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msrosie
on March 12th, 2009
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oopoopoop wrote:

We just lost our dog (ie she died).


I'm so sorry. I know how hard it is to lose a beloved pet, and my heart goes out to you.
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msrosie
replied on March 12th, 2009
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nightangel73 wrote:

Sorry for the loss of your dog. If you attach that much to a dog I really think you would attach even more much to a child.


Not necessarily. I get attached to animals very easily, but not so to children. I am not maternal towards children at all.


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Nobody has said that life is easy even if you do have the pregnancy under ideal circumstances. But there is no social circumstance that can justify killing a healthy growing embryo/fetus. I personally couldn't possibly live with the the thought that one day I went in to some clinic or took this number of pills to kill someone, to kill a human life that was growing inside of me.


I have no guilt feelings over aborting an embryo over 20 years ago. I see nothing wrong with killing an embryo/fetus. The woman wanting it *out* of her body is all the justification needed to kill it.

Edited to include another message reply in this post instead of using multiple posts to reply to the same poster.
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nightangel73
replied on March 12th, 2009
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motherofhighspiritedones wrote:
nightangel73 wrote:

I personally couldn't possibly live with the the thought that one day I went in to some clinic or took this number of pills to kill someone, to kill a human life that was growing inside of me.
How is it so hard for you to understand that there ARE women out there who think EXACTLY opposite of what you think, who would give their lives NOT to be pregnant?



I don't understand people killing others.
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replied on March 12th, 2009
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nightangel73 wrote:
ProudMommyof2008 wrote:
nightangel73 wrote:
diamondsz wrote:
Oh god I can hear my calling

Thanks "luvtiedye"

Terrible two stage is horrible, I have two in ti, I don't recognize my walls anymore after having my daughter draw all over them. Thankx for posters and tall furniture.

They always respond with "No."

You could hide things or put them away but they will find them, the joys of kids.

They think its funny when their meals hits the ground, especially when there milk goes along too. Their creativity can amount to them trying to cook the non-edible special of the day, emptying the contents of the fridge into pots.

OOH but the best one yet, paiting their walls and themselves with their own shyte, that was a little gross for me and both did it.

enough said...


Diamond you just need to have a little more sense of humor with your kids.

Like today with my baby she poop but when I was changing her diaper she wasn't finished pooping and just about when I'm taking the diaper completely off she goes and finishes lol. To me that just reason to laugh! And we laugh when she farts and we laugh when she burps like an adult I mean really have some sense of humor!

To me definetly the baby stage is a piece of cake, I guess I have a good baby then but I only wake up once in the night when she is hungry and she really cries only when she is hungry or has a wet diaper. If she is otherwise fuzzy I boob her and she inmediatly calms down and sleep. No constipation problems or anything. I actually expected things to be harder that of handling a baby but it really not so. It is important thought to have a good support system. My husband helps a lot and that makes things easier. It has been a week since I actually get to change a poop diaper. She only poops once a day.

I just don't get why anybody will expect good things in life without some little "work". Life will never be free of hardships. Life is difficult whether you have children or not. So it is those special moments what makes life interesting and worth. Give me another baby!



The thing you have to realize is that not all babies are the same.
I find humor in things my son does too, when he farts my boyfriend and i laugh, and we act shocked and laugh when he burps like a big boy! everything he does we think is cute, aborable and funny. But it still is stressful, and sorry, at 5 in the morning when im still running off of 2 hours sleep from the night before, the humor is gone. I still love my son though, because if i didnt i would not still be up with him.

I have a great support system, but at night i do everything by myself, and in the day time i do too plus i baby sit my nephew when he gets home from senior kindergarten and also my niece who is in grade one but right now home sick.
My boyfriend is supportive and helpful, but i dont exect him to do everything because he has a job that starts at 3 in the morning, and ends usually around 3 in the afternoon and if hes lucky he finishes earlier.
i do not expect good things in life to come without work. clearly we have to work hard for everything we have.

Everyday i spend with my son is a new day full of wonderful things and moments to cherish and keep dear to my heart. Everyday i learn something new too. And the fact that i know that nothing comes easy, makes it that much easier for me to say, there are somedays that i am stressed and frustrated and utterly exausted! However i still continue to go about all the things i need to do, i still care and love my son

My son is a very fussy boy, which is different than your child.
My son goes to sleep at about 2:30am or later so im up all day and night with him.
You get up once at night, where i get up 3 or more times because he is crying or fussing in his crib.
My son has a little constipation, yours does not.
I am not afraid to admit when i feel stressed or feel like i would like to have one moment to be a simple 19 year old. and i dont think that makes me a bad person.

do you see the differences there with your child and mine?
could you possibly see how someone could feel slightly the way i do and maybe a little more stressed than you would?


Find out why your baby is that fuzzy. It doesn't sound normal to me. Mine in one was fuzzing for a while and it was the formula. I have to buy enfamil only.



We've talked to doctors, i use the same formula as you do, an Enfamil formila.
The doctor said its normal, hes just a mama's boy. He wants to be held constantly, just sitting beside him is not good enough, he wants to be in my arms whether im cooking, cleaning, doing laundry, on the toilet, getting something across the room, you name it. and i am breaking him on this habbit slowly. but its hard to do when my boyfriends parents are superstitious of every little thing, and think that if he cries its bad for him and he could choke. thats another issue on its own though.

the crying is normal. Ive looked into it, and talked to doctors, they say it is normal and i just have to break him of it.
He likes to be held when he falls asleep and knows when you put him down and wakes up. its hard, but manageable. but stressful and frustrating at the same time.
which is why i dont walk around humming a tra-la-la tune i my head 24/7 and laugh off sleepless nights and what not.

I do leave him to go pee, but at the beginning when i first had him home, i had 2 bladder infections from holding him, feeding him and making sure he was ok, i would go long periods of times without peeing.
and yes i know there is no harm in letting the baby cry, but you see i can only go so long without wanting to rip my hair out due to frustration and loosing patience when i hear my son crying for so long. then i pick him up and hes fine. i let him cry for a half hour or hour now to try and break him of this, and i am increasing the time slowly.
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motherofhighspiritedones
replied on March 13th, 2009
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nightangel73 wrote:
motherofhighspiritedones wrote:
nightangel73 wrote:

I personally couldn't possibly live with the the thought that one day I went in to some clinic or took this number of pills to kill someone, to kill a human life that was growing inside of me.
How is it so hard for you to understand that there ARE women out there who think EXACTLY opposite of what you think, who would give their lives NOT to be pregnant?



I don't understand people killing others.
And I don't understand what another woman's business (one you most likely don't even know) is to you.
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aochriss
replied on March 19th, 2009
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nightangel73 wrote:
motherofhighspiritedones wrote:
nightangel73 wrote:

I personally couldn't possibly live with the the thought that one day I went in to some clinic or took this number of pills to kill someone, to kill a human life that was growing inside of me.
How is it so hard for you to understand that there ARE women out there who think EXACTLY opposite of what you think, who would give their lives NOT to be pregnant?



I don't understand people killing others.


No one gets killed in an abortion. Cells die. Just like when you wash your face.
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replied on March 19th, 2009
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aochriss wrote:
nightangel73 wrote:
motherofhighspiritedones wrote:
nightangel73 wrote:

I personally couldn't possibly live with the the thought that one day I went in to some clinic or took this number of pills to kill someone, to kill a human life that was growing inside of me.
How is it so hard for you to understand that there ARE women out there who think EXACTLY opposite of what you think, who would give their lives NOT to be pregnant?



I don't understand people killing others.


No one gets killed in an abortion. Cells die. Just like when you wash your face.


Why do you think abortion kills only cells? Can you prove that abortion ONLY destroys Zygotes? Do you know what KIND of cells are formed after conception? Did you know that most abortions occur AFTER the zygote stage? Did you know there is actually a heart beat only after about 20 days after conception? Did you know that you used to be an embryo and fetus? Did you know that women abort fetuses, too? Are fetuses just cells? Even when they have a gender? Have you ever learned about what forms in each stage that occurs in the womb?

Embryos and fetuses ARE killed in an abortion. Unless you want to argue medical books that actually refer to it as a death of the embryo or fetus.
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Moo
replied on March 20th, 2009
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nightangel73 wrote:
A baby can cry for hours and is not harmful you know. Just check the baby diaper is not wet and the baby is fed.

Actually, a lot of people would disagree with this statement (myself included). CIO is certainly not a method for every parent and there are people who believe that leaving a baby to cry actually undermines their sense of security (amongst other things). Leaving a baby to cry for hours is horrible, why would anyone do that to their child??? Shocked
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Moo
replied on March 20th, 2009
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nightangel73 wrote:


Nobody has said that life is easy even if you do have the pregnancy under ideal circumstances. But there is no social circumstance that can justify killing a healthy growing embryo/fetus. I personally couldn't possibly live with the the thought that one day I went in to some clinic or took this number of pills to kill someone, to kill a human life that was growing inside of me.


If [b]you/b] couldn't have an abortion then that's fine - noone is asking you to but don't be so arrogant as to believe you have the right to decide that for other women. You don't have to understand it but for some women (myself included) having an abortion is the right thing to do.
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diamondsz
replied on March 20th, 2009
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Moo wrote:
nightangel73 wrote:
A baby can cry for hours and is not harmful you know. Just check the baby diaper is not wet and the baby is fed.

Actually, a lot of people would disagree with this statement (myself included). CIO is certainly not a method for every parent and there are people who believe that leaving a baby to cry actually undermines their sense of security (amongst other things). Leaving a baby to cry for hours is horrible, why would anyone do that to their child??? Shocked


Depends on the sense but letting them cry for 20 mins after they have been checked for basic nessicities, doesn't hurt either. Every kid is different, so I think understanding that kid, since we all know they have different cries can determine whether you let them cry or hold them.
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AyaMiyaki
replied on March 21st, 2009
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My daughters were both planned, and are both a joy to me. They are also night and day from each other. My older child will be 3 in August, and has always been a high needs baby. Not special needs - high needs. She's always been extremely clingy, emotional, and generally a very hard baby to deal with. I stayed home with her for a year and a half, and anytime I'd leave her with someone (even my husband) for a little while to get some peace, she'd scream. If you'd put her down, she'd scream.

My younger child is a very quiet, timid baby. We weren't sure what to do with a newborn who didn't cry. It's crazy how different she is from her sister. If we'd had her first, our other child would have horrified us. I'm grateful to have gotten them in the order that I did, because I'm only now realizing exactly how hard I had it with my first one. I probably would have entertained using my state's Safe Haven laws. (Not really, but I would have thought about it.)

Even with my near-perfectly behaved infant, I wouldn't wish her on someone who didn't want a baby. She's not as much work as her sister, but she IS work. I'm constantly having to stop whatever I'm doing to change her diaper, feed her, comfort her, rock her... and if I try to put her down without waking her up, you can bet that'll be the moment when her sister comes barreling into the room making all kinds of racket. It's a miracle if I get to shower that day. I almost never eat breakfast because between two babies I just don't have time. My house is almost never tidy. I'm always running between stopping my 2 year old from putting crackers in the dvd player and popping the pacifier back in my 3 month old's mouth.

Motherhood is a job. It might be a job you enjoy, but it's a job. A full time job without pay, vacations, lunch breaks or sick days. If you're lucky enough to have a nanny or a family member who is willing to take the baby(ies) for a few hours, great. Most people don't have that though. It's worth it for me, and I'll never say it's not. But I would also never say that it's easy or pretend that life is perfect. Not even close.
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Phenicks
replied on April 11th, 2009
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i chose this name because i am proud to be a mom. and even the proudest of moms can feel the stress and heckticness of having a child.
life if not filled with sunshine and roses when a child is born. things are hard even for the proud parents.
he is not just a crying baby, he is a constant crying baby. i rarely have time to have a shower, brush my teeth, eat, get dressed because the second i go to the washroom, to get changed etc. he cries. i cant juggle him in one arm and do 5 things at once.


Wow, I'm sorry to hear this seems you have a child with colic, thats not something that typically happens.


ProudMommyof2008 wrote:
i am happy to be a parent, i would not have things any other way, but sometimes i do wish i had a day to be a regular 19 yr old.
i do everything for my child with love, and the love and care i have for my child is unexplainable and runs deeper than water, and i think it takes a big person to admit what i wrote above. i am just being honest.
I know it is fascinating and wonderful to feel my child grow inside me, it is wonderful to be a parent, it is very rewarding, but very draining at the same time. i still would not have things any other way though.
i was simply telling the poster before me than everyone has been there, felt like things were so unbearable and what not and that she is not alone.

of course i cant stop kissing, loving caring, etc. for my child because of the fact that i love him deeply and would give my entire life to him. but i still do sometimes wish things were a tad easier.
i will melt too when my son finally calls me "mama" instead of "dada" which is what he calls everything lol
not every one deals with parenthood the way everyone else does. some people feel its a little more stressful than others. but does that make them a bad parent? and are you implying that i dont love care and are a bad parent for the comment i wrote above?


Many mothers are horrified to discover they have a colic child even with a full support system and it sounds like you'
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to you because though you didn't abort your child you still could have given him up but you didn't and that takes remarkable strength when dealing with a child with colic.

[quote="ProudMommyof2008"]right now, im not thinking of another baby, that does not mean i dont want another, i just cant handle another right now considering my son is 5 months and things are starting to lighten up a little more...just wait till he starts teething! ahh! lol

I am a proud mother, and i will stick to this name and continue to say i am proud till i die.
just because of the comment above does not mean i should not have this name or be proud to be a parent. because at the end of the day, i do everything with love, and would take a bullet for my son.
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Phenicks
replied on May 20th, 2009
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LOL I'm glad I had my baby too. I adore him, he's an infant but he is awesome very playful not fussy. He sees a baby or toddler crying and he gets this puzzled look on his face like why? What's your deal? lol I think he's one of the most beautiful people I've ever seen in my life, some folk may disagree but I don't give a crap so long as no one disrespects or insults my child there is no beef.

I'm glad she (the OP) was able to get an abortion.

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I'm so glad I had a baby!! Having a kid is the best experience ever!! Smile
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Nick157
replied on June 12th, 2009
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I'm glad I'm a guy. Smile
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CloseMindedMale
replied on August 21st, 2009
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If you didn't want a baby why did you have sex? Having sex is a choice.
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Moo
replied on August 21st, 2009
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CloseMindedMale wrote:
If you didn't want a baby why did you have sex? Having sex is a choice.

Because having sex doesn't mean you are prepared or want to have children (many people have sex for pleasure you know, it's not just for reproduction).

Abortion is also a choice Smile
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CloseMindedMale
replied on August 21st, 2009
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But pregnancy is a natural, possible outcome of sex. It is an outcome that people ingaging in sex are implicitly willng to accept. That is, they are willing to accept it unless they are willing to also accept having an abortion. Therefore abortion becomes a good thing because it allows them to have sex without accepting the natural outcome. Is abortion a good thing?
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Respect
replied on August 22nd, 2009
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then maybe they shouldn't be participating in an activity that is specifically known for causing pregnancy?
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CloseMindedMale
replied on August 23rd, 2009
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Wouldn't that make sense? Otherwise, abortion should be viewed as a good thing because it allows someone to engage in sex without having to be responsible for the natural outcome. So, is abortion a good thing or a bad thing?
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replied on August 24th, 2009
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Most definantly bad for the person being "terminated".
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