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Q: How would you feel, if the Catholic Church said...

asked by: GuÂ£st on May 22nd, 2008

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... if we cant beat them, join them.

It is well known that Christianity is an advocate for the oppressed and the poor, for the down trodden and out casts in society.

Well what if the Catholic church said, well we cant beat those who oppress, we cant beat the rich we cant beat those who trample on people and we cant beat those who make out casts in society, so lets join them.

Lets think of the new christian line as something like this.....

Yeah lord and lady britain we now agree with you, of course abortion is not for the likes of you or us, we are far superior to those underclass type people, those unemployed lot who have nothing better to do than have sex so they can have babies to obtain houses on social security, of course abortion for such people should not only be a choice, it should be encouraged, and of course we must give their already existing children contraception, perhaps we should try steralisation via some "vaccination programme", we need to stop the likes of such people from breading.

and of course we cant have a large population of ethnic minorities in case they take control, so abortion should be encouraged among ethnic races, only white people of good breading (eugenics) like lords and ladies should encourage pregnancy and also those who have money to provide a decent education, yes only decent people should get pregnant, let those scum bags kill their children, they cant afford to give them anything but this so callec "love" why should we have to keep those scummy council flat tennants in a house, we certainly arent our brothers keeper, there are so many of them, the country is going to wreck and ruin, we need to cull the undesirables. We are now in favour of abortion for the same reasons as you.

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oopoopoop

replied on May 22nd, 2008

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I think maybe your dosage needs adjusting.

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Maddie34

replied on May 22nd, 2008

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*Slams forehead on desk*
No wonder people on here are so annoyed with Christianity; it really is embarrassing to see some of the things they post.

... I'm Catholic, but it's strange how different my faith is from just about everything you say.

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GuÂ£st

replied on May 22nd, 2008

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Catholicism is entirely different from the things I posted, just as well otherwise it wouldnt be catholic.

Birch

replied on May 22nd, 2008

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Re: How would you feel, if the Catholic Church said...

Gu£st wrote:

We are now in favour of abortion for the same reasons as you.

I didn't see any of the reasons I am PRO CHOICE (versus "in favour of abortion") listed there, only the same ol' incorrect, stereotypical dogma.

Birch

replied on May 22nd, 2008

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Re: How would you feel, if the Catholic Church said...

Try as I might, I just cannot fit a Bible into my uterus.

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Maddie34

replied on May 22nd, 2008

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I know Catholicism is different. I got the point you were trying to make.
However that isn't what being prochoice is about either, so that's where I got lost and annoyed because what you said was false.

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Darkmoon

replied on May 23rd, 2008

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Catholicism causes more problems than it solves through the anti-birth control stance. Women are unnecessarily subjected to accidental/unwanted/dangerous pregnancies because of Catholic dogma and its reach. I would say this is only a Catholic woman's problem but for the fact that Catholic pharmacists practice gender discrimination each day by refusing to dispense medical treatment to females.

The Catholic belief system interferes with women's health care on an international level. Birth control isn't used exclusively to prevent pregnancy, often it is used to regulate debilitating and chaotic menstrual cycles. It is also used to treat a very common medical condition called endometriosis, which affects a good number of women and if left untreated can render them sterile or fuse internal organs together. Of course, the Catholics wouldn't care about what happens to a woman's other organs but what would they say if their anti-bc stance actually stopped women from breeding?

Long ago I accepted that Catholics and most other Christians are simply in favor of female suffering.

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cmyked

replied on May 23rd, 2008

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Christianity is unfortunately very corrupt in some ways; especially when it comes to money. In the past it has been very corrupt, with rich Popes padding their pockets.

Beware of the "slippery slope" theory, Guest. Beware of exaggerating ideas to fit an idea.

And remember finally, that it is not about "beating" anyone. You don't "win" at Christianity. Instead, we share our knowledge by acting. By being a giver, a provider, a donator. Show the rich how to find happiness in being a samaratin. Show the oppressors the pleasure of humble cooperation, and the joy of seeing someone else suceede because of your help.

Lead by example, not force. If you try to "beat" the rich and the oppressive into submission, you become the oppressor. By trying too hard to "beat" them instead of "joining" them, you inadvertently become them and you DO join them, even if you're so deluded you think you're doing good.

The best form of Christianity is a passive kind. Simply BE Christian. Others will ask, and you can provide if asked. Then teach, gently. Never be "preachy", but subtle. Don't prostletize, don't shout. A quiet voice is strained to hear, a loud one is blocked out.

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osmondfan

replied on May 24th, 2008

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Darkmoon wrote:

Long ago I accepted that Catholics and most other Christians are simply in favor of female suffering.

As a devout and proud Catholic, I can assure you I am in favor of no one's suffering. However, I also do not think that suffering should be avoided at all costs, including something that is wrong morally. I believe that sex and marriage are for procreating and that children are a natural God-given result of sexual relations. Therefore, birth control stops the natural process of sex. Are there instances where pregnancies and births create pain and suffering for the mothers? Yes, of course. But that does not mean that the pregnancy should be stopped. That means that sometimes there is sufering in life and it has to be dealt with. I don't think killing a child to avoid your own personal pain or suffering is justifiable. And yes: The moment sperm and egg meet, a child is created. You may tell yourself otherwise, but that is fact.

oopoopoop

replied on May 24th, 2008

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osmondfan wrote:

Darkmoon wrote:

Long ago I accepted that Catholics and most other Christians are simply in favor of female suffering.

I think that is a fine and dandy thing for you to believe, and I wish you much happiness in living your life that way. Can you, though, accept that those who do not follow your religion believe otherwise -- and that they have the right to behave in accordance with their own beliefs? Or is your way the right way and everyone else is wrong?

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AyaMiyaki

replied on May 24th, 2008

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If you want to have nine children, you go right ahead and do that. I, however, do NOT want nine children. I will continue to have sex with my husband when we're done creating babies and I will use birth control to ensure I don't get pregnant again. If that morally offends you, I'm afraid that will have to remain YOUR problem and not mine.

I also find your shrugging off pregnancy complications and risks as "a mother should suffer and deal" disturbing. As a Christian, I don't believe anybody should suffer against their will. I don't know what sane person would wish suffering on another person for daring to have sex.

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aochriss

replied on May 24th, 2008

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osmondfan wrote:

Darkmoon wrote:

Long ago I accepted that Catholics and most other Christians are simply in favor of female suffering.

That is what you believe, and I have no problem with that. However, can you understand that you have no right to force/coerce/cajole/etc. anyone else to also believe what you believe? It is also wrong to try to get your religious beliefs reflected in secular laws.

For example, this statement is outrageous:
"You may tell yourself otherwise, but that is fact."

It most certainly is NOT a fact, it is a BELIEF.

I'm addressing all religious people with this post, osmondfan, not just you.

aochriss

replied on May 24th, 2008

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oopoopoop wrote:

I wrote my post above before I read this, lol!!!!! I guess great minds think alike. Smile

Darkmoon

replied on May 25th, 2008

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Please listen to reasonable Christians like cmyked and AyaMiyaki. You can't force the world to practice your religion's sexual views. Childfree women deserve a relationship. We deserve love just like any "breeder" woman. Discrimination against women that won't or can't breed is not moral. Same goes for men. Some Christians are willing to step out of their church for a moment and interact with the world outside.

In that world, many people of many different faiths and non-faiths exist.

It is not going to hurt you at all to let them live as they will. If you're right and they are wrong, then they'll be hurt and you'll still be fine. If they're right and you're wrong, same thing holds true. You can't force everyone else to follow your beliefs. When it comes to reproduction, to force women to adhere to Catholic endeavors is to force them to be slaves.

Darkmoon

replied on May 25th, 2008

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I'd also like to call to attention the Church of Jesus Christ of Laterday Saints or whatever these child molesters call themselves. These people believe that men should have multiple wives and that female children should be married (aka raped by older men) as soon as they hit puberty.

Tell me please, why should the rest of the world prescribe to Christian laws when so much of it clearly advocates the rape and abuse of females, including children?

cmyked

replied on May 26th, 2008

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Not everyone who calls themselves Christian is so.

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diamondsz

replied on May 27th, 2008

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some people use religion as a guideline and other it is their choice of lifestyle although I consider it ignorant.

For those who shove their opinions down others throat religion is a belief a perception that you see but everyone has different perceptions, reality does not exist my dear. Christianity is not the only religion "fact" their is religion noted before this time.

For the ignorance no sin is greater than another....

Abortin or birth control may be a sin but so is ignorance and judging, so if you are the same as the other person why are you so condescending upon other another sin may I so add.

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Beline

replied on June 1st, 2008

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Let’s get back to basics. What is Christianity all about? Loving your Creator and your fellow human beings. Serving God by serving one another. And leading people to Christ (NOT by forcing your religion down their thoughts.) Fact is Guest, you are not very good at the latter.
From what I’ve seen on this forum you have done remarkably well at doing the exact opposite.
I just cringe every time I read one of your posts.
Thank goodness for posters like Cmyked, AyaMiyaki, Maddie, and Roberta777. These Christians try their very best to undo the damage that you do every time you post.

Beline

replied on June 1st, 2008

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Osmondfan (Ozzy, I presume?) I can’t remember ever reading anything in the Bible about sex only being for procreation. Can you help me out with a verse or two?

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