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Q: how to read an MRI
asked by: sunshine51 on July 27th, 2008
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i got two mris and an extra and have no idea what they are talking about
Can anyone help to put the reports in simple terms.
1. Sagittal and axial T1 images before and after intravenous contast in sagittal and axial T2 images were oneFindings: There is moderate midlumbar scoliosis which is convex to the left side. Marked is based narrowing is present at L1-to come L2-3 and L3-4 L1-to come L2-3, L3-4 and L5-S1. Moderate anterior wedge deformity of T12 appears chronic. Osteophytes are located throughout the lumbar spine with disc desiccation.The conus is normal in signal intensity and morphology.L5-S1:Bilateral laminectomy defects from prior surgery. There is marked proliferative change involving the posterior elements on the side. Minimal asymmetric left-sided posterior vertebral osteophyte is present. There is asymmetric signal within the left lateral spinal canal which abuts the thecal sac and is most likely related to scar. Diffuse anaterior osteophyte is present with no definite disc herniation. The left L5-S1 neutral foramen is moderately narrowed.L4-5FinalThere is no disc herniation. Both apophyseal joints are moderately hypertrophic, contributing to mild canal stenosis and moderate bilateral neural foraminal stenosis.L3-4Posterior vertebral osteophyte abuts the ventral aspect of the thecal sac and there is bilateral apophyseal joint perforation greater on right side. These changes contribute to mild canal stenosis.L2-3There is no disc herniation or canal stenosis. The right L2-3 neural foramen is moderate markedly narrowed.L1-2A diffuse disc bulge flattens the ventral thecal sac resulting in mild canal stenosis. Both neural foramina are moderately narrowed.T12-L1There is no disc herniation, canal ro foraminal stenosisFinalT11-12Ther is no disc herniation, canal or foraminal stenosisImpression:1. Postoperative change at L5-S1. Asymmetric signal located lateral to the left side of the thecal sac is probably related to postoperative scar. Left-sided posterior vertebral osteophyte. There is no disc herniation or signigicant canal stenosis at this level.2. Mild canal stenosis L4-5 secondary to apophyseal joint proliferative changes.3. Mild canal stenosis at L3-4 secondary to posterior vertebral osteophyte and bilateral apophyseal joint proliferative changes.4. Mild canal stenosis at L1-2 secondary to a diffuse disc bulge.5. multilevel neural foraminal stenosis6. Moderate midlumbar levoscoliosis.
Lumbar spine:Clinical indication: Increased low back pain: post laminectomyAP and lateral views of the spine were performed the lateral view was performed in flexicon and extension aw well is in neutral position. There is levoscoliosis. There has been a laminexctomy at L5 and S1. Four and L5 S1. Hypertrophic change and sclerosis is noted at these levels. There is anterior wedging of T12 and L1. THe T12 compression fracture is approximately a 60 percent compression. The L1 compression fracture is approximately 25 percent compression. There is very limited motion on the flexion and extension images. There is no evidence of abnormal mobility or change in alignment. There is incidental note of vascular calcification. The sacrum is normal. SI joints are symmetric. Impression: Scoliosis with pronounced degenerative disc disease and osteoarthritis. Compression fractures Tqw and L1 as described. L5-S1 laminectomy
MRI thoracic spine with and without contrast 5/22Comparison: 4-18-08 MRI Lumbar spine. Findings: THere is a moderate anterior compression deformity localizing to the T12 level.. THis is unchanged compared to the prior examination. There is no evidence of acute vertebral body stature loss nor abnormal enhancement. Minimal bulging discs are noted at several levels but there is no evidence of spinal canal compromise. There is linear T2 signal increase noted originating slightly cephalad relative to the T5 area and most prominent here but extending distally throughout the length of the canal. This measures approximately 2-3mm in size maximally at the T5 level and less so within the caudal protions of the spinal cord. THis is felt to represent prominent central canal versus syrinx formation. Impression:1. Small thoracic spinal cord syrinx/enlarged central canal. There is not as associated abnormal enhancement, disc extrusion, or acute osseous abnormality

thank you so much,
sunshine51
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RichT
replied on July 27th, 2008
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Hello Sunshine,

I understand your wish to better understand the report from your MRIs. However, as you know, in my opinion it is improper for any of us on this forum to do so. My concern for those that do try to "simplify" the report on this forum is that it can come back to them in a lawsuit.

Talk with your doctor(s) and have them explain to you your back situation. The really good spinal surgeons only take a glance at the report. They want to determine from the MRI images themselves and the exams the spinal issues that you have.

Take care.

RichT
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littleonefb
replied on July 28th, 2008
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Hello Sunshine51,

I responded to your other post but thought i would respond here as well.

RichT has summed up the appropriate answer for as did I on your other thread you started.

You need to get the answers to your questions about your MRI from you spine specialist.

Your MRI reading is just that, a reading. A good doctor takes the MRI reading and takes a look, then looks at the films and then matches your symptoms to what he sees on the MRI films.

It is really not appropriate for anyone to just attempt to interpret your MRI reading from just the words. None of us are properly trained to do so. that takes a lot of training to be able to interpret MRI pics.

I would also advise you to take your MRI films and the reading to another spine specialist for a second opinion.

Fran
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sunshine51
replied on July 29th, 2008
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how to read an mri
hi there,
Thank you for responding. i know each translation just that a translation,
i've seen one specialist, and his response was very confusioning, After he said that ""It was to "riskey" to operate"" my mind went blank and I lost my train of thought. I didn"t know what to ask him.Ijust listened,
I plan on seeing a second specialist
and I want to be preparded with a list of good questions to ask him.
That is the point(reason) of my entry, message, and question.
I just want to be ready for everything and know exactly what to ask him.
I would be thankful of any and all responses to my quiry.
MY pain doctor has of yet has not made my appointment...
I am going to call him today to ask him about my referial,
and to make an my appointment with him and with the second specialist
I just made my appointment with my pain specialist for thursday July 31 at 12:30
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sunshine51
replied on July 29th, 2008
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>>>>>>> How to read an MRI <<<
Hi there .... again ......

I fat fingered my reply and posted my entry before I was finished,
anyway as I was saying
.Addionally, I want to be ready with a list of questions for my pain specialist.
I know that when someone reads an MRI it's his or hers unique interpertation and
the more persice interpratations I have the better questions I can ask
. I don't want to be fumbling around with stupid questions.

I NOT TRYING TO PIN ANYONE DOWN WITH A READING OF THE MRI
.OR NOT HOLDING ANYONE RESPONSIBLE

The additional resulting summarys of the MRIs or samples I get
the clearer my understanding of the MRI I'll have.
With theses interputations I'll be able to make

MY OWN INTERPUTATION.
and know what questions to ask

I HOPE MY REPLY MAKES SENSE

I AN NOT TRYING TO HOLD ANYONE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYTHING.

I JUST WANT TO HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF MY OWN MRI.

THANKS to all who reply to my questions,
Sunshine51
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littleonefb
replied on July 29th, 2008
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The best way to have a better understanding of your own MRI is to "listen and Hear what your doctor has to say about it."

Have your own written copy of the MRI with you in hand, along with a notebook and pen to write down everything he says.

At any time, you don't understand something your doctor says, stop him and ask him to repeat it or explain it better for you, tell the doctor that you don't understand what he/she said.

Go over every little thing that is reported on your MRI with your doctor so that you have a full understanding of everything.

You said your doctor said it is "to risky" to do surgery". Ask why, get a very detailed answer from him.
It may be that the doctor is saying that because it is true, it may be because the doctor is not experienced in the type of surgery you need or not up to date in new procedures that you could help you.

In one of your posts you said the doctor mentioned cancer to you. Ask why, what is in the MRI that might mean that. What is the doctor suggesting to you, if that is a concern.

Another good thing is to bring a trusted person with you to all your doctor appointments. Be sure that the person you bring with you won't be afraid to also ask questions, get further details and information with you.
It's always a good idea to do this anyways.

Write everything down so you can look at it after you get home as well.

If your doctor refuses to satisfy you with explanations, then it's time to just take your MRI films and/ or disc and just see other specialists. Any doctor that refuses to take the time to explain in detail so that a patient can understand all that is going on and what the MRI reading means vs the symptoms that the patient presents with, is not a good qualified doctor and shouldn't be used.

I would also get several other opinions and do all the same things above that I suggested.

You will get the answers to your questions with a good qualified spinal surgeon. That is the appropriate place for your questions.

This forum, nor is any other forum for that matter, the appropriate place to ask for other members to interpret your MRI readings and tell you what they mean.

Good luck in your search for the answers from a good, qualified spine specialist.

Fran
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bev219
replied on March 23rd, 2009
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thank you!
i knew to all the medical knowledge and I sorry if i ask a stupid question. All i do is work and live pain ,sorry if i annoy anyone!
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tiaort
replied on April 9th, 2009
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In response to the person looking for mri interpretation I wanted to comment and give my opinion, Is that possible?
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fridge2305
replied on July 13th, 2009
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Get an MRI Copy...!!
To the person looking for answers, I would like to make a quick statement if I can. I would recommend if possible for you to get a copy of the MRI in the event that you need to see a different Dr. I did this two years ago when I had an accident at work and WCB's so called specialist said it was 50/50 to operate and now 3 1/2 years later I just had surgery to install a nerve stimulator along my spinal cord to try and effect pain reduction on my left leg and small of my back. It has not worked and is now causing headaches and more pain than it is taking away. If they had fixed the problem by surgical means 6 months after the injury, I would be back at work and not being retrained for something I don't want to do. So get a copy and get a Dr. that will take the time and talk to you so you can understand just what the problem is and your options to reduce your pain. I know how you feel and you have my sympathy.

Good luck and don't give up, as medicine is making great strides in the area of the spine and lower back.

James
Canada
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kdlee
replied on July 15th, 2009
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I get a CD of every test I have made..I have
sets of MRI's and I carry them with me when I go see another doctor..I also look at them at home and pull up normal MRI films and abnormal films to see if I am anything like the others..It's amazing what you cna see..A second opionion came from what I saw and am glad I did..No, I can't read them but after awhile you can see if something really looks out of whack..I found a hairline fracture that was overlooked-just because I took the time..Doctors are in a hurry and can miss something..Don't be afraid to say I need a second opinion..
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rollar64
replied on July 15th, 2009
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good on you kdlee somtimes it is good to take things into your own hands and make an effort to understand these things yourself
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tiaort
replied on July 28th, 2009
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MRKDLEE MRI INTERPRETATION
kDLEE HI HOW DID YOU END UP BRINGING YOUR HYPOTHESIS OR INTERPRETATIONS TO WHOMEVER DID THE READING AND WAS IT A HASSLE IN ANYWAY. THANKS
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kdlee
replied on July 29th, 2009
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I took the CD with me and pointed it out to my PCP who had not seen the CD..She can't read them either but was able to see what I saw and made it to where I could see my Ortho. faster..Ortho in turn said yes and there you have it..

I pulled up normal film online and then already had my CD up and making each area small I kept viewing back and forth to see if I could see anything..It turned out to be a hairline fracture..There was a thin discoloration at slight angle that showed on mine as well as another one that was abnormal..Once I saw it several people looked and said what's that am I seeing something-they also found it on their own..
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tiaort
replied on July 29th, 2009
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KDLEE radiology mishaps
KDLee
the reason I ask is after reading your post. It was as if I were the one speaking. Honestly, for approximately 2 a half years I have been studying my MRI and CAT scan and x-rays, and I have found so many mistakes that have been overlooked it is really quite scary. However, you probably know the radiologist is top-secret : ) and nobody can get to him to ask any questions. That definitely got frustrating. As of yet. I have not been able to have anyone listen to me. As far as the CD interpretations were concerned thats why I asked My question. Perhaps we can exchange some images to see if the other can pick up the mistakes that were made. Either way it was a very nice post thank you for the quick response.
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