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HIV through oral?
Posted: 05-21-08 17:42pm
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I was recently in the Philippines and a
friend of mine who lives there took me to
a bar that had CSW's. I really did not
know what I was in for, and next thing I
know my friend had 4 girls giving me oral
at the same time. As a man, I made a
mistake and couldn't say no. Afterwards I
noticed that I had a small 1/2 inch brush
burn on the underside of my penis from
when one of the girls was rubbing against
it earlier with her hand. There was
absolutely no blood that was drawn, but it
was red and a bit raw as a little bit of
skin was missing. My friend assures me
that I have nothing to worry about and
that the girls are tested regulary at the
place we were at. They were very clean
(ie wiping me off with a towel that
smelled like it had alcohol on it when
they switched up between each other). Am
I at a high risk? I'm a bit nervous. I
did see that that the Philippines has a
very low HIV rate...something like 0.1%.
I try to be safe always and know oral is
typically a very low risk activity because
saliva is not infectous like blood, but
having the small cut is starting to make
me freak out. What if one of the girls
had a cut in their mouth or something? Am
I being paranoid for no reason? Thank you
all very much for the input
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Posted: 05-21-08 17:49pm
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If one of the girls had a cut in her mouth
then she could transfer HIV to you if she
has it. Get tested if you are really
concerned. The chances are very slim but
it could happen that way. If there was
even a remote chance with a sex worker you
may want to consider getting tested.
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Posted: 05-21-08 18:03pm
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Thanks for the feedback. I'll get tested
in 3 months. I'm just worried until then
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Posted: 05-21-08 18:16pm
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While you wait for three months, find
other things to do to keep you busy. All
the best and please take good care.
Always
Muthoni (Mson)
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Posted: 05-22-08 06:28am
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Yes I'll try and keep busy. I'll probably
get tested at 1 month first just to keep
my nerves calm. It was a stupid mistake.
Do you think I am high risk or are my
chances pretty slim and most likely have
nothing to worry about?
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Posted: 05-22-08 10:00am
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I think the chances are slim..what do you
think ,Mson??
I would think it would be hard to pass the
virus but not imposable...its a hard call.
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Posted: 05-22-08 12:06pm
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I grade this circumstance as low risk.
The writer was receiving oral sex
therefore coming in contact with saliva as
he said himself. If the saliva had
blood, then that is high risk. But we
don't know the standard of the oral
hygiene of the other performers. 
I am not being much help...
Always
Muthoni (Mson)
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Posted: 05-22-08 12:16pm
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Yes, you are. It is like you said...we
don't know the standard of the oral
hygiene of the other people...
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Posted: 05-22-08 16:32pm
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You are all a great help and I do
appreciate all the feedback! The one thing
I keep thinking is that my friend claims
that the girls all get regular testing and
have medical cards and that HIV rates are
so low in the Philippines that I have
nothing to worry about..especially since
they were wiping me off in between each
turn. Would it take a lot of blood mixed
with the saliva to infect? or could very
small traces do the job? I know it may
sound as if I'm being paranoid, but
actually I'm just asking a lot of
questions so I can learn from this
situation. One other small question, did
having a slight brush burn increase my
chances greatly or not so much since the
virus could have just entered my urethra?
Thank you all for the inpout once again
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Posted: 05-22-08 18:00pm
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Any amount of infected blood would cause
infection.
Because then you are not dealing with
saliva but blood. It is like pus, it does
not have enough HIV to infect. However
pus with blood, that changes everything.
For HIV to occur, one needs three things.
A fluid HIGH in HIV. This includes sex
fluids and blood. Blood has the highest
amount of HIV.
You need an activity and finally a way
into the bloodstream which can be a cut, a
slight brush burn, a tear, puncture or
sore.
I read this quote somewhere:-
"In males, the doorway for HIV into the
body may be very small wounds on the head
of the penis, the mucous membranes lining
the urethra (the "eye" of the penis is the
opening of the urethra), or the glands
which intersect the urethra at the base of
the penis."
Unless the urethra was wounded, infection
would not happen through it. The virus
looks for a way into the bloodstream. The
virus is very tiny and therefore it just
needs a tiny whatever the body provides,
to go through. If everything is intact,
infection will not occur.
It is like if somebody bathed in HIV+
blood. If they are intact, infection will
not occur.
The other person may have lots of virus
but if there is no entry point in the
partner, infection will NOT occur.
Strange but makes sense to me.
I am concerned about the slight brush burn
and the fact that we don't know about the
oral hygiene of the others.
You are learning a lot from this and no
matter what happens, you will be a
different person for it. Somethings
happen for a reason. For instance, HIV
brought me from Kenya to Canada. I am
looking for the positive in a hopeless
situation. If I didn't come here, I would
be dead.
When I gave birth to my late daughter
Jessy, my whole heart shifted to her. She
is all I thought about. Then she died and
I still continued to think about her until
her memorial in 2007 when I let her go.
She died so that I may know love even
more. I mourned her for 10 years.
Someone told me that I would know one day
why she died. It was also so that I may
serve better. With her around, I would
not have been able to concentrate on
anything I did. She was in Kenya and I
was here. It ate me. I could not keep a
relationship I was so angry. She died so
that I could look at myself.
Sounds crazy but deep inside I know that
her time had come. I didn't think we were
going to last very long. Coming to Canada
saved me.
At one time, you will be able to know why
all this is happening to you.
How is the burn now?
Please keep your sanity and I admire you
for coming here to share and look for
answers. That spells brave.
All the best
Muthoni (Mson)
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Posted: 05-23-08 12:42pm
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Thank you very much for all of the
information. I am learning a lot and will
be changed for the better. As far as the
brush burn, it was not near the head of
thmy penis more in the middle of the shaft
on the underside and very light and never
even scabbed (it never bled to begin with
it was just a tad bit raw). It was
totally healed in about a day and a half.
To me it seems that one would have the
same chance of infection through the
urethra as they would through a small cut
since both allow openings for
transmission. On a side note, the things
that are keeping my mind at ease are after
thinking about the situation and
researching a bit are:
1. My friend telling me that they are
tested regulary for all STD's
2. There are very few documentred cases of
HIV through receiving oral
3. They were very clean girls during the
process as they wiped me off with an
alcohol towel every time they switched
between each other.
4. Philippine HIV rate is 0.1% and nealy
40-50% of those infected are MSM.
5. Out of the 4 girls, 1 of them would
first and foremost have to have HIV, then
they would have to also have traces of
blood in their mouth. What are the odds
of anyone having blood in their mouth? It
can happen, but is it really common?
6. Girls in a place as I was would
hopefully have good oral hygeine and know
if they were bleeding from the mouth as
that would also increase their chances of
gettin an infection.
I could be way off base with all of these
reasons, but hopefully for now they keep
my mind at bay. I know you can never
accurately estimate transmission chances,
but does it seem the odds are still in my
favor? I really appreciate everyones help
here. Thank you
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Posted: 05-23-08 14:17pm
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I think the odds are in your favor for
testing negative for HIV. Take that as a
sign from God or whatever you believe in
to be very careful in the future..i would
hate to have you come back here with bad
news some day so take care to take care of
yourself...after all, you are what is most
important.
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Posted: 05-26-08 10:36am
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| homerx
wrote: | | I think the odds are in your
favor for testing negative for HIV. Take
that as a sign from God or whatever you
believe in to be very careful in the
future..i would hate to have you come back
here with bad news some day so take care
to take care of yourself...after all, you
are what is most
important. |
Yes if everything works out I am seriously
going to work on changing my thinking.
I'm tired of worrying about things that
were totally my fault and could have been
prevented. Get this though, I was trying
to be safe by only having oral...when I
could have easily had intercourse. Funny
how this did not work out the right way to
keep my nerves calm. I'll keep having
faith and hopefully everything works out
for the best.
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Posted: 05-27-08 10:24am
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It will work out for the best. And
remember in the future that you can be
creative, there are other sexual things
you can do besides oral, anal and vaginal
sex. There is lotions and massage and
mutual masturbating and rubbing and
hugging and kissing and massage and all
kids of fun things that are safe...be
creative and use your imagination but
always...always be safe.
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Posted: 06-26-08 06:24am
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I went to a clinic and had a rapid test
done at 40 days. It came back negative,
however, the lady at the clinic said that
no detectable antibodies will show until
atleast 3 months. Should I disregard this
test...or is it a pretty good indicator?
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Posted: 06-26-08 12:20pm
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The rapid tests these days are said to be
accurate but I am old fashioned. I prefer
the blood test results.
If you still haven't found peace of mind,
you may consider a blood test.
What do you think about that?
Always
Muthoni (Mson)
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Posted: 06-27-08 08:48am
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I'm not questioning the rapid test
effectiveness. I more so am questioning
the 40 days. Is this a good indicator at
nearly 6 weeks from exposure?
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Posted: 06-27-08 13:24pm
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most say 90 days is best.
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