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Q: Illegal drugs & M.S
asked by: jeffstillthinks on April 5th, 2009
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I am 25 years old and I've had M.S for ten years, and have had 3 real episodes. I have been on avonex (interferon) for 6 years. I have taken ectasy, MDMA, speed and cocaine socially although mainly MDMA and ectasy. I would like to know am have i done unquantifiable damage?
I am interested in tryin LSD some day, is that a definite mistake or are the risks just the same as any other brain stimulating drug?
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zigemyster
replied on April 8th, 2009
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Re: Ectasy, MDMA, LSD, Speed, Cocaine & M.S
jeffstillthinks wrote:
I am 25 years old and I've had M.S for ten years, and have had 3 real episodes.


Are you sure?

jeffstillthinks wrote:
I have been on avonex (interferon) for 6 years.


How's it working for you?

jeffstillthinks wrote:
I have taken ectasy, MDMA, speed and cocaine socially although mainly MDMA and ectasy.


You might as well playing Russian Roulette or dart out in traffic blind folded....

jeffstillthinks wrote:
I would like to know am have i done unquantifiable damage?


More than likely, YES!

jeffstillthinks wrote:
I am interested in tryin LSD some day, is that a definite mistake or are the risks just the same as any other brain stimulating drug?


Huge mistake...

Let me ask you this: What do you get out of taking these drugs? You say
jeffstillthinks wrote:
...are the risks just the same as any other brain stimulating drug?
Honestly, I will answer it this way...IF you have to ask this question then your previous drug use has definately done something to that noggin' of yours (and it is NOT MS related)...

Were you using drugs before your MS dx?
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jeffstillthinks
replied on April 9th, 2009
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Yes i'm sure about the episodes.. what exactly do you mean?

Avonex is ok, although i feel like my lust for life i had before i started has been somewhat dulled.. But I haven't been sick

Is this analogy of russian roulette just snap "common sense" answer or does it have real medical credit?
I am lookin for facts, not judgment, thanks.
I appreciate views but i dont need to be given info without a medical basis.

What do I get out of takin these drugs...?
have you ever taken drugs of any kind...?

I get fun, where i forget about illness, risk, a high that transends ego and beleif in ones self.

I am not a drug freak who spends his days pinning for his next hit or someone who doesnt have a tangable grip on my life. I am just someone who enjoys life and enjoys seeing what an altered state can take one.

And no i first tried drugs 6 years after my diagnoses, and I was never sick since the time I first tried. I 'm not trying to make a connection, its just fact.
sorry for spelling.
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zigemyster
replied on April 9th, 2009
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jeffstillthinks wrote:
Yes i'm sure about the episodes.. what exactly do you mean?


As long as you know they were true episodes / flares. I've meet some MSers who swore they had hundreds of episodes less than a year and that is just not true. Of course your would know a true episode after 10 years Smile

jeffstillthinks wrote:
Avonex is ok, although i feel like my lust for life i had before i started has been somewhat dulled.. But I haven't been sick


Avonex can do that. Have you considered switching to another drug, like Copaxone?

jeffstillthinks wrote:
Is this analogy of russian roulette just snap "common sense" answer or does it have real medical credit?
I am lookin for facts, not judgment, thanks.
I appreciate views but i dont need to be given info without a medical basis.


Actually both.

jeffstillthinks wrote:
What do I get out of takin these drugs...?
have you ever taken drugs of any kind...?

I get fun, where i forget about illness, risk, a high that transends ego and beleif in ones self.


One can have fun without drugs and yes the drugfree route can make you forget about an illness for a time, however long that would be.

How bad is your MS? Relapsing, Primary or Secondary?
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jeffstillthinks
replied on April 10th, 2009
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I think its the less severe form to be honest, I had two episodes zithin six months of each first then another bout 5 years after.
I cant really recall exact dates, so whichever one sounds like it i'm that one..
Copaxone??
never heard of it.
It si strange (avonex), some days i do literally wake up dancing and other days i just wish i could skip the day. I'm moody alot and well not good compamy other times.

I know one can have fun without drugs, my question is not a debate about the neccesity of drugs to a happy life even though its becoming that..
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zigemyster
replied on April 10th, 2009
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Copaxone is a daily subcutaneous injection and there is no side effects of depression, flu like symptoms.

My concern with illegal drugs...if you get caught; there could be a fine and jail time and a person with MS would not fare to well in that situation.

Some prescriptions can give you a high...been there done that.
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jeffstillthinks
replied on April 12th, 2009
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ok zigemyster

I was looking for Medical facts and professional opinion from a neurologist and/or doctor specializing in M.S.

"My concern with illegal drugs...if you get caught; there could be a fine and jail time and a person with MS would not fare to well in that situation."

That precisely is not the view I am looking for. If I wanted moral opinion I would talk to my family or a priest or whoever was eligible. "Jail time??" that is ridiculous, I am not a drug baron with weekly shipments from morocco!
Please keep these unfounded half truths and opinions of morality for someone who wants either.
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zigemyster
replied on April 12th, 2009
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jeffstillthinks wrote:
ok zigemyster

I was looking for Medical facts and professional opinion from a neurologist and/or doctor specializing in M.S.


If you want medical advice then I suggest you repost your question under "Ask a Doctor".

jeffstillthinks wrote:
"My concern with illegal drugs...if you get caught; there could be a fine and jail time and a person with MS would not fare to well in that situation."

That precisely is not the view I am looking for. If I wanted moral opinion I would talk to my family or a priest or whoever was eligible. "Jail time??" that is ridiculous, I am not a drug baron with weekly shipments from morocco!
Please keep these unfounded half truths and opinions of morality for someone who wants either.


It is quite apparent that you don't want to face the truth about drugs, whether it be legal or not. Your initial question was about the use of certain drugs (all illegal) MS.

MS is an unpredictable Disease of the Central Nervous System so by consuming drugs that do nothing to benefit MS then yes you are harming yourself.

It only takes 1 time to get busted and that in itself may land you in jail or at least a fine. It is far from ridiculous and it does not matter if it is a one time, once in a while or a daily adventure...it is what it is.

Why not ask your own neurologist about the effects of those drugs...just one pill may kill you or make your MS worse.

Your life, your issue, take care of yourself as you see fit.
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jwhite79
replied on May 12th, 2009
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ms and illegal drug use
i really appreciate your having the guts to ask these questions. I was just diagnosed today with MS and have quite the extensive history of past drug use myself. Some of the questions I have have been answered through reading your post and there subsequent responses. I am still wondering, however, if any of my past usage could be a contributing factor to my developing the disease? I know that there is no known cause but is there any link at all? In the past I have used cocaine, crystal meth, and ecstacy among others (pretty heavily for a 3 years period) I have only seen my neurologist twice and am not yet comfortable talking with him about this. Is this something I should talk to him about?
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GREGGDOESTHINK
replied on October 4th, 2009
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Jeff still thinks will soon be jeff cannot think with his brain anymore or are you currently thinking with your a*s? dont answer this it will just frustrate you more and what little of jeff thinks will continue to be less and less and less ect. from gregg does think
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GREGGDOESTHINK
replied on October 4th, 2009
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be honest with all you have taken. take the responsibility for your actions. your hesitation means you are pretty sure you donot want to quit drugs. and you know they may have and will continue to limit your recovery/treatment. knowing so makes you responsible for your future. and being aware means you need to change something
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imsure32
replied on October 7th, 2009
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Re: ms and illegal drug use
jwhite79 wrote:
i really appreciate your having the guts to ask these questions. I was just diagnosed today with MS and have quite the extensive history of past drug use myself. I am still wondering, however, if any of my past usage could be a contributing factor to my developing the disease? I know that there is no known cause but is there any link at all? In the past I have used cocaine, crystal meth, and ecstacy among others (pretty heavily for a 3 years period)


Hey, in response to your questions.. I am not diagnosed as of yet but my symptoms are long and extensive and the majority of them started during and after my use of meth,cocaine,ecstasy,and crack (yes crack) I only used for a short time of around 7 or 8 months but it was enough to do damage.. I was in the hospital with a bad kidney infection, had MRSA, and low potassium levels which caused muscle spasms and cramps all during use and then since I stopped using I have had kidney cancer and I am laid up in bed now to the point I only leave to go to doctor appts because I am too weak and in too much pain and the fatigue causes me to practically fall asleep driving.. I don't know for a fact that the drugs caused my problems because my family has a long history of disease and illness and I have had other problems to a lesser extent for years before using but it probably sped up and/or worsened the problems if not the cause.. and as for telling your doctor, that is a touchy thing because after telling my doctor about my drug use he has treated me like a junky ever since and he is very guarded in what he gives me for treatment and it has taken a very long time for him to build up trust and a relationship with me so it's your call..
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LauzB
replied on November 11th, 2009
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I did some drugs (weed, hash, coke) before I was diagnosed at the age of 16.
I am now on Avonex, and whenever I have attempted to smoke weed again (or hash) I get extremely ill, and feel as though I am on hard-drugs, and "trip-out".
I'm not intirely sure why, but perhaps it is because my immune system is being lowered by the shot, and therefore can not fight the weed properly, so I get too high?
Either way, it scared me away from doing drugs anymore, even though I still drink quite a bit.....
Any feed back would be nice.
Laura
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