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Q: GAYS CAN MARRY IN CALIFORNIA NOW!!!
asked by: homerx on May 16th, 2008
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From The Washington Post
SACRAMENTO, Sept. 6 -- The California Assembly voted Tuesday to allow gay and lesbian couples to marry, making the state's legislature the first in the nation to deliberately approve same-sex marriages and handing a political hot potato to an already beleaguered Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger (R).

After a vehement floor debate in which legislators quoted the Pledge of Allegiance and accused each other of abusing moral principles, the state Assembly passed the Religious Freedom and Civil Marriage Protection Act, which recasts the definition of marriage as between "two persons," not between a man and a woman. The state Senate passed the bill last week.


"There are moments in the history of any movement when the corner is turned," said Geoff Kors, the executive director of Equality California, a gay rights group. "This is it. This is the tipping point."

Advocates of the bill, including Christine Chavez-Delgado, granddaughter of Cesar Chavez and an organizer of the United Farm Workers of America, and Willie L. Brown, former mayor of San Francisco, argued that the bill fit into California's sense of itself as a trendsetter for the rest of the country. In 1948, California's Supreme Court became the first state court to strike down a law prohibiting interracial marriage. And California in 1976 was among the first states to repeal sodomy statues.

But opponents, including conservative Republicans, have argued that the law must be stopped in the nation's most populous state because it constitutes another assault on the sanctity of the family. Californians passed a defense-of-marriage act defining marriage as between a man and a woman in 2000, and the state, which mixes freewheeling Marin County with culturally conservative Orange County, has emerged as a front line in the battle over the bedroom ever since.

"Marriage should be between a man and a woman, end of story. Next issue," insisted Assemblyman Dennis Mountjoy (R-Monrovia). "It's not about civil rights or personal rights, it's about acceptance. They want to be accepted as normal. They are not normal."

Tuesday's 41 to 35 vote amounted to more difficult news for Schwarzenegger, the Republican actor-turned-politician who roared into Sacramento on the back of a recall election in 2003 promising fundamental change. Schwarzenegger, who has taken on teachers, nurses and other state workers, has seen his popularity lag in recent months. A Field Poll of registered voters early this month put the governor's approval rating at 36 percent -- an all-time low.

If he vetoes the bill, Schwarzenegger will retain the support of his GOP base, which he needs in a special election he has called for November. But he could also alienate many Democrats who voted for him and whose backing he still covets. In the special election, Schwarzenegger is asking voters to grant him more budget-cutting power, to block gerrymandering by placing legislative redistricting in the hands of retired judges and to make public school teachers work five years instead of two before they earn tenure.

"This puts Schwarzenegger on the hot seat," said Bruce Cain, a professor of political science at University of California at Berkeley, who predicted the governor would veto the bill. "I think it's a slam-dunk that he's going to have to veto the bill and hope that the anger in the gay community doesn't spill over into other groups."

Other political strategists, however, said Tuesday's vote would force Schwarzenegger to parse his own personal mix of fiscal conservatism and liberal social views. As a former Hollywood star, he hails from a social milieu where gay men and women occupy key positions, and he has spoken glowingly about his friendships with people of all sexual orientations.

"I think the governor's going to be in a difficult position, because during the campaign his positions were ambiguous on the issue," said Arnold Steinberg, a political strategist who generally works with Republicans.

Schwarzenegger supports domestic partnerships but opposes same-sex marriage, a spokesman for the governor said.

The legislature's move goes further than other states, such as Vermont and Connecticut, which have passed legislation allowing more strictly defined "civil unions." And it differs from Massachusetts, the only state to grant full marriage rights to same-sex couples, because the Massachusetts regulations were passed by order of the state's courts, which ruled that a ban on same-sex marriage was unconstitutional.

California is already one of the most gay-friendly states in the nation. Its domestic partnership legislation grants same-sex couples most of the benefits of married couples except a few, such as the right to jointly file income tax returns, the right to bring a foreign partner into the United States and right to pass Social Security benefits on to a spouse. So far, more than 30,000 same-sex couples are registered in California as domestic partners.

The Assembly members were aware that they were making history, and their debate Tuesday night -- to a packed gallery -- focused on whether they should vote their conscience or represent the wishes of their constituents. Slavery, the Bible and the Pledge of Allegiance were wielded by both sides in a piece of political theater rarely seen in Sacramento.

"There are a handful of issues where history will record where we were. This is one of them," said Thomas J. Umberg (D-Anaheim), who had abstained in a vote on the issue in June but voted yes on Tuesday night.

"History will record that you betrayed your constituents and their moral and ethical values," countered Jay LaSuer, his Republican counterpart from La Mesa.
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replied on May 20th, 2008
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"Marriage should be between a man and a woman, end of story. Next issue," insisted Assemblyman Dennis Mountjoy (R-Monrovia). "It's not about civil rights or personal rights, it's about acceptance. They want to be accepted as normal. They are not normal."

Great debating abilities this man has. *rolls eyes*.

Though I'm glad this change is blooming, I think Schwarzy will veto. He's in too sticky a situation not to if he wants to save his political career.
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Rosie H
replied on May 20th, 2008
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Wow that is awesome to hear and see.

WHOOOO HOOOO !!!!!!
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homerx
replied on May 20th, 2008
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I saw on the news that a Senate vote can not be vetoed..?
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jessamyn
replied on May 20th, 2008
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I know! I am a straight, single mom. But in full support. I live in San Diego, CA and its been all over he news! Rock on!
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homerx
replied on May 20th, 2008
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jessamyn, more straight people like you please!!! Very Happy Very Happy voices wave
P.S. I may be gay but I know a beautiful girl when I see one and you are gorgeous!!! respect
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jessamyn
replied on May 20th, 2008
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Aww thank you, seriously its ridiculous, whose business is it anyway? Love is love no matter what. My moms tattoo artist was with his partner for 36 years and he died... that should just as much be justified as a marriage! Who decided they get to play god and principal on relationships? ya know?


I actually signed up to be a surrogate mom for a gay couple... Since I know the chances of becoming parents are so minimized. I dont have a coupel lined up... but yeah
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homerx
replied on May 20th, 2008
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jessamyn wrote:
Aww thank you, seriously its ridiculous, whose business is it anyway? Love is love no matter what. My moms tattoo artist was with his partner for 36 years and he died... that should just as much be justified as a marriage! Who decided they get to play god and principal on relationships? ya know?


I actually signed up to be a surrogate mom for a gay couple... Since I know the chances of becoming parents are so minimized. I dont have a coupel lined up... but yeah
That is really cool.. we really need more people like you on this planet...I mean that! Smile
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Fairy Godmother
replied on May 20th, 2008
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I agree
I totally agree with jessamyn. Who has the right to judge another? What a very unselfish act for you to offer becomming a surrogate Mother to a gay couple. You are one very special person. I know quiet a few couples, who are NOT married, but might as well be.....whats a piece of paper? Live and let live.... and to be quiet honest, I know of 2 different couples (same sex) who would make better parents than a "MOMMY/DADDY" couple. There are so many children in this world already who could use parents......and if that means two females to love this child or two males......that child would at least know what LOVE is.........I am beginning to wonder if marriage vows even have a meaning anymore. Read the paper....people get married and divorced in the same week. Like I said, live and let live!
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replied on May 20th, 2008
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Re: I agree
Fairy*Godmother wrote:
I am beginning to wonder if marriage vows even have a meaning anymore. Read the paper....people get married and divorced in the same week. Like I said, live and let live!



OMG seriously?!?! so its okay to let a heterosexual couple that have known each other for 2 hours and are wearing bikinis get drunk and married in some hut in Vegas, but not a gay couple who are in love with a family and have been together since their teens?
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replied on May 20th, 2008
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I did a report on marriage and how long and how often some celebrities were married and stayed married...it was amazingly shallow...married for 2 days or 3 months or 23 hours, divorced and remarried within 6 months only to do the same thing over and over again. The sanctity of marriage is love, not male and female or male and male or female and female. I appreciate the open minded love of jessamyn and Fairy*Godmother is one of my idols...I so admire you, Fairy*Godmother!!!!
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Fairy Godmother
replied on May 20th, 2008
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Homerx, I admire you too sweetie. You are pure at heart and have such a spirited soul! People in this world need to learn to accept others for who they are. God made individuals and he made each of us different.........to each his/her own. If someone does not agree with something,they should keep it to themselves. Mama always said,"if ya can't say somethin nice, don't say nuthin at all"...........I have bout bit my tongue off on several occasions taking up for others..............and will continue to do so.......I one day may be known as the TONGUE-LESS Fairy*Godmother! HUGS*******************
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homerx
replied on May 21st, 2008
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Laughing Laughing Laughing you R right,Fairy*Godmother, I never understood why any one else carried about who I was or wasn't loving!!! I know I don't care if some one is loving some one else ... people are busy bodies and and have to stur up trouble. I saw on TV last night there is some fundamental right wing republican minister who is having a major fit over this. Ands the weird thing is, I could swear he was gay! He sure acted and spoke and looked the part. I think he may protest a little too much if you know what I mean. Rolling Eyes
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coliejo
replied on May 21st, 2008
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Marrige should be for anyone who loves each other, not just man and woman. Gays should have the same rights as everyone else. I saw where Eleen Degeneres and Potia de rossi are going to be getting married now, she announced it on her show! i think it is so great! I am also straight and have a boyfriend but i know if someone took away my right to do something as big in my life as get married, i would be so hurt and upset. I can only imagine not having a right like that, hopefully now that California has legalized gay marrige, so will many other places.

I was wondering if there were any gays out there planning to get married now that it is legal in Cali?
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homerx
replied on May 21st, 2008
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Once we can get back to Cali we R considering it. But only for the legal benefits...we R married in my heart already...going on 15 years now...where did the time go???? Wink
Since I live in Texas I know this state will be one of the last ones to accept gay marriage...2 many "good old boy red necks" here...its very ultra right wing religious conservative here...but progress is always slow...forward we go! And like with women having the right to vote and interracial marriage, it will come eventually....we just have to be patient and vote and know that equal rights for all means just that...for all! Thanks,coliejo...you rock!
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replied on May 21st, 2008
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thanks homer you rock too cartwheel , wow 15 years! that is a big acccomplishment, most straight couples will never make it that long (or other gay couples for that matter) congrats on that! I guess that that point it would just feel like you were married. marrige really is jsut a peice of paper and the legal benefitslike you were talking about. if you feel like you are married thats all that matters Very Happy I'm sure you guys will be so happy together either way, married or not. You seem like you would to me anyway respect

We can only go forward, as a nation, from here, this is a big step in the right direction though. I could unfortunatley see Texas as on eof the last states to accept gay marriage. Lets all continue to fight for it, if not only the gays out there but everyone who believes in the cause join together, i think change will come much faster, its just too bad there are so many close minded people out there....
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homerx
replied on May 21st, 2008
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Right On!
Yeah, Ricky said he doesn't want to get married and neither do I, I just want to be able to feel safe if something happens like hospital or some unexpected tragedy...I want to make sure my family or his family cant come and take away all that we have worked for together as a couple. I have heard horror stories of couples who were together 20 years, one dies and the family of the deceased comes and takes everything including half the house and furniture and cars, etc...with no regard to the relationship that the two had.
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Maddie34
replied on May 21st, 2008
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Finally some acceptance where really counts!
It's about darn time!
It's only a matter of time before the rest of the country plays catch up. Very Happy
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Georgia59
replied on May 21st, 2008
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I heard that the people have to vote on it- what's with that?
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replied on May 21st, 2008
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What Is Marriage?
Marriage is the coming together of two people who love each other and chose to seal their love and hope, their futures together with the support of family and friends in a public way of stepping forward to say, yes, we make this committment.

The happiest day of my life was when I married Walter with love. I was not even touching the ground. I was above it.

It is amazing that some busy bodies as Homer said, don't have enough time on their hands except to stir up trouble. You are right Homer. A person is who they are. Just because you are standing up and preaching, doesn't make you necessarily a person above reproach. I can always tell a person's sexual orientation the moment I lay eyes on them, or even hear their voice. It is just part of who we are. Like our physical attributes. It is all part of the package which makes up our hearts, bodies and souls.

If you and Ricky change your minds, you know where to find me.

Love MDSO,

Bobbie yes yes yes
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