I'm equally sure that men have been using the same excuses of "she could carry my 'children'" to oppress women since the dawn of time. The class distinction between men and women is staggering, even in "enlightened" places like the USA, UK, Australia and so forth. Do you know that women can be give extra special charges if they do the same drugs as a man during pregnancy? Yet the man that impregnated them suffers no special charges because he's not the one carrying the fetus, even though his sperm were damaged in the process of drug use and just as likely the cause of a birth defect as the woman's habits during?

Women are burned at the stake in every aspect of our lives. If we breed, we have to be supermom and everything that happens regarding our offspring is our fault from the time that evil little wiggler got in until we die. Breastfeed and you're an exhibitionist. Don't breastfeed and you're a child abuser. If we don't breed, we're selfish. If we abort we're selfish, if we adopt, we're still selfish.

For F's sake, if anyone is being taken advantage of and abused here it's the bloody women that give birth to these fetuses in the first place! You want to weep tears over something that doesn't even know it exists yet while thousands of young girls are starving themselves or puking up everything they ever ate to meet societal standards of beauty and little girls are being raped by their own fathers?

What about the people who actually saw family members get marched off to gas chambers, eh? Living, breathing, fully sentient people that watched their families slaughtered and all you can do is compare that to a woman choosing to end an early and unwanted pregnancy?

There is so much wrong here I can't even begin...

Oh let me pick it up.. you see if women did not gestate every single pregnancy then:

* the 1460 child abuse related fatalites wouldn't happen, we must force women to breed so we can increase this depressingly low number source

* We couldn't have such small numbers of child sexual abuse:

1 in 4 girls is sexually abused before the age of 18.
1 in 6 boys is sexually abused before the age of 18.
1 in 5 children are solicited sexually while on the internet. (30, 87)
Nearly 70% of all reported sexual assaults (including assaults on adults) occur to children ages 17 and under. (76)
An estimated 39 million survivors of childhood sexual abuse exist in America today. (1)
source

yes this is severely sarcastic but I haven't even touched the poverty issue. Forcing gestation will force a epic rise in poverty. This isn't going to help anyone.
So please Nuetral , Diamond.. any of you, please point out your ideas on how to prevent these issues while you continue to press for killing, maiming and injuring women.

I believe Diamond is pro-choice.

Yes, Diamond is prochoice. I think there's been some confusion regarding things she's quoted and things she's said.

working my fingers to the bone seven days a week building jet aircraft just so my wife can have an abortion is not something i am proud of. if only there was some way that those aircraft that i risk my life to make so well could be used to rectify the atrocity of a bunch self absorbed halfwits dehumanizing the unborn.

Err... huh? What does your job have to do with your wife getting an abortion? Are you even attempting to make sense?



Airplanes have nothing to do with abortion rights. I think you're very confused.

Oops, double post. Sorry!

Okay, first: What does any of that have to do with the issues that I posted?

Second: What does your chosen line of work have to do with a woman (even "your" woman's) reproductive choice?

Third: Calling women (at least I assume you were referring to women but your comments are so chaotic it's difficult to say) "self absorbed halfwits" for objecting to the objectification of their bodies and the DEHUMANIZING of them through society's expectations that they either be sex toys or brood mares is just another example of the misogyny inherent in common prolife mindsets.

Are you trying to say that because you chose a dangerous line of work you're somehow entitled to make a woman carry your offspring? You can CHOOSE that line of work. You can't choose your gender and women can't choose whether or not pregnancy permanently damages or kills them. The difference between your work and pregnancy is that you can quit your job. From what I can glean from your rant, you don't want women to have the choice to quit pregnancy.

Help me out here because you're all over the place and my psychic skills can only go so far online.

-Sincerely,

Just Another Halfwit Female that should be barefoot and pregnant.

Apples and lamposts? Who's the "halfwit"?

women are not required to become pregnant and very much can choose the courses of action that either can or can't result in pregnancy. a self centered female gives in to her primal urges because she lacks self control and then has the audacity to blame her choices on defenseless victims that result from her choices.

Like abortion. Glad we are on the same page!

I'm glad you're choosing to remain abstinent for the rest of your life antrise just in case your wife chooses to have an abortion. I mean, why should she have any control of her body if you're working 7 days a week? You need to recheck your logic. As if I'M working my fingers to the bone 7 days a week serving people like you who think they should have a say in whether I give birth or have sex with my long term boyfriend.

Right. She got herself pregnant, didn't she? The little minx.

AND THERE YOU HAVE IT! This is the REAL OBJECTION that many men have to abortion.

I would like to add the fact that this same reasoning is what leads to female genital mutilation:

"A more complete answer comes with understanding a core belief many communities have about women. This belief holds that women are fundamentally sexual creatures and naturally promiscuous; thus the purpose of FGM is to prevent women from succumbing to these impulses and to protect them against the sexual aggressions of others."

WANTED children are abused every day. Can you show statistics that if all women gave birth instead of abort that there would be a rise in abuse? Abortion is legal and abuse still occurs in large numbers. Just because someone or something is wanted, it doesn't mean abuse will occur. To me, it seems a majority of wanted children are sexually abused. They're just wanted in a sick and preverted way. Many kinds of people want abuse to stop and actually do something about it. It doesn't mean they can't be pro-life, too.

And DON'T insult pro-lifers by saying we want to "press for killing, maiming and injuring women." JUST STOP. Yes, it is CHILDISH for both a pro-choicer OR pro-lifer to name call and make rude comments.

Funny how you didn't jump antrise for calling women halfwits. I get the distinct impression that you're only interest is censoring and limiting prochoice arguments. You never chastise prolifers that come in here accusing women of "whoring around" or using derogatory terms against them, NeutralUsername.

If only men didnt climb themselves atop of us and rectify themselves god over another human being.

You are dehumanizing women now we got a bunch of halfwitz who think they are god over another human.

Im just throwing your analogy back, I work my rear end off watching children when my real love lies to working and running my own business that I have to deal with the atrocity of men trying to think for me.

A question for you, how did the wife get pregnant oh that right your just as responsible TAKE THE BLAME!!

More children ---> more abuse.

Logic.



Advocating a prolife philosophy has some pretty unpleasant side effects. Eliminate safe procedures, create an environment where women seek out unsafe situations that could lead to death or injury.

talk about the cart before the horse. abortion does not prevent pregnancy. abortion ends a pregnancy that has already ocurred. meaning a human being that exists within the mothers womb is exterminated. not prevented.