Because women aren't people like men. At least, that's the impression I've been getting from the majority of the prolife movement. They seem to think we're just breeding fodder and our futures mean nothing. How else could they justify elevating fetuses with rights that no born human being enjoys?

Because these aliens are actually trying to take over the world! They infiltrate some humans, causing what is known as "breeder-brain", and use them to force their evil designs on the unsuspecting population!

"Because these aliens are actually trying to take over the world! They infiltrate some humans, causing what is known as "breeder-brain", and use them to force their evil designs on the unsuspecting population! "

Gotta love those pro-life debating tactics. Sadly, Dark is quite right. If men had the ability to become pregnant, we wouldn't even be having this debate.

How could you tell her that if she has the baby she'll ruin her life? Many pregnant teenagers nowadays were born to teen moms themselves. You tel her the baby insude her will ruin her life how could you expect her to think she didn't ruin her mother's?

Best thing to do is let her decide what she will do and stay out of it.

And I totally agree, if men were the ones carrying babies the human race would have gone extinct long ago.

Cute.

You believe that it is best for the girl to decide for herself in a pregnancy situation (even if it resulted in abortion)? Couldn't agree more.

Yes, a lot of girls simply see being a teenage mother as all they are destined for anyway. Many of them have zero prospects anyway. They might as well get on the benefit bandwagon as soon as they can! They are not the ones whose lives are ruined by not aborting. It's the ones who have other goals and ambitions and prospects -- the ones who do not want to have a baby. But the anti-choice busybodies don't think these girls should be allowed to abort, even if they want to.

This isn't about whether or not they have prospects this is about trying to "justify" coerced abortions. If YOU think someone should abort STFU, if you think someone should have their baby STFU, let HER decide what she will do. If you don't, you become one of the very monsters who like to FORCE their ideas on others and shove their ideaology down the throats of pregnant vunerable girls or women who are trying to make the best decision for THEM.

Get on the benefit bandwagon? That's a very anti-baby thing to say. The insinuation that a baby's existence ruins lives by default is wrong. Having a baby means you'll have to get a job or will need money and for a lot of young girls it pushed them into being ambitious. There are adults on welfare with no children, ANY government money, loans and otherwise is welfare.

Maybe where you live there aren't 28 year old grandmothers, who have never had a job in their lives, and whose 14 year old daughter will never have a job in her life? Lucky you! I guess your taxes are lower than mine then!

No one has mentioned coerced abortions, ewxcept you. Where did this come from? The OP was talking about the exact opposite -- coerced non-abortion. This is about telling someone that an accidental, unwanted, unthinking splat in her uterus is more important than she is, if she doesn't want it, and would really much rather not be a pregnant teenager.

Careful -- falling off high horses can cause brain damage. Always wear a helmet! (Or is it too late for that?)

"Careful -- falling off high horses can cause brain damage. Always wear a helmet! (Or is it too late for that?) "

Not if your skull is thick enough.

Are you kidding me? I jumped on your insinuation that she SHOULD have an abortion and if she didnt it was irresponsible. If its her choice why would you place a persuasive argument in there, speciically one that is anti-baby if you ar eindeed not anti-baby?
No unfortunately living in one of the wealthiest counties in the country I pay a VERY high tax but living here is where you see ambition at its finest. People don't make excuses forwhy they fail or were sidetrack, they stop a new path, a new trail and keep on going. This seems to be a foreign idea to many.

Don't cran your neck too hard looking up at me and I promise not to step on you if I decide to ever step down. Deal?

Sorry, can't see any place where anyone said a girl should be forced to abort, or even encouraged. The question is, if someone sees their life will be ruined by staying pregnant, how could anyone say that their opinion is less important than the glob they want to abort. That is the question. Please point out exactly where you got any other notions, unless it's like the others you grab out of the ether and manipulate until it suits your point of view.

The very first post BY A MALE no less encourages an abortion. The only choice beign represented there is by the one without a womb of his own, the one who wouldn't be having the medical procedure called abortion in the first place.

The hypothetical was someone telling a teen girl to "throw her dreams away" by remaining pregnant. She is not individually represented as the one who made such claims, just that the GUY thinks the teen girl would stop going to school etc etc if she became pregnant. Like girls cant continue school when they become teen parents because they are somehow less than their teen male parent counterparts who do.

You're so stuck on the belief that baby=end of everything that you think its that way for everyone. it isn't. Liek I said, I've seen teen moms who have gone ahead, finished high school, finished college, finished grad school and leave their childless peers in their corporate successful dust. It happens, but when you tell a young girl that her life is over her encourage the mindset that women can't succeed once their bodies have used the very organ that makes them separate from men that they become less than their male counterparts what is she to beleive? She's to think that having a baby belittles her worth and I think thats an awful thing to say to a young girl. Tell her its more expensive than an abortion, tell herr its harder and more responsibility put on her over a longer period of time than having an abortion and that she has to consider what she would be getting herself into. But telling her she CANT have a future and be a mother is ridiculous. Outright ridiculous and either reflects anti-baby attitudes from a very personal (the father of the fetus) or political (all other outsiders) point of view.

Right, so you are reading this one as:
Girl: "I'm pregnant. What should I do?"
Commentator: "Don't destroy your life and hopes and dreams for the sake of a non-sentient being! Have an abortion!"

Whereas I was reading it as:

Girl: "Ack I'm pregnant! My life will be ruined! I had hopes and dreams that will be destroyed! I want an abortion!"
Commentator: "Your life and dreams and hopes are not important! That non-sentient occupant of your uterus is what matters now!"

I guess it all depends on the girl, her hopes and her dreams, and whether she regards them as ruined by staying pregnant.

What kind of multi-cullular organism? Another pro-choicer dehumanzing the unborn.

The worship of human DNA is something that I simply don't understand. 64 cells of human, 64 cells of chimpanzee, 64 cells of three-toed sloth? All pretty much of a muchness to me. Can you explain WHY it is so important to you to save every developing human?

Note -- this is not a snarky question. I really don't understand your reasoning, and I think it would be very interesting to know your rationale.

I think teenagers have unrealistic expectations when it comes to pregnancy and bearing children. A great deal of them assume that things will work out, that they'll simply drop out of school and get a job, or that they'll "save up". It doesn't occur to them that the majority of jobs available to teenagers are not high paying jobs, nor does it seem to occur to them exactly how expensive it is to survive on one's own, let alone while supporting a child.

Many of them also equate babysitting or a sister's child with "knowing what babies involve". Until you have your own that you are 100% responsible for, you don't have any idea how hard parenting is. This isn't something many teenagers are able to grasp though. You can't convince them that this is going to be HARD.

Too much tv, too much daydreaming, not enough reality. By the time reality hits, it's too late and they're in the soup with an innocent child dependent on them.

A developing human is more than just DNA. Especially when there is a heartbeat.

Our gender is even determined at conception. Everything is actually. Sometimes things go wrong. But, many humans are born "imperfect" and that is what makes us unique.

It is NOT a worship of human DNA. It is respecting human life in the unborn state. Is it worship to try to prevent death in born women, men, and children? I am against killing the born no matter who they are(I'm not talking about self-defense here). Does that mean I worship both born AND unborn human DNA? Geez.

Your last sentence says it all. I would not tell a girl what to do but encourage her to do what she chooses to do because she should trust in her ability to decide what to do with her body and her life. Becoming a mature adult depends on her ability to do this and I would encourage. However, playing mind games like insinuating that pregnancy is BAD BAD BAD and will ruin your life when that isn't even where her head is on this is wrong, its coercion, especially when she is coming to you for advice. I would say the same thing if she was pregnant and some pro-lifer told her that she would be a horrible person if she had an abortion or only crazy sl*tbuckets had abortions.