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Q: HIV transmission risk blood test
asked by: worriedinsingapore on March 21st, 2008
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Hi,
I recently had a health checkup and there was a blood test. I noticed that the nurse who took the blood test, used a new syringe and needle. After taking the blood she put pressure on the point with cotton wool and I noticed it was bleeding quite badly but she bandaged me and I left. When the next guy in line came, I noticed that she took new syringe and needle but did not change her gloves. I remember that I was bleeding and its likely to happen again and also the ones before me. I confronted her as to why she is not changing the gloves. She said its not a requirement. I wanted to report it to her superior but I was too horrified with the realisation that I could have got infected with HIV or other diseases because she did not change the gloves before attending to me. Please let me know if it is possible to have HIV transmission by this way. If necessary, after how long should I take a HIV test. Please let me know. Thanks for the help
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Muthoni
replied on March 21st, 2008
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Gloves must be changed between patients.
It really is hygienic.

What I know is that HIV dies seconds after it hits the air.

Good for you for confronting the nurse. We need more people like you.

I don't think you got infected with HIV but if you are worried, wait three months from the point of supposed infection for an accurate HIV test.

All the best and take good care.

Muthoni (Mson)
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homerx
replied on March 21st, 2008
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HIV dies as soon as air hits it so the gloves may have not been fresh but the risk of getting HIV from them are zero.. but like Mson said, if you are worried then it never hurts to get tested just for peace of mind...
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worriedauzzi
replied on March 23rd, 2008
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hiv does NOT die seconds after hitting the air, in fact it can be alive for up to 24hours. My advise is get checked! My uncle is a scientist and researches the HIV virus. He and 28 other people were all researching the virus ... 3 became infected with HIV. It got immediatly dismissed. The reality is there is a great number of people out there who do have HIV and AIDS and have no idea how they caught it. There are virgins who have never done anything that are infected and nobody can figure out why. But the public is not told of this because that would frighten everybody even more so. I think that is terrible that she did not change her gloves and you should talk to her boss. However in society because many people believe you can only get it by blood and semen less caution is taken. If that were the only way you could catch it 4% of the population who do have it and have no idea how would not be so.
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Muthoni
replied on March 23rd, 2008
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Sorry to hear about those who got infected researching AIDS
In open air, HIV can live for 30 seconds to a minute. In a media like blood or other liquid exposed to air it will live for 2-5 minutes, In perfect lab conditions the virus will live for 20 to 40 minutes. HIV cannot live on its own outside the body.
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homerx
replied on March 23rd, 2008
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worriedauzzi, your information is incorrect,sorry but that is not true and as a moderator on this site I can not allow you to post negative or false information about the transmition of HIV/AIDS. Please do not post false information about the way that HIV is spread or the time table in which HIV can survive. Do not frighten people with false information.
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worriedinsingapore
replied on March 24th, 2008
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Thanks homerx
I had quite a worried disturbed night's sleep after seeing the post from worriedauzzi. I have been able to breathe better with the responses from homerx and Muthoni. What worries most is that I am unable to continue with normal relationship with my wife with the fear of infecting her. She is too innocent and pure and the last thing that I can think is infecting her with HIV!
Anyway, thanks to worriedauzzi for your effort to answer the question. I am really sorry to hear about the researchers. Only bit of reasoning that I am unable to find logical is that you say there are 4% who have no clue how they got HIV. Which means anybody on the street has a similar chance as me to get HIV. But I am specific about the exposure and asking to find out if it is a really risky exposure. There is little difference between the two subjects discussed.

Thanks to all again
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Muthoni
replied on March 25th, 2008
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Re: Thanks homerx
worriedinsingapore wrote:
She is too innocent and pure and the last thing that I can think is infecting her with HIV!


You are a kind soul. Do you have HIV? If you don't, there is no way you can give it to your wife.

I hope that is clear. You can't give what you don't have.
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worriedauzzi
replied on March 26th, 2008
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When posting that I expected people to tell me that it is un true as that is the public's view as researchers don't want to alarm people and have people extreamly worried. I do understand that but please don't say "you are wrong" ... you are not a scientist and have not done research and therefore have only the information publicly provided to go on. In normal circumstances yes it is spread by things like sex and what not but there is a percentage of people who do have it and have no idea why. That I am afraid is a fact. I am not saying that I know everything about the disease as I do not and do not wish to study it, but I do know people who have done study on HIV and I know people currently studying it in the lab. I am sorry to frighten you worriedinsingapore but I do think that the real statistics should be known and if it were legal I would photo copy reports from the lab onto here so that I wouldn't get called a lier. You have to realise that as the public you are not told everything in fact only things that leak out into the media and are then written about. The disease is contagious and the fact that a number of scientists did contract it in a 49month case study where they were wearing gloves and masks proves that there are infact other ways of catching this disease that the public is not aware of.
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worriedinsingapore
replied on March 26th, 2008
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Hi Muthoni,
Nah, I dont have HIV but thats what the worry is all about. After exposure it takes 3 months to test it right? So, thats the time when I am unable to get my mind to to believe all is ok.

Actually, I am not paranoid about HIV per se. Even one day if I get it through some freak event like the one I have mentioned, I can accept it.I am quite inspired to see all the HIV positive people who live life with so much meaning and passion, oftentimes their lives seem to have much more meaning to themselves and others. Only thing that really cripples my mind and stiffles my heart is the worry that if at all I get infected and not know about it for 3 months, I will put my wife at risk.

Thanks
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homerx
replied on March 26th, 2008
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worriedinsingapore...great attitude!!! Play safe with your wife until you get tested.
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Muthoni
replied on March 26th, 2008
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worriedauzzi wrote:
When posting that I expected people to tell me that it is un true as that is the public's view as researchers don't want to alarm people and have people extreamly worried. I do understand that but please don't say "you are wrong" ... you are not a scientist and have not done research and therefore have only the information publicly provided to go on. In normal circumstances yes it is spread by things like sex and what not but there is a percentage of people who do have it and have no idea why. That I am afraid is a fact. I am not saying that I know everything about the disease as I do not and do not wish to study it, but I do know people who have done study on HIV and I know people currently studying it in the lab. I am sorry to frighten you worriedinsingapore but I do think that the real statistics should be known and if it were legal I would photo copy reports from the lab onto here so that I wouldn't get called a lier. You have to realise that as the public you are not told everything in fact only things that leak out into the media and are then written about. The disease is contagious and the fact that a number of scientists did contract it in a 49month case study where they were wearing gloves and masks proves that there are infact other ways of catching this disease that the public is not aware of.


What I know is that HIV is spread through unprotected sex, sharing dirty needles, child birth and breast feeding. There has to be a fluid high in HIV eg sperm, vaginal fluids, breast milk and blood. There MUST be a way into the bloodstream. If people are claiming they don't know how they got it, I don't believe them. If I were you I would do anything possible not to be called a liar. I would post the REAL statistics to support my story. I wouldn't care that is was not legal. If I were you I would NOT go writing about things in which I cannot support myself. It is like gossip to me.You like to spread fear but you are not getting to me. I wouldn't just scare people like that...I have had the virus for almost 15 years that I know of and none of my family members got from me through your bogus announcement ways.

Just give it up or post those statistics. Don't go halfway, go all the way. Give us the full information. The fact that people work in the HIV/AIDS lab with gloves and masks does not mean that they do not have unprotected sex and sharing needles. A human being is a human being.

There is a percentage of people who have HIV and don't know they have it. Those are a real danger. Is that who you are talking about? I think you have got the statics mixed up.

"We know that there are about 1.1 million Americans infected with HIV. And we know that about 25 percent of them don't know that they're infected," Brian Pence, an epidemiologist at Duke University in Durham, North Carolina
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homerx
replied on March 26th, 2008
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I second that ...put up or shut up.
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Mabel
replied on March 26th, 2008
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worriedauzzi wrote:
When posting that I expected people to tell me that it is un true as that is the public's view as researchers don't want to alarm people and have people extreamly worried. I do understand that but please don't say "you are wrong" ... you are not a scientist and have not done research and therefore have only the information publicly provided to go on. In normal circumstances yes it is spread by things like sex and what not but there is a percentage of people who do have it and have no idea why. That I am afraid is a fact. I am not saying that I know everything about the disease as I do not and do not wish to study it, but I do know people who have done study on HIV and I know people currently studying it in the lab. I am sorry to frighten you worriedinsingapore but I do think that the real statistics should be known and if it were legal I would photo copy reports from the lab onto here so that I wouldn't get called a lier. You have to realise that as the public you are not told everything in fact only things that leak out into the media and are then written about. The disease is contagious and the fact that a number of scientists did contract it in a 49month case study where they were wearing gloves and masks proves that there are infact other ways of catching this disease that the public is not aware of.


Are you a scientist? How much hands on research have you done yourself?

Please post reliable resources for your findings.
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Muthoni
replied on March 26th, 2008
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worriedinsingapore wrote:
Hi Muthoni,
Nah, I dont have HIV but thats what the worry is all about. After exposure it takes 3 months to test it right? So, thats the time when I am unable to get my mind to to believe all is ok.

Actually, I am not paranoid about HIV per se. Even one day if I get it through some freak event like the one I have mentioned, I can accept it.I am quite inspired to see all the HIV positive people who live life with so much meaning and passion, oftentimes their lives seem to have much more meaning to themselves and others. Only thing that really cripples my mind and stiffles my heart is the worry that if at all I get infected and not know about it for 3 months, I will put my wife at risk.

Thanks


That's right, to get a really accurate HIV test, you have to wait three months from the point of exposure. You may also do the rapid test but I am old fashioned. I like to go with a blood test.

I am glad you are noticing that we are living and not dying from the virus. We have had to sort a lot of things in our minds before our time. Some people make through the hard times and some people die early. It is a tough journey which can at times be lonely.

Do like Homerx said. Explain to your sweetheart what happened at the lab. The likelihood of you being infected mbae HIV in the circumstances you explained are NIL. For your peace of mind, get tested. And keep your head up high... Please let us know how you are doing.

Love
Muthoni (Mson)
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homerx
replied on April 1st, 2008
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The human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) may be spread by the following:

* Intimate sexual contact
* The use of contaminated needles and syringes
* Contaminated blood transfusions and blood products

The virus may also spread through the placenta from the mother to her developing baby. It is rarely spread through breastfeeding.

People who become infected with HIV may have no symptoms for up to 10 years, but they can still pass the infection to others. After being exposed to the virus, blood tests results change from HIV negative to HIV positive usually within 3 months.

This info is from CDC...notice, toothbrush usage is not a risk factor.
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