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Is Abortion Morally Right Or social Wrong?? (Page 1)

Every time i go to work i see these protestors that hold up signs against abortion. The people look to be middle class and white. It seems to me that the question of abortion as being simply morally right is an oversimplification. The people it seems who protest are from a certain demographic as that differs greatly from the demographic of people that actually get the abortions. So is abortion morally wrong or a social ill that afflicts society. I think the answer is not so simply. Kids who grow up in home when the parent may not neccesarly be ready to raise a child and may not have the right amount of income, experience or support often tends to lead to a grown adult that ends up in doing morally wrong things while this is not always the case it happens to those kids that aren't lucky enough to get adopted and go through a system foster care. What do you think??
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replied March 7th, 2011
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I think you may be generalizing a bit. Women who have had abortions come from a variety of backgrounds, from very well off to impoverished. Also, there is no set "ethnic" group for women who have had abortions.

The same goes for those who protest abortion. There is no set ethnic or financial demographic for people who protest abortion. If you have ever seen one of those March for Life demonstrations, you will know what I am talking about.

Abortion, to me is NOT morally wrong and I don't see it as a social ill brought on by how someone was raised. Lack of access to free or low cost birth control as well as in-depth, and accurate sex education is the main reason that social abortions still exist. So, in a way, yes, it is a social ill, but not one brought on by how someone was raised. People rise above how they were raised all the time. You cannot blame your childhood on your current adult life.

For any other abortion that is NOT done for social reasons (such as failed birth control...yes it can happen and does happen, rape/incest, medical conditions that are life threatening to the woman, medical defect in the fetus, etc), there is no social wrongdoing.
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replied March 8th, 2011
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Abortion is not morally or socially wrong because simply put; women have the right to deny the use of their bodies to anyone at any time-just like men. I don't know why society has such a hard time catching onto this.

A fetus should not have greater rights than born people. No born individual in any civilized society has the legal right to force anyone to donate a shred of DNA--even to keep someone else alive.

People who claim to be "prolife" complain that it is discriminatory against the unborn for women to have the right to remove them from their bodies. They always fall back on the excuse: "It's not just about her body!"

Well, when it comes to who uses her body, it IS all about her body. If you were to ask one of these people what they thought of making it legally mandatory for males to donate blood regularly, they would look at you like you were crazy--and rightly so. That would be a violation of human rights and tantamount to slavery.

Why then do "prolifers" who claim to want the government out of their medical decisions and personal choices feel that the female gender of our species should be an exception? Why is the unwilling use of another's body okay so long as the used person is female?

Fetuses DO have the same right as born people, when it comes to using someone's body against their will. The discrimination would be in pushing a law that restricted only one gender's right to refuse donation of bodily resources.
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replied June 22nd, 2011
Yes it is morally wrong. It goes against what God wants for our lives. Aborting a baby is so wrong because it is murder. God doesn't allow that.
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replied June 23rd, 2011
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Abortion is, in many cases, much more "morally" right than it would be to carry on with an unplanned and unwanted pregnancy. Some religious zealots may think they have all the answers, but if their imaginary friend in the sky is so powerful, he's been doing a pretty crappy job asserting his opinion on the subject.
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replied June 23rd, 2011
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It's up to each person to decide for themselves if abortion is morally right or not. If you feel it's not morally right, the solution is simple - don't have one.
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replied July 24th, 2011
You seem to trivialize the issue.

If I say, "Vanilla ice cream is better than chocolate ice cream," that is a simple preference claim.
On the other hand, if I say "Torturing toddlers for fun is wrong," that is a moral claim, and is handled much differently.

You also employ a self-defeating theory called relativism.
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replied July 28th, 2011
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Torturing toddlers is quite illegal. Huge frickin' difference. Gosh, the comparisons from anti-choicers just get more and more ridiculous.
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replied July 30th, 2011
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Strange that someone comparing abortion to ice-cream complains about trivialising the issue...

How about "Not being pregnant is better than being pregnant"? Or "Not having an unwanted child is better than producing yet another one"?

Simple preference. Nothing to do with morality.

Compare this to "We will assassinate doctors who perform abortions" and "Let's force women to stay pregnant against their will by burning down abortion clinics". Oh yes, very moral.
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replied June 25th, 2012
Toddlers are people, fetuses and zygotes are not.
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replied September 13th, 2012
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"toddlers are people" "we are people" "we have heartbeats" Fetus is a Latin word for baby! a baby= human(*person)a baby in the womb has a heartbeat......if i murdered another human being i would go down for murder..tell me why you all think its different for you to have a abortion? when that baby clearly is a human and has a heartbeat...I'm sorry but its wrong on all counts..and for the people who have had them and have asked for gods forgiveness..may god bless you always Wink

proud mum of 4!
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replied June 24th, 2011
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Re: Is Abortion Morally Right Or social Wrong??
Erm.. I guess I 'fit' the demographic of the protesters then. Oh, but I had an abortion and am pro-choice so I guess I don't agree.

Also - you don't abort a baby. You abort a foetus or an embryo. It is not homicide, it is not morally wrong and it's the woman's decision Smile
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replied September 15th, 2012
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fetus (Latin word for baby) research a bit more!! its a human life, its not a choice its a child, what about the babies rights? so its okay to stop there hearts while yours still pumps away............no!!
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replied August 31st, 2011
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Well, for me abortion could never be right and that's my opinion. There are lots of options for unplanned pregnancies so why opt for a sinful act? Think wise before taking actions.
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replied September 1st, 2011
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I don't believe abortion is a sinful act. There are no other options for someone who *does not want to be pregnant*. It's not right for you and that's okay, don't have one. However, it *is* right for many of us, and nobody has the right to stop us.
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replied June 25th, 2012
Abortion not wrong or a sin
That's your opinion that it is wrong and it is a sin. There are other options for unplanned pregnancy, but it's up to the individual woman and her conscious to choose those options. I do not think abortion is wrong before viability. I simply do not believe that fetuses are people. I do believe they are human. My finger is human, but it is not a person. I feel like if abortion was murder, the greatest minds on earth would be in agreement on that. They are not because there are different philosophical views on when personhood begins. I do know that pregnant women are persons and as such they have the right to determine what happens to their bodies.

Besides, abortions have different circumstances. I would not allow a nine year old to give birth nor would I force a woman with a chronic illness to risk a pregnancy if she doesn't want to. Not every abortion happens because a woman is "loose" or careless. Just saying.

Also, I'm more concerned with the born children who are persons who are suffering from abuse and poverty than I am about fetuses and zygotes many of whom by the natural course of things will never develop into people or be born.
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replied September 3rd, 2011
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Abortion is absolutely the right decision for someone with an unplanned and unwanted pregnancy, who does not wish to remain pregnant, and has no desire to add yet another unnecessary human to the oveburdened planet.

I am so pleased I live in a country which doesn't have so many busybodies telling people they are "sinful" while going around shoving their opinions into other women's bodies.
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replied September 13th, 2012
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Some people who end up in deprived states mentally are people who have had a bad upbringing , Bad upbringing caused by parents who were unprepared, Parents who didn't want the child but were forced to have it. What is more morally wrong , having a child and then letting it be deprived of a real , stable , balanced upbringing for the rest of it's life or getting rid of it before you have time to give it a more slower painful death in life. My mother works with "Problem families" and she said the main problem is they just keep having children when they can't afford to
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replied September 13th, 2012
One word ; Rape . It's the only word you need to think about when you claim abortion is wrong , and if you are a man then I don't think you could truly understand the pain , even I couldn't.
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replied September 13th, 2012
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rape is bad yes! its a awful thing for someone to go through..and I'm sorry if any of you have ever been raped ,i pray that you find peace and will be able to live your lives in happiness..but i need to tell you that abortion is wrong to..say a baby is conceived in rape (rape is awful) yes but..the child in the womb is innocent! so precious! you cant kill a little life with a heartbeat in the womb, they grow so rapidly! the heart beats 21 days from conception..the grow amazingly quick...i believe that adoption is the best option if you feel you cant bring up the child..but killing them thats a terrible option..tell me is a abortion going to make you feel better about your rape? you would not only have to live with the awful pain of the rape but then added pain of aborting the child in the process! god created us all to his own image he says "you shall not kill" so what gives anyone a right to go against his word? i pray for the rape victims i hope you heal in time and i pray for all the aborted babies and the parents of them to..god is very forgiving if you admit your sins, he will forgive you..he loves us all...god bless always..
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replied September 15th, 2012
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clbernadetteh wrote:
if i murdered another human being i would go down for murder..tell me why you all think its different for you to have a abortion?

Well, for starters, it isn't murder. It's a legal, medical procedure.

It is different because an embryo/foetus isn't a person. They rely entirely on the body of another to exist. If the woman does not wish to gestate then that is her decision - if it were otherwise then it would mean that a non-sentient thing would have more rights than a sentient woman.

Proud mother (who has miscarried and aborted and is still 100% pro-choice)
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replied September 15th, 2012
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juillet wrote:
Do any of you realize how an abortion is performed?? A saline solution which would burn the skin, or dismemberment and decapitation - Is this what you mean when you are talking about abortion?

Having had an abortion I very much do know how it is performed. Obviously there are different procedures, depending on gestation, but I had a suction removal - no saline solution or whatever it is you are believing of abortions. A simple medical procedure to remove an unwanted foetus from my uterus.
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replied September 16th, 2012
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clbernadetteh wrote:
if i murdered another human being i would go down for murder..tell me why you all think its different for you to have a abortion?

Firstly, abortion is not murder. It isn't unlawful killing and it isn't a person. Murder is unlawful killing of a person - someone with rights who is independent and doesn't rely on your body entirely for survival.
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replied September 16th, 2012
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juillet wrote:
The dictionary defines "person" as "human" "individual". Are you saying the fetus is not human?

I don't give two hoots what the dictionary says - the law says an embryo/foetus isn't a person and that abortion isn't murder. I am not for one second stating that a human embryo/foetus isn't human, I'm saying it does not have the rights (nor should it) of a born, sentient, legal person and that abortion isn't murder. It never has been Smile
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replied September 16th, 2012
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the law!!! they know nothing all government is corrupt i put my trust in god only he knows whats right and whats wrong! and again fetus is a Latin word for baby and a baby is a human, a baby in the womb has a heartbeat so therefore it is a living human like you and i!
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replied September 19th, 2012
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Oh, not the "definitions" thing again! Really?! That is just so feeble.

In legal terms, a corporation is a "person". Every cell in your body, including cancer cells, is "human". Please come up with a more sophisticated philosophical analysis if you can be bothered.

There is also no logical connection between "It is human, therefore it is a person with full rights."

It's just not a useful argument to tell a woman who does not want to be pregnant that the blob of human cells has more rights than she does.
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replied September 20th, 2012
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from my miscarriage experience my hubby and i saw a baby at 11 weeks gestation...yes a baby! dont tell me im wrong! certainly not a blob of cells!!
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replied September 21st, 2012
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clbernadetteh wrote:
from my miscarriage experience my hubby and i saw a baby at 11 weeks gestation...yes a baby! dont tell me im wrong! certainly not a blob of cells!!

I'm sorry but you didn't see a baby. You saw a foetus. If you wish to believe it was a baby then great but it wasn't.

I'm not saying this to be insensitive - I've miscarried a planned pregnancy - but you don't lose a baby and I think it would be insulting to those who have actually lost a baby they have birthed (live) to say the two are the same.
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replied September 21st, 2012
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it was a baby/human, i know what i saw,are you saying you shouldn't grieve if you have had a miscarriage? insulting!! you have no idea!
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