just great food all around, and it will actually give you energy, ya know, for doing things.
And it will change the world!"


You know, you may be onto something there! Word Salad -- very catchy! Sort of like a salad bar filled with nutrients for the brain. You could have a book store on site as well. People could eat there on their lunch breaks and be more productive the rest of the day. Businesses may actually incorporate it into their wellness programs and pick up part of the tab.

You could even set up a web site for nutritional brain foods and call it "Word Salad" as well. Sounds like we have an entrepreneur in our midst! If I had the money to invest, I'd totally back your idea. Very Happy
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oopsagain
replied July 26th, 2011
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Whoa! That's great!

I didn't think of that, a reading place to eat good food, nice!

If only we had enough marks of the beast to get going on this, maybe i should go on shark tank and get ripped off by those rich guys that get you started and then steal everything from you later!

This post is reminding me of that carl's junior commercial where the guy is in the car lot on his lunch break eating one of the biggest freaking burgers I've ever seen, what a dumb commercial, who eats a six dollar burger for lunch if they have to be focused and busy and need proper energy?
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Christina2011
replied July 26th, 2011
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Hey there citysleeper,

----"I never give in to these urges or thoughts"

Your comment right there tells me you *do* have a choice, even when the voices are coaxing you to do things. If the voices had the capability to *make* you do things against your will, perhaps you would have done so by now.
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Christina2011
replied July 26th, 2011
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Hey there GolfGuy,

-----"But if they believe the voices are reality, than following them would only be normal. Remember, psychosis= lost touch with reality."

Good point!

So... If the schizophrenic *truly* believed in his delusional state that his victim was a bonafide scary monster, and he felt it was his duty to rid mankind of this monster...

He felt threatened in some way and wanted to be rid of that threat, so it was still for his *own* reason, etc.
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