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Q: Is Unconscious, Non-Consenting Sex considered Rape?
asked by: BB09 on January 30th, 2009
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Following an unfortunately needed search, I saw this posted Q: in 2007 & it's responses gave me some piece of mind.
To explain, I am currently on a contract in UAE. Their drinking tolerance has restrictions & I have been more mindful while here, especially not really knowing anyone but one night I felt comfortable & had far too many drinks and it went very wrong.


I was introduced to some friends of friends at a beach bar, after a few drinks we were invited to a girl friends house.
As a group we chatted into the early hours while drinking, also swimming in the pool. As the night went on I did end up talking to one guy in the pool, by this point we had all had quite a lot to drink & he seemed to get closer. Nothing led from that in the pool but I remember a flirtatious vibe.
As the night led on we had drunk a lot, friends started to head home & I asked to use our girl friends shower.
I remember going up to the shower & then waking to my friend bundling me up in a towel.
The next thing I remember was the guy (from in the pool) having sex with me, I remember being disoriented & then a few other details & then that's it.
When I woke up the next morning, my wet clothes were on the floor & I was sore. He had gone.
Initially I thought, what happened & was it a drunken mistake but later in the day I started to relay what I could remember.
I spoke to my friend & she said I had fallen asleep in the shower, so she wrapped me in a towel & put me into her bed asleep.

It happened in October 25th and has been a daily thought/night mare but I haven't dealt with it & thought he had taken advantage of me while I was drunk but couldn't bring myself to think it was rape.
He works in the same hotel but at the other side so I was hoping not to see him.
In the last 2 days he has got onto the work bus I travel to & from work on, I discovered he is living in the building directly opposite to me. This is when the reality actually hit me.

I have a few amazing friends here but also back at home & they are helping me to take some next steps.
I am only just coming to realization that it could be rape.
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zigemyster
replied on January 30th, 2009
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By not consenting to sex, I would consider that to be rape.
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JavaMissus
replied on January 30th, 2009
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I would definitely consider this rape...However, with your being passed out, it is your word against his...

It is unfortunate for you are one of many young women this has happened to...The problem being, when you are young you just can't accept the perils of the outside world...You feel that you are old beyond your years....You know, come and get me world, I am ready....

What you speak about could have been me...I speak of a frat party when I was 18....This was the legal drinking age in my State at that time...I got completely plastered....I mean off the wall...I was trying to be the life of the party and fit in..Made a complete fool of myself....I remember it well....He took me home at 10 and left me at the door...I vaguely remember this....Need I say more...

I hope that what you have said and what I have just written reaches out to some young woman that is unaware of life....All men are not as they seem....Just a very few spoil it for so many....

Best wishes for your recovery,
Caroline
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deteragram
replied on January 31st, 2009
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I agree with Zigemyster and CarolineEF, it was definitely rape. That said, I hope that other people learn from your experience. I'm certainly not blaming you for what happened but I feel it's important to point this out: If I left my purse sitting on the drivers seat in my car with the doors unlocked and the windows down, someone would probably steal it. In leaving the purse there, I didn't ask for it to be stolen but I certainly increased the chances that it would happen. When we get drunk and/or pass out in a public place, we leave ourselves just as vulnerable to attack. We wouldn't leave our purses out in the open so why do we put our bodies, our sexual health and possibly our lives at risk?????
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BB09
replied on January 31st, 2009
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I agree with all of you & sadly I am 27 years old, I have tried to learn from growing mistakes & thought I had more common sense!!

I still agree it is no justification, especially after I re-traced over the process of the night but I put myself in a high risk situation carelessly and unfortunately I guess a part of me still naively believe treat people how you would like to be treated & didn't imagine it happening like this.
I know we're not all the same but I guess I have been spoilt & fortunate enough to have been surrounded by very good people & dear friends wherever I have been in the world so far.

I'm always cautious traveling to different places, I work in the music industry & don't drink while I'm at events, if I go out dancing I am there to be with friends & dance.

I've always steered away from meeting a potential partner in a bar or club. Maybe because of the industry I work in and seeing how people meet/drink. I don't have casual sexual partners and will be more likely found in a pair of jeans & a t-shirt with heels (again not that it would be justified if I did wear short skirts etc but I hope you can see where my biggest mistake naively was.

As Caroline said "I hope that what you have said and what I have just written reaches out to some young woman that is unaware of life...."
If nothing else it has opened my eyes up massively to something that really is quite a simple conclusion and will hopefully help young & also growing woman that may think they already have they head screwed on.


Thank you for your responses, Kind Regards*
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furrytail
replied on February 1st, 2009
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I really feel sad from the above mentioned situations. Reality is, if you don't consent then it is rape, pure and simple. But the proof of guilt may be very difficult to do.

Wendy
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furrytail
replied on February 22nd, 2009
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Caroline,
I'm not sure if Irene_Gabell's post was very constructive, actually if felt destructive and I'm also not sure what words were substituted with "medical question".

Wendy
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maggie420
replied on February 22nd, 2009
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Im pretty sure that "medical question" was in place of a profanity...like its really needed. This girl needs support and thats what we're doing for her...

As for Irene, since we're not worthy enough for your time and you feel as if we need to "go to hell" maybe this isnt a place for you to express your opinion. Some therapy should help your nasty thought of you being better than all of us...

BB09, its very difficult to be a victim of rape. I havent experienced it but I know ppl who have. Thru time of healing, the load on your shoulders should lessen. I know someone who did go thru therapy and with time she was able to put it past her...even tho she will never forget unfortunatly. Having your close friends around to talk with you when you need to will help tremendously..you will be surprised with how many ppl really care about you. Thats how some of my other friends coped. I wish you the best of luck and im terribly sorry you had to go thru that.

Meg
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deteragram
replied on February 22nd, 2009
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Irene_ Gabell, you need to get a grip. There is nothing I can say or do to change BB09's situation. But someone who came here to respond to her post may read my response and learn something from it. I think everyone but you took my advice in the spirit that it was meant. I'm not blaming her at all and made a point to say that in my first post. Getting angry at the people here doesn't do anything to help BB09. If you have issuses or guilt about something, that is your own problem. but don't worsen things for BB09 by making it seem like anyone here is blaming her when they're not.
And thank you for the invitation to hell but I'm toasty warm where I am. lol
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furrytail
replied on February 22nd, 2009
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Meg,
Thanks for concuring with me.
Wendy
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JavaMissus
replied on February 22nd, 2009
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furrytail wrote:
Caroline,
I'm not sure if Irene_Gabell's post was very constructive, actually if felt destructive and I'm also not sure what words were substituted with "medical question".

Wendy



Hi Wendy: I just saw the post...She was angry....So angry that she could not hold the words in....I think in her frame of mind she felt that she had a right to be upset...In her eyes she probably believed that she was defending her "sister women"....

We women don't know what is around the corner with men.....We trust because we want to trust....We don't expect to be sexually taken, unless we are willing to allow this....I feel that she felt that when some blame was slightly cast on this woman or any other woman for that matter, that she took offense....But then maybe I would have been outraged if someone put the blame on me years ago for being drunk and having allowed something that I had no control over to happen.......Before today, I have never thought of my vulnerability that night......I was just eighteen years old...This was the legal beer drinking age at that time in our State and this was a Frat party at a very nice Frat house...Big Homecoming party....

I look at it this way, this could have been me years ago....I will not be the first one to cast a stone.........

Just my thoughts,
Caroline
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emmajaneb
replied on March 13th, 2009
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hi my names emma and i was raped last september by two kurdish blokes in a local park, but i had known them before that for about two weeks and me and my freind got invited to have a walk and a chat with them (just hang out),, well we were drinking a bit and then i remember my freinds going to sit in th park to have a rest cause she wasn't feeling well and i wasn't really either i couldn't hardly walk and then i remember falling on the ground looking at the moon,
the thing i was wook up being dragged through bushes and the two lads ripping my trousers off and then they raped me a total of fiv times and i couldn't do anything my body was to heavy for my arms i latr discovered by my medical check up that they had drugged me by putting stuff into my drink....
they both got away with it (i think it has alot to do with them coming from a different country) but luckily i didn't fall pregnant and my mate consented to them having sex with her so we're both still going through som issues and we both are having hepititus B jabs because the boys might of had stuff because of them coming from a different place,,,
i am slowly getting over it now,, i did try and commit suicide a few times but mny family are there for me so i am much better Razz...

i am so sorry for what hapened to the lady on the top story Sad,,, but the thing is you hav to now keep an open mind on life and its surroudings,,, i for one have learned and do-not drink anymore and certainly do not drink with guys i hardly know Sad...

kep a positive mind now and hlp others with the same things you have been through i do now and i even helped a girl through a similar thing i went through she is now healthy and happy and is moving on and helping others so i have made positive thoughts travel through different people,,,,
i was 16 i am now 17 and i am saving to go away for a while and clear my head,,, giv yourself som space and time but dont dwell on the past as this can make thin gs worse if u try and remember your just hurt yourself inside even more Sad...

yours sincerely Emma-Jane bull
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Nalleli
replied on March 26th, 2009
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My sister went out with two guys who were friends with her ex boyfriend, one of the guys offer to call her exboyfriend to join them she said no. they went out and at the end of the night she had sex with one of the guys. she then wakes up head to her exboyfriends house has sex with him and then tell him she was raped by his friend. She remains with her story she doesnt remember anything, but she recalls the conversation before sex about her staying at another person house and she recalls them having sex on the bed. what do you think
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BB09
replied on March 26th, 2009
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emmajaneb wrote:


the thing is you hav to now keep an open mind on life and its surroudings,,, i for one have learned and do-not drink anymore and certainly do not drink with guys i hardly know Sad...

kep a positive mind now and hlp others with the same things you have been through i do now and i even helped a girl through a similar thing i went through she is now healthy and happy and is moving on and helping others so i have made positive thoughts travel through different people,,,,
i was 16 i am now 17 and i am saving to go away for a while and clear my head,,, giv yourself som space and time but dont dwell on the past as this can make thin gs worse if u try and remember your just hurt yourself inside even more Sad...

yours sincerely Emma-Jane bull


Hi Emma,

You are a star in your own right* I Cannot believe your strength & positivity at 17 years old after such a hurrendeous event. I cannot imagine how you felt being concious & not being able to move your arms. I cannot remember everything, I wasn't drugged but went in & out of conciousness. What I can remember plagued me when I was awake & when I go to sleep. I can only get a vague idea of what it must have been like for you. Please, please keep the attitude you have now, even when it seems impossible because you probably really do not realize how many people you have probably helped and you've helped me.

You're kind and also your honesty about what happened to you & what you went through have meant the worldx The fact you are dealing with what happened to you and turning it around in such a way is hugely admirable.

I am so glad you have an amazing family to look after you. I wish you all the happiness in the world & will definitely take your advice, having some time to get to clear my head is a great idea. I haven't really dealt with it yet & have kept getting on with life which is obviously necessary but I do need to face it.

Best Wishes Always BB xxxxxxxx
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