She can breed irresponsibly all she wants but nobody says we have to support her KEEPING the children once they're born if she can't feed them.

The octuplets case is pretty extreme (with mental health questions involved)-- and one does need to take the view that counselling should be involved, generally, to ask why someone is so desperate to have children that they will undergo some quite risky procedures (IVF usually involves ovary stimulation, and this can cause fatal reactions)...but hey, as long as they aren't expecting to be supported by the taxpayer, none of my business either way.

In the UK, of course, it IS my business as a taxpayer, since some IVF is done on the NHS, plus any resulting kid gets taxpayer-funded health, education, tax credits, family allowance payments, child trust fund payments, etc.

So unfortunately, it's HER body, MY money.

if the 13 yr old father and 15 yr old mother were investigated by police and social workers due to them having there baby and if they are fit parents and got away with this, i do not think that any one else, doing what octo-mom has done will be classed as "unfit parents" as long as they have tax payers money[welfare] supporting them, they are fine...
i disagree, but clearly if social service people let that slide, what wouuldnt they?

She can do what she wants but once you can't support you children and to that extent I think she needs to have them removed!

as long as there is welfare available out there, the children would be safe, because they would just make a quick stop to the welfare office, sign up, wait for your cheques and sit back and relax.

I will put it this way: I am all for my body, my choice, your body, your choice. But I draw the line at mental instability. Just as someone would not allow a drunk driver to get behind the wheel and a doctor would not allow an incapacitated person to make medical decisions, I think if you are wanting more than 3 embryos implanted in you during an IVF treatment and already have more than 3 kids(which is the standard by the way), then you should have a mental checkup. This lady is obviously not all there. She says she wants so many children because she was an only child and she craves what she missed out on. In other words, to fill a void. I don't care personally, its all said and done. But I feel sorry for her children. They are the ones that have to suffer with her selfishness. If I ever wanted to get an IVF, I would allow no more than 3 embryos to be implanted, make sure I was financially stable, mentally stable and had no more than 2 other mouths to feed. I might choose to selectively terminate if the eggs split into twins. I know my body and what it can handle. I know my mental limits, emotional limits and what I can handle there as well. For someone who had such a bad back injury that it disabled her from working and she was able to get on disability, its a wonder she was able to carry 8 fetuses so close to term. Makes me wonder if she was faking her injury.

I believe (and hope) that Octomom is a rare exception. While many people cringe at families like the Duggars who now have 18 kids, they don't tell them they can't have more kids, and they shouldn't. While I don't like what Octomom has done, as long as the kids are well cared for, I see no reason for the authorities to step in or for her to be preventented from having more. There are plenty of unstable and unloving parents that wish could be forcibly sterilized but I leave that to the proper authorities.
As the sixth of seven kids, I don't happen to think that parents can give enough love and attention to their children if they have more than five. There are not enough hours in the day to get that quality time with so many children. And you can forget about one-on-one time. So, while the children may suffer emotionally- as so many of us in smaller families did- I still don't think Octomom should be sterilized. Afterall, I have a nephew, an only child, that spent most of his life alone in his room while his parents got high and partied in the living room. So there are no guarantees for any child.

It is really common that of six kids..I was in walmart not so long ago and talked to this mexican lady with a baby and she said that baby was one of her six babies..just like Nadya so go figure. She sure wasn't working. I believe Nadya didn't intended for 8 just another more probably to keep living on welfare. Just like that lady I saw. Very common. Something should be done. I would say governemnt should just pay for X number of kids but then if they do that and women keep having more then there would be children dying of hunger and the such..

No, its very UNCOMMON to have 6 embryos implanted all at once in the uterus. The guidelines specify for certain ages, up to 4 embryos. Nadya was being selfish and wanted all 6 of her remaining embryos implanted because she did not want to "kill" them. Well, explain this...if they were frozen, which they were, to preserve them, then were they really "alive"? No. I fully belive that Nadya knew very well what she was doing. She wanted to fill the void she incurred as a single child and did so by selfishly deciding to bring more children than she could possibly handle alone, jobless, with mental illness (which I will not deny I think she has a bunch of mental probs), and no stable home environment. She knew the risks of having 6 embryos implanted, knew that the chances of twinning were low but not unheard of, knew of her success in her last IVF treatment, she knew what she was getting into. She said she did. Nothing should be done about this though. Nothing can be done until a woman proves she is unfit as a mother. I just hope these kids turn out okay and that Nadya understands how her selfishness could and probably will impact their futures and well being. It was her choice and unfortunately, her kids will be the ones to suffer.

I think the doctor needs held accountable for criminal behavior. It's her choice, and that's fine and grand, but now we have to look to what's best for the kids and I wouldn't penalize them (read: not support) for their mother's mental issues and the doctor's irresponsibility.

Welfare is not an acceptable way to support your children, it still results to irresponsibility.

I am the eldest of 6 kids and my mother didn't have time for, she would try but the youngers one kept her preoccupied.

Peoples tax dollars go to welfare, I don't care if you get pregnant but unless you plan on supporting yourself, you shouldn't be having kids. This just irritates me and NA 6 children is not normal, the average nowadays is 2-3 children!

I would like to know how she is going to cater to 14 children, I barely have time for two!

i agree diamondsz.
is not fair to the working class who work hard to support their families and then have to be taxed a portion of their hard earned money for welfare.

What's fair for the kids?

what is the octuplets case?

dorkiie_kid, what planet have you been on??? Do a search on "Octuplet mom" to get up to speed.

The U.S. doesn't have the same welfare system as the U.K. The U.K. welfare system is more forgiving, to the outrage of many British citizens.

She DID intend on having multiples.

Birch, at this point, I don't think anything will be fair to the kids. Sadly.

whats different about it?
i live in canada, and that money comes from tax payers money.