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Q: Gastric bypass info
asked by: floydfan04240 on November 4th, 2009
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I CAN NOT BELIEVE THE AMOUNT OF IGNORANCE I SEE ON THIS WEBSITE ABOUT GASTRIC BYPASS! Even from those who've already had it! Do your doctors teach you NOTHING? I'm SO glad I have a doctor that educated me about EVERYTHING ahead of time.
A) you have pain on your left side because that's where they used the instruments, and they manipulate them pretty roughly during the procedure.
B) you get sick and vomit because you're eating the wrong things, or eating too soon after surgery! High fat and high sugar foods will cause what is called "dumping syndrome"
C) There are FIVE stages of re-introducing food to your diet. The first being clear fluids while in the hospital, second is protein shakes, milk, jello, thinned down puddings and yogurts, third is soft and pureed foods such as scrambled eggs, yogurt, cottage cheese, mashed potatoes, squash, pureed meats, etc. Fourth introduces finely chopped meats, fish peeled potatoes, crackers, well done toast, canned fruits in light syrup, lean ground meats, beans, etc. Fifth stage introduces everything else, but warns that some foods can still cause some irritation such as high fat gravies, bbq sauces, etc.
D) the limit on the grams of sugar allowed is FIVE! If your food or candy has more than FIVE grams of sugar per serving, then it's a safe bet that you will vomit, get diarrhea, cramping, sweating, etc. It's called DUMPING SYNDROME.

I'm pretty sure there are OTHER issues out there I haven't read yet, but for crap sakes get educated about your body and what you just had done to it...you're not going to be successful at your weight loss if you don't start learning about your body and the things you put into it!
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gmoorephx
replied on November 5th, 2009
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Well this isn't so in my case yeah...i'm only 16 and all. But i'll make it so people'll come in here and read this. it's got some info that might help someone.
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Noneedtoberude
replied on November 8th, 2009
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I agree with what's been said here about getting informed, I just find you are quite rude in the way you say it. Some of the things you said are a little off, as well. Such as only having clear fluids after surgery while in the hospital. After my surgery, the nurse gave me half of a sugar free RED popsicle. You said that you are allowed only 5 grams of sugar per serving. That is wrong. It should be no more than 2 grams of "natural" sugars per serving. If you have more than that, you will start sweating and may huff and puff to breathe. Even something as simple as tomato soup will have too much sugar in it. You would actually be surprised at how good some of the sugar free stuff tastes and way less calories in it. You can still take pills, they just need to be crushed. Your hair will most likely get thinner so talk to your Dr. to get blood testing as something is low, probably your Iron. You need to be blood tested at least yearly anyways because the food you eat is not in your body long enough (as they have shortened your intestines) for you to keep most of the vitamins and minerals from it so, you will need to take vitamins (Centrum Forte) forever, most likely B12 in a fairly high dose (maybe even injections), and Iron pills. Any medications you may take or alcohol you drink will hit you harder and faster so, you should be prepared for that. Yes, you should definitely be informed and the hospital should give you a nice big thick book about most everything you need to know.
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Noneedtoberude
replied on November 9th, 2009
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Can you say "anger management"?

A little dramatic, wouldn't you say?

I did not "come on here guns cocked ready to fight about stuff...disagreeing and contradicting everything" you said. I did however, disagree with a couple things you said and I still stand by that. By the way, nice way to attack a surgeon once again with your misinformation. Anyways, don't bother replying, let eHealth deal with this. I seriously hope you don't really believe that they would "ban" me after all the ignorant posts you've put on. LOL. Good luck on your sugar buzz!
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Noneedtoberude
replied on November 9th, 2009
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I also feel that I must add to you, that my lying (according to you anyways, LOL) surgeon and his nutritionist inform all their patients that the sugars (the natural ones) that occur in fruit and fruit juices is called Fructose and it is ABSOLUTELY permitted to have a serving of these 'pure' fruits and fruit juices with high fructose contents sometimes reaching almost 40 grams without a possible dumping syndrome! It is not considered "cheating" as you have stated, to have such. In fact, Welch's 100% white grape juice has 37 grams of sugar per 240 mL serving and because these grams of sugar are from FRUCTOSE from the white grape juice concentrate, you should not have dumping syndrome. It's okay to eat high sugar fruits! You should know that and spread the word to the people who read this, after all, these fruits are now your NEW healthy desserts. Which is why I laughed my head off when you said that I wouldn't be able to eat anything. My options are basically limitless as long as I pay attention to sugar names and sugar content and fat intake/calories from fat. In fact, people who have had this surgery ARE still allowed to treat themselves to a treat at McDonald's rarely...but possible. They just need to choose from the lower fat kids meal section. It's all about choices. I chose my new life over being obese. I also choose to be a nice person instead of...well. People don't only look at your outside. Most people are more attracted to what's inside. You seem to have been blocking this out due to your former weight and the few who have ridiculed you for/about it.
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gmoorephx
replied on November 9th, 2009
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Floydfan, take a hint from noneedtoberude?
Even his name says it, theres no need to be rude...

EEK. Anger Managment?
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floydfan04240
replied on November 9th, 2009
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Can you say "Get over yourself"? You're not a psychiatrist, so don't tell me that I need anger management...I'm not the one that came on telling someone that they're "WRONG" or that they're "rude". I had no intention of insulting anyone or being rude to anyone...I was making an attempt to help these poor souls that have bad doctors that don't tell them anything. They DO exist you know. Yours might be decent and teach you the things you need to know to change your lifestyle, but not all doctors do. I have several friends who's doctor butchered them, didn't teach them anything, and as a result they ended up severely sick and mutilated! I NEVER want to see anyone have to go through that sort of thing, hence why I generalized the "ignorance" and didn't direct it at anyone specific. I could have copied down names and quoted people from the things I've seen on this web site, but I didn't. THAT would have been rude. I don't consider it rude to speak to people bluntly so they get the picture you're trying to get across the FIRST time instead of having to go back and forth explaining things again and again to them. The information I posted was not "wrong" as you stated, it's termed differently than you're used to seeing. Just because it's something you're not used to seeing doesn't make it wrong...and just because you're not used to the information others have been taught doesn't mean that they're INTENTIONALLY feeding wrong information, as you have accused me of doing. I do believe YOU were the one that couldn't chock it up to the fact that everyone's surgeon/doctor is different. I do believe YOU are the one making assumptions about what kind of person I am and my background. Did I attempt to call you a bad person by making statements such as "people don't only look at your outside...etc. etc."? No, I didn't. You don't know me from a hole in the wall, nor will you ever. I am a very wonderful, caring, compassionate person who volunteers in her community for those less fortunate. I give my time to counsel those who are grieving from having lost a relative to cancer, because I know what it's like, having lost MY mother to breast cancer when she was only 47. I didn't spend my teen years being a mother to my own mother, and dropping out of school to care for her to be called a bad person.
MY dietitians say no high sugar juices because of the possibility of dumping syndrome...I'd rather listen to them than take the chance...They recommend diet and light juices. The "cheating" I referred to was because I had it in a diet stage when I shouldn't have been eating fruit yet, not because of the sugar content. I do believe that YOU were the one that made this personal by insulting ME as a person who thinks they "know it all", when I never claimed to "know it all". I simply stated that I know what I'm talking about when it comes to Gastric Bypass Surgery. As I said before, I didn't spend A YEAR being trained nutritionally to turn around and be told that I don't know what I'm talking about. The amount of time and effort that I've put into this is about the equivalent of an Associates degree. I chose to get the Roux En Y surgery as opposed to the Lap Band because I educated myself as to the pros and cons, and preferred the success rate of the Roux En Y. I put myself through the pain of this surgery to be healthy and reduce my chances of getting cancers and other diseases, not just to look good, as, again, you have accused me of doing. If you were such a "good person" as you claim to be, then you'd stop and realize that YOUR experiences don't make you any more right or wrong than anyone else's experience makes them right or wrong. Everyone's experiences are their own, and everyone is taught something a little different than the next. And I'm sorry, but I've been taught that to avoid getting re-addicted to the things that caused obesity to begin with, things like McDonalds, BK, KFC, etc. should all be avoided at all costs. There is no indulging once in a while after this surgery if a person prefers success over the nastiness that is fast food. I've also been taught that high fat, and deep fried foods, in any amount, depending on a person's sensitivity can cause the dumping syndrome. So, it is a great generalization to say that everyone will be able to indulge now and then after their surgery! THAT is handing out false information to a crowd already at risk of failing their new lifestyle (since I already mentioned that this was my original intention because of things I had previously seen on this site). When I speak of the things I had seen on here, I mean people fresh out of surgery...a month later saying they've been eating at McDonalds! So, go ahead and disagree with me that they can eat that a month out of surgery, but I know better for MY LIFE and MY SUCCESS!
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Noneedtoberude
replied on November 9th, 2009
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Well, there you go being rude again! "AWWWW look, it recruited a buddy to back it up! How cute!" FYI, talking like that IS RUDE! I never said for people to go to Mc D's 1 month after surgery and eat fattening burgers and fries, did I? I'm referring to further down the road...you know, after the stomach heals and can hold the food down, haha. I didn't expect people would run to Mc. D's during their all liquid phase or their puree phase and I also said "rarely...but possible" and "from the low fat kids meals" and yes, they can do this rarely, they need to learn self-control at some point and everyone is on the go at some point and needs to stop to eat. The temptations are there...learn to refuse them not run from them, that only makes you want it more. It's all about choices, I think I already said that. Your initial post is telling people on here about eating fruit in light syrup, candy, high fat gravies and bbq sauces...not any better than Mc. D's and things people would keep at home and be tempted ALL the time with them. I found your initial comment came off as very rude to anyone who would come here to read it and I made that clear to you. YOU are the one who ATTACKED me and my surgeon and HIS team, calling him a liar and a malpractice Dr. Now, you turn around and twist that up and say "everyones surgeon/doctor is different" and "yours might be different and teach you the things you need to know to change your lifestyle". A few posts ago, you said my surgeon "LIED" to me and that you researched him and he has "many malpractice suits" and that YOUR surgeon is just the absolute bestest thing since sliced bread! You're telling people they cannot have any more than 5 grams of ANY kind of sugars...natural or added...THAT IS MISINFORMATION...because they can! Anybody knows that the less sugar and fat you eat the more weight you will lose but, you will still be successfull by having more than 5 grams per serving of certain sugars. Eating fruit or going over your professed "5 grams" is NOT cheating...THAT IS MISINFORMATION. These people are "allowed" and should feel good about themselves that they are eating a nice sweet banana rather than a box of chocolates! A glass of PURE fruit juice with 37 grams of natural sugar is okay...it's better than soda and you WILL still be successful plus it contains some of your very much needed vitamins. I didn't go on about knowing you or your situation but, you seem hellbent on being oh-so-right because you said you deserve it because you "have dealt with abusive people" like me all your life. I haven't abused you at all and at least I never called you an "OLD folgie"; "a republican"; "ignorant"; "uneducated"; come in here "to make yourself look good"; etc.; etc. The list goes on and on. Try going back and reading everything you have written again. Maybe if you read it enough times, you'll see just how rude and IGNORANT 'YOU' are! I also think you should apologize for the rude thing you said to my "buddy" gmoorephx and the RIDICULOUS ACCUSATIONS you made about Dr. Poplawski!
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floydfan04240
replied on November 9th, 2009
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Everything you post is exactly what you accuse me of...take a look in the mirror.
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Noneedtoberude
replied on November 10th, 2009
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"Everything you post is exactly what you accuse me of...take a look in the mirror."

Uh, yeah...riiiiiiight! It's all here in black and white so don't even go there! Point out where I was rude to you from the beginning. What by telling the truth to those who come in here that a couple of the things you initially said were "off" such as the "5 grams of sugar"? The candy? The fruits in light syrup? When I said that if you eat slower as recommended your body will give you early signs that it is in a dumping mode so that you can stop eating whatever is causing it when you FIRST start to sweat instead of getting to the vomitting stage? I find you are basically telling/scaring people that when they eat natural fruit, they are going to puke, have diarrhea and stomach cramps, "profuse sweating"...but, that's untrue. If they eat the candy on the other hand, with all the added sugar in it, yes, then that will happen. I don't believe I came in here, guns ablazing, calling you ignorant, uneducated, to get a basic education in biology/nature/refining process, "bet you didn't even finish school", "fool", OLD folgie, republican, saying that you ABUSE me, telling you your surgeon is a LIAR and has a bunch of malpractice suits against him and that there is no better surgeon than MY surgeon. That's just wrong and makes you look like a two year old. You keep going on and on about how you studied this stuff for a year and that you are right and everyone else is wrong but they are not all wrong. I think the people who come here looking for answers should be given the proper ones not just the things which suit YOU. You are not the only one who got "EDUCATED" about this stuff but you act like you are! If 5 grams or less of sugar is good for you then great but others can have more of certain sugars and still succeed...even you did (supposedly once) but then you preach "D) the limit on the grams of sugar allowed is FIVE! If your food or candy has more than FIVE grams of sugar per serving, then it's a safe bet that you will vomit, get diarrhea, cramping, sweating ,etc. It's called DUMPING SYNDROME."....FALSE AND MISLEADING, it is NOT "a safe bet", maybe at the very beginning when your stomach is first healing and getting used to the new diet but once you're on solids, that statement is FALSE! I'd love for you to tell me where I laughed at you. Although, I did laugh and told you so, about you saying I'd have "nothing to eat". YOU actually stated to me "you make me laugh. You're SO funny!" in your comment (the long one right above your "GIGGLES" comment). Right from the get-go, when I pointed out that yes, people should get informed but that a couple things you said were not right, you came at me with a "I'm so smart and you're so stupid. How dare you challenge me the smart one" mentality when all I said was that your initial comment sounded rude...and it does! You started a little forum here and the first words off your fingertips were "I CAN NOT BELIEVE THE AMOUNT OF IGNORANCE I SEE ON THIS WEBSITE ABOUT GASTRIC BYPASS! Even from those who've already had it! Do your doctors teach you NOTHING? I'm SO glad I have a doctor that educated me about EVERYTHING ahead of time." Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but, THAT is rudeness at it's finest! People come looking for info...not to be basically told they are stupid and "ignorant", ooops, sorry, "UNEDUCATED". I mean, if they were satisfied with the info they've been given before coming here, do you really think they'd be taking this crap from you? Maybe that is why my 'buddy' and I are the only ones who've been here...you've scared the others away thinking they are going to puke their guts out every time they eat fruit! Good advice in your last comment though, "had you taken the kind route" maybe other people would have read your initial comment if it were kind and said "thank you very much for the info" in reply to you. If others, myself included, had only taken the route introduced to us to begin with here (which was rudeness), there would be a heck of alot more action going on in here than there currently is. I'm not all high and mighty...not by a long shot and to say "all I was trying to do was assist the uneducated" makes people feel that you think they are stupid. Helping someone to understand is awesome but "assist the uneducated"..??
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