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NeutralUsername
on March 5th, 2009
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Everything I have ever heard about raising children, and the lifestyle involved in parenting, has only cemented my commitment to ensuring I could obtain an abortion if necessary. There is nothing - NOTHING - I have ever heard or seen that makes it something desirable in any way.

Heck, I need a new dog, and I am even dreading having to get a puppy.


In what way do you NEED a new dog, yet dread actually getting one as a puppy? Just curious, since you are comparing raising a child to raising a dog and if you don't find raising a dog desirable, either, then why would you get one?
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In what way do you NEED a new dog, yet dread actually getting one as a puppy? Just curious, since you are comparing raising a child to raising a dog and if you don't find raising a dog desirable, either, then why would you get one?


We just lost our dog (ie she died). We got her second-hand, and she was utterly perfect. We were very lucky to find her, even though we only had her for two years before she was diagnosed with heart failure. We spent £££££ on medical bills over two years, but she was worth it. But someone else had already done all the hard work, but she was also incredibly happy and sociable by nature. The whole socialising and training the puppy thing is quite daunting, and not something I would take on voluntarily or get any kind of kick from, but because of domestic requirements involving a lot of other animals now, getting another adult rescue dog is risky.
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oopoopoop wrote:
NeutralUsername wrote:


In what way do you NEED a new dog, yet dread actually getting one as a puppy? Just curious, since you are comparing raising a child to raising a dog and if you don't find raising a dog desirable, either, then why would you get one?


We just lost our dog (ie she died). We got her second-hand, and she was utterly perfect. We were very lucky to find her, even though we only had her for two years before she was diagnosed with heart failure. We spent £££££ on medical bills over two years, but she was worth it. But someone else had already done all the hard work, but she was also incredibly happy and sociable by nature. The whole socialising and training the puppy thing is quite daunting, and not something I would take on voluntarily or get any kind of kick from, but because of domestic requirements involving a lot of other animals now, getting another adult rescue dog is risky.


I'm sorry for your loss.
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Oh god I can hear my calling

Thanks "luvtiedye"

Terrible two stage is horrible, I have two in ti, I don't recognize my walls anymore after having my daughter draw all over them. Thankx for posters and tall furniture.

They always respond with "No."

You could hide things or put them away but they will find them, the joys of kids.

They think its funny when their meals hits the ground, especially when there milk goes along too. Their creativity can amount to them trying to cook the non-edible special of the day, emptying the contents of the fridge into pots.

OOH but the best one yet, paiting their walls and themselves with their own shyte, that was a little gross for me and both did it.

enough said...


Diamond you just need to have a little more sense of humor with your kids.

Like today with my baby she poop but when I was changing her diaper she wasn't finished pooping and just about when I'm taking the diaper completely off she goes and finishes lol. To me that just reason to laugh! And we laugh when she farts and we laugh when she burps like an adult I mean really have some sense of humor!

To me definetly the baby stage is a piece of cake, I guess I have a good baby then but I only wake up once in the night when she is hungry and she really cries only when she is hungry or has a wet diaper. If she is otherwise fuzzy I boob her and she inmediatly calms down and sleep. No constipation problems or anything. I actually expected things to be harder that of handling a baby but it really not so. It is important thought to have a good support system. My husband helps a lot and that makes things easier. It has been a week since I actually get to change a poop diaper. She only poops once a day.

I just don't get why anybody will expect good things in life without some little "work". Life will never be free of hardships. Life is difficult whether you have children or not. So it is those special moments what makes life interesting and worth. Give me another baby!
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oopoopoop wrote:
NeutralUsername wrote:


In what way do you NEED a new dog, yet dread actually getting one as a puppy? Just curious, since you are comparing raising a child to raising a dog and if you don't find raising a dog desirable, either, then why would you get one?


We just lost our dog (ie she died). We got her second-hand, and she was utterly perfect. We were very lucky to find her, even though we only had her for two years before she was diagnosed with heart failure. We spent £££££ on medical bills over two years, but she was worth it. But someone else had already done all the hard work, but she was also incredibly happy and sociable by nature. The whole socialising and training the puppy thing is quite daunting, and not something I would take on voluntarily or get any kind of kick from, but because of domestic requirements involving a lot of other animals now, getting another adult rescue dog is risky.


Sorry for the loss of your dog. If you attach that much to a dog I really think you would attach even more much to a child. I myself love dogs but I don't attach them like you at all.
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My sister in law has five kids and after babysitting them for a couple of hours, I'm ready to shoot myself. I don't know how she manages to retain sanity! I've got all the love and respect in the world for parents but it's definitely not a gig for ME. Whew!
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My sister in law has five kids and after babysitting them for a couple of hours, I'm ready to shoot myself. I don't know how she manages to retain sanity! I've got all the love and respect in the world for parents but it's definitely not a gig for ME. Whew!


Darkmoon I couldn't handle five kids myself neither! Two children is the right amount for me.
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diamondsz wrote:
Oh god I can hear my calling

Thanks "luvtiedye"

Terrible two stage is horrible, I have two in ti, I don't recognize my walls anymore after having my daughter draw all over them. Thankx for posters and tall furniture.

They always respond with "No."

You could hide things or put them away but they will find them, the joys of kids.

They think its funny when their meals hits the ground, especially when there milk goes along too. Their creativity can amount to them trying to cook the non-edible special of the day, emptying the contents of the fridge into pots.

OOH but the best one yet, paiting their walls and themselves with their own shyte, that was a little gross for me and both did it.

enough said...


Diamond you just need to have a little more sense of humor with your kids.

Like today with my baby she poop but when I was changing her diaper she wasn't finished pooping and just about when I'm taking the diaper completely off she goes and finishes lol. To me that just reason to laugh! And we laugh when she farts and we laugh when she burps like an adult I mean really have some sense of humor!

To me definetly the baby stage is a piece of cake, I guess I have a good baby then but I only wake up once in the night when she is hungry and she really cries only when she is hungry or has a wet diaper. If she is otherwise fuzzy I boob her and she inmediatly calms down and sleep. No constipation problems or anything. I actually expected things to be harder that of handling a baby but it really not so. It is important thought to have a good support system. My husband helps a lot and that makes things easier. It has been a week since I actually get to change a poop diaper. She only poops once a day.

I just don't get why anybody will expect good things in life without some little "work". Life will never be free of hardships. Life is difficult whether you have children or not. So it is those special moments what makes life interesting and worth. Give me another baby!



The thing you have to realize is that not all babies are the same.
I find humor in things my son does too, when he farts my boyfriend and i laugh, and we act shocked and laugh when he burps like a big boy! everything he does we think is cute, aborable and funny. But it still is stressful, and sorry, at 5 in the morning when im still running off of 2 hours sleep from the night before, the humor is gone. I still love my son though, because if i didnt i would not still be up with him.

I have a great support system, but at night i do everything by myself, and in the day time i do too plus i baby sit my nephew when he gets home from senior kindergarten and also my niece who is in grade one but right now home sick.
My boyfriend is supportive and helpful, but i dont exect him to do everything because he has a job that starts at 3 in the morning, and ends usually around 3 in the afternoon and if hes lucky he finishes earlier.
i do not expect good things in life to come without work. clearly we have to work hard for everything we have.

Everyday i spend with my son is a new day full of wonderful things and moments to cherish and keep dear to my heart. Everyday i learn something new too. And the fact that i know that nothing comes easy, makes it that much easier for me to say, there are somedays that i am stressed and frustrated and utterly exausted! However i still continue to go about all the things i need to do, i still care and love my son

My son is a very fussy boy, which is different than your child.
My son goes to sleep at about 2:30am or later so im up all day and night with him.
You get up once at night, where i get up 3 or more times because he is crying or fussing in his crib.
My son has a little constipation, yours does not.
I am not afraid to admit when i feel stressed or feel like i would like to have one moment to be a simple 19 year old. and i dont think that makes me a bad person.

do you see the differences there with your child and mine?
could you possibly see how someone could feel slightly the way i do and maybe a little more stressed than you would?
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Sorry for the loss of your dog. If you attach that much to a dog I really think you would attach even more much to a child. I myself love dogs but I don't attach them like you at all.


And I think your brain has turned into baby poop. You really haven't got a clue, do you? When someone says they hate babies, find them utterly tedious and quite revolting, that cleaning up urine and wiping shitty little arses is the most disgusting and useless function ever conceived, and they can't think of anything more appalling than having to look after a brat for the rest of their lives...you really think they should have a kid?

I don't want a puppy because they are needy and I don't want to have to house-train it. Yeah, you really think that I wouldn't throw a kid out the window within about 3 days?

You attach to your kid so much, maybe you should go out and get a few dementia patients to look after -- I bet you could attach to them too. Bigger nappies, and just as much drool. There you go.
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Proudmommy (and I wonder why you choose that username with this comment) what is the fuzz with crying baby, bottles and cleaning poop? It is NO BIG DEAL. You do all this with LOVE. Yes and you wake up at night to feed the baby too but again you wake up with LOVE. It is fascinating to do see a baby that was inside of you grow. You can't stop kissing the baby and you could be forever holding him/her in your arms. I'm gonna melt down when my little one calls me "mama".

I definetly want to have another baby.


Duh, DUH! YOUR CHILD WAS PLANNED! So was mine, and mine was a joy, also. However, I was an adult, I had a husband, a nanny, owned my own home, was financially and emotionally secure, etc., etc., etc! Not everyone has children under IDEAL circumstances!!! Not everyone gets pregnant under ideal circumstances, or even TOLERABLE circumstances.
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msrosie, it will get better though.



I don't have kids, thankfully.
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Diamond you just need to have a little more sense of humor with your kids.


You do everything on your own with barely to no help and then come back to me and talk about humor~!
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nightangel73 wrote:

Diamond you just need to have a little more sense of humor with your kids.


You do everything on your own with barely to no help and then come back to me and talk about humor~!


i have had 2 bladder infections from holding my pee because my son would be crying or would not let me get away for a second to pee..i see no humor in that either.
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but because of domestic requirements involving a lot of other animals now, getting another adult rescue dog is risky.


What does this mean?
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but because of domestic requirements involving a lot of other animals now, getting another adult rescue dog is risky.


What does this mean?


I think she's talking about the risk of an adult pound dog adjusting well to the new home and not attacking anyone. When you take an adult animal home from the shelter/pound you can never be sure how it was previously treated and you don't have the benefit of rearing it from babyhood to train or teach it when its most receptive to learning new things.

Just a guess.
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but because of domestic requirements involving a lot of other animals now, getting another adult rescue dog is risky.


What does this mean?


The kind of dog I want is bred for chasing, and an adult in rescue is quite likely to have been actively used that way. I have cats, plus free range chickens and ducks. Puppies raised with other animals tend to know to think of them as family, and not try to eat them.
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nightangel73
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diamondsz wrote:
nightangel73 wrote:

Diamond you just need to have a little more sense of humor with your kids.


You do everything on your own with barely to no help and then come back to me and talk about humor~!


i have had 2 bladder infections from holding my pee because my son would be crying or would not let me get away for a second to pee..i see no humor in that either.


Omg if I have to pee that bad i would let the baby cry until I'm done peeing!!! A baby can cry for hours and is not harmful you know. Just check the baby diaper is not wet and the baby is fed.
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nightangel73 wrote:
diamondsz wrote:
Oh god I can hear my calling

Thanks "luvtiedye"

Terrible two stage is horrible, I have two in ti, I don't recognize my walls anymore after having my daughter draw all over them. Thankx for posters and tall furniture.

They always respond with "No."

You could hide things or put them away but they will find them, the joys of kids.

They think its funny when their meals hits the ground, especially when there milk goes along too. Their creativity can amount to them trying to cook the non-edible special of the day, emptying the contents of the fridge into pots.

OOH but the best one yet, paiting their walls and themselves with their own shyte, that was a little gross for me and both did it.

enough said...


Diamond you just need to have a little more sense of humor with your kids.

Like today with my baby she poop but when I was changing her diaper she wasn't finished pooping and just about when I'm taking the diaper completely off she goes and finishes lol. To me that just reason to laugh! And we laugh when she farts and we laugh when she burps like an adult I mean really have some sense of humor!

To me definetly the baby stage is a piece of cake, I guess I have a good baby then but I only wake up once in the night when she is hungry and she really cries only when she is hungry or has a wet diaper. If she is otherwise fuzzy I boob her and she inmediatly calms down and sleep. No constipation problems or anything. I actually expected things to be harder that of handling a baby but it really not so. It is important thought to have a good support system. My husband helps a lot and that makes things easier. It has been a week since I actually get to change a poop diaper. She only poops once a day.

I just don't get why anybody will expect good things in life without some little "work". Life will never be free of hardships. Life is difficult whether you have children or not. So it is those special moments what makes life interesting and worth. Give me another baby!



The thing you have to realize is that not all babies are the same.
I find humor in things my son does too, when he farts my boyfriend and i laugh, and we act shocked and laugh when he burps like a big boy! everything he does we think is cute, aborable and funny. But it still is stressful, and sorry, at 5 in the morning when im still running off of 2 hours sleep from the night before, the humor is gone. I still love my son though, because if i didnt i would not still be up with him.

I have a great support system, but at night i do everything by myself, and in the day time i do too plus i baby sit my nephew when he gets home from senior kindergarten and also my niece who is in grade one but right now home sick.
My boyfriend is supportive and helpful, but i dont exect him to do everything because he has a job that starts at 3 in the morning, and ends usually around 3 in the afternoon and if hes lucky he finishes earlier.
i do not expect good things in life to come without work. clearly we have to work hard for everything we have.

Everyday i spend with my son is a new day full of wonderful things and moments to cherish and keep dear to my heart. Everyday i learn something new too. And the fact that i know that nothing comes easy, makes it that much easier for me to say, there are somedays that i am stressed and frustrated and utterly exausted! However i still continue to go about all the things i need to do, i still care and love my son

My son is a very fussy boy, which is different than your child.
My son goes to sleep at about 2:30am or later so im up all day and night with him.
You get up once at night, where i get up 3 or more times because he is crying or fussing in his crib.
My son has a little constipation, yours does not.
I am not afraid to admit when i feel stressed or feel like i would like to have one moment to be a simple 19 year old. and i dont think that makes me a bad person.

do you see the differences there with your child and mine?
could you possibly see how someone could feel slightly the way i do and maybe a little more stressed than you would?


Find out why your baby is that fuzzy. It doesn't sound normal to me. Mine in one was fuzzing for a while and it was the formula. I have to buy enfamil only.
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Duh, DUH! YOUR CHILD WAS PLANNED! So was mine, and mine was a joy, also. However, I was an adult, I had a husband, a nanny, owned my own home, was financially and emotionally secure, etc., etc., etc! Not everyone has children under IDEAL circumstances!!! Not everyone gets pregnant under ideal circumstances, or even TOLERABLE circumstances.


Nobody has said that life is easy even if you do have the pregnancy under ideal circumstances. But there is no social circumstance that can justify killing a healthy growing embryo/fetus. I personally couldn't possibly live with the the thought that one day I went in to some clinic or took this number of pills to kill someone, to kill a human life that was growing inside of me.
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nightangel73 wrote:

I personally couldn't possibly live with the the thought that one day I went in to some clinic or took this number of pills to kill someone, to kill a human life that was growing inside of me.
How is it so hard for you to understand that there ARE women out there who think EXACTLY opposite of what you think, who would give their lives NOT to be pregnant?
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