Abortion Debate Forum - Empathy and Abortion?

NeutralUsername

replied on October 3rd, 2008

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"9.7 Billion children die before the age of 5
Why is that?
So you put a kid up for adoption for it to die?
What kind of society condones that?"

Um, so you're saying all these kids who die were adopted!? What are you implying about adoptive parents? What are you implying about every parent who has put up a child for adoption?

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diamondsz

replied on October 3rd, 2008

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NeutralUsername wrote:

"9.7 Billion children die before the age of 5
Why is that?
So you put a kid up for adoption for it to die?
What kind of society condones that?"

Um, so you're saying all these kids who die were adopted!? What are you implying about adoptive parents? What are you implying about every parent who has put up a child for adoption?

Some of these children were in orphanages
Some had nothing
Some were put up on an adoption list

what I am implying, is adoption is so important but the lack of resources means that there isn't enough parents for these children going into adoption.

How would you feel growing up with out parents?
Instead of living in a group home or foster home, which can lead to me mental damage or even physical scars...

those kids were waiting to be adopted, why keep adding to a list if you cant even keep up with a work order?

If it was like a 100 or 200 that would be different but over a million mark, thats pretty high..

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aochriss

replied on October 4th, 2008

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What about the parents that sell their daughters to be sex slaves while they are still children, because the parents cannot afford to feed them? Wouldn't birth control and abortion be better?

What about things like this in America?

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9 siblings among 11 kids abandoned under Neb. law
Sep 25 04:45 PM US/Eastern
By TIMBERLY ROSS
Associated Press Writer
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A statue of St. Joseph holding the infant Jesus, stands outside of Creighton...

Todd Landry, Director of the Division of Children and Family Services with...

The Creighton Medical Center, where nine siblings were abandoned by their...

OMAHA, Neb. (AP) - Nine siblings are among 11 children as old as 17 who were left at Omaha hospitals Wednesday under Nebraska's unique and new safe haven law, which allows caregivers to abandon babies and teenagers alike at hospitals without fear of prosecution.

The law, originally intended to protect infants, was expanded in a legislative compromise to protect any "child." Some have interpreted that to mean anyone under 19.

Gov. Dave Heineman, who signed the law, and some other former supporters are among those now saying changes are needed.

"People are leaving them off just because they can't control them," state Sen. Arnie Stuthman, who introduced the original bill, said Thursday. "They're probably in no real danger, so it's an easy way out for the caretaker."

The nine siblings—five boys and four girls ages 1 to 17—were left by their father, who was not identified, at Creighton University Medical Center's emergency room, according to the Nebraska Department of Health and Human Services. Unrelated boys ages 11 and 15 also were surrendered Wednesday at Immanuel Medical Center.

At least 16 children have been abandoned since the law took effect in July, the state agency said.

Their mother died in childbirth.

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NeutralUsername

replied on October 6th, 2008

Active User, very eHealthy

aochriss wrote:

What about the parents that sell their daughters to be sex slaves while they are still children, because the parents cannot afford to feed them? Wouldn't birth control and abortion be better?

What about things like this in America?

Quote:

9 siblings among 11 kids abandoned under Neb. law
Sep 25 04:45 PM US/Eastern
By TIMBERLY ROSS
Associated Press Writer
Write a Comment

A statue of St. Joseph holding the infant Jesus, stands outside of Creighton...

Todd Landry, Director of the Division of Children and Family Services with...

The Creighton Medical Center, where nine siblings were abandoned by their...

OMAHA, Neb. (AP) - Nine siblings are among 11 children as old as 17 who were left at Omaha hospitals Wednesday under Nebraska's unique and new safe haven law, which allows caregivers to abandon babies and teenagers alike at hospitals without fear of prosecution.

The law, originally intended to protect infants, was expanded in a legislative compromise to protect any "child." Some have interpreted that to mean anyone under 19.

Gov. Dave Heineman, who signed the law, and some other former supporters are among those now saying changes are needed.

"People are leaving them off just because they can't control them," state Sen. Arnie Stuthman, who introduced the original bill, said Thursday. "They're probably in no real danger, so it's an easy way out for the caretaker."

The nine siblings—five boys and four girls ages 1 to 17—were left by their father, who was not identified, at Creighton University Medical Center's emergency room, according to the Nebraska Department of Health and Human Services. Unrelated boys ages 11 and 15 also were surrendered Wednesday at Immanuel Medical Center.

At least 16 children have been abandoned since the law took effect in July, the state agency said.

Their mother died in childbirth.

There is NEVER an excuse to sell your own child to be a sex slave.

There are MANY reasons that someone would abandon their children. Not just that they were always unwanted since a pregnancy! Sometimes one parent is left all alone to raise the children (other parent dies) and they just can't handle it. It doesn't mean the children should have been aborted. How would anyone know what would happen?

Your story has nothing to do with abortion unless you can prove that these children were unwanted when they were still in the womb.

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diamondsz

replied on October 6th, 2008

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NeutralUsername wrote:

There is NEVER an excuse to sell your own child to be a sex slave.

Your story has nothing to do with abortion unless you can prove that these children were unwanted when they were still in the womb.

Have you understood anything?

Prove to me that children are not harmed while someone just gives them up?

Prove to me that children who die are less affected than a z/e/f who is aborted?

How can one know pain, if they have never expierenced it?

which is lesser evil?

Mental pain can far outdo physical pain, although we know that a fetus doesnt start to experience quarterly/partial pain till about mid/end of second trimester.

Physical or mental>

you are telling me its okay to screw kids over for something that doesnt even know, much less can it feel pain.....

thats cold

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NeutralUsername

replied on October 6th, 2008

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diamondsz wrote:

NeutralUsername wrote:

There is NEVER an excuse to sell your own child to be a sex slave.

Your story has nothing to do with abortion unless you can prove that these children were unwanted when they were still in the womb.

Have you understood anything?

Prove to me that children are not harmed while someone just gives them up?

Prove to me that children who die are less affected than a z/e/f who is aborted?

How can one know pain, if they have never expierenced it?

which is lesser evil?

Mental pain can far outdo physical pain, although we know that a fetus doesnt start to experience quarterly/partial pain till about mid/end of second trimester.

Physical or mental>

you are telling me its okay to screw kids over for something that doesnt even know, much less can it feel pain.....

thats cold

Are you even talking about unwanted PREGNANCIES? If not, then NO ONE should ever have kids because they will die.

I don't understand where people get the idea that only UNwanted kids are abused and killed. Children die from many different reasons just like adults. Also, biological parents who have kids abuse them, too. Sometimes someone ELSE in the family abuse them and the parents don't know it.

Not all kids in foster care are from women who had unwanted pregnancies. Sometimes the parents die. Sometimes the parents just don't know how to take care of kids. Sometimes the parents realize they made a mistake AFTER they gave birth. Sometimes the parents did something really stupid and they had to get their kids taken away from them. Sometimes the parents are mentally ill. And yes, some do choose to give their child up instead of killing them in the womb.

"Prove to me that children are not harmed while someone just gives them up?"

Well, an uborn child is ALWAYS harmed when aborted!

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diamondsz

replied on October 6th, 2008

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NeutralUsername wrote:

Well, an uborn child is ALWAYS harmed when aborted!

How is that? Ask yourself how are they harmed...

If I put my hand over top of the stove I feel pain, I would know better not to do it again right? Now if a Z/E/F hasn't expierenced something, much less can they feel pain (not until after 24 weeks) you the cortex attached to your spine to feel physical pain.

So if a z/e/f cant feel emotional(mental) pain nor physical pain(during first trimester abortions, what is the difference between taking someones life who can>?

Here is an excellent real life scenario

Mother dies, child is still alove and becomes and orphan, she has no money or food and lives in a third world country, if she can be adopted or even supported he/she can live. Someone said to me, I wouldnt be able to love what is not mine>?

Adoptions grand, it greats for the newborns and not really for the kids aged over 2(statistics back this up.)

I am here for the kids who already exist and not the potential, unless they are wanted.

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nightangel73

replied on October 6th, 2008

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diamondsz wrote:

NeutralUsername wrote:

Well, an uborn child is ALWAYS harmed when aborted!

How is that? Ask yourself how are they harmed...

If I put my hand over top of the stove I feel pain, I would know better not to do it again right? Now if a Z/E/F hasn't expierenced something, much less can they feel pain (not until after 24 weeks) you the cortex attached to your spine to feel physical pain.

So if a z/e/f cant feel emotional(mental) pain nor physical pain(during first trimester abortions, what is the difference between taking someones life who can>?

Here is an excellent real life scenario

Mother dies, child is still alove and becomes and orphan, she has no money or food and lives in a third world country, if she can be adopted or even supported he/she can live. Someone said to me, I wouldnt be able to love what is not mine>?

Adoptions grand, it greats for the newborns and not really for the kids aged over 2(statistics back this up.)

I am here for the kids who already exist and not the potential, unless they are wanted.

It would be good for you to watch the discovery health channel there is program every morning with real life adoption stories. All kinds of adoption..international, multiple, open adoptions, adoptions of bigger kids all of them. Great stories and most I like to see that there is always people doing good to mankind.

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aochriss

replied on October 6th, 2008

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Still, there are half a million children languishing in the foster care system in the U.S. right now. There's also another half of a million frozen embryos waiting to be adopted in ivf clinics. Where are all of the adoptive parents????

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diamondsz

replied on October 6th, 2008

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nightangel73 wrote:

It would be good for you to watch the discovery health channel there is program every morning with real life adoption stories. All kinds of adoption..international, multiple, open adoptions, adoptions of bigger kids all of them. Great stories and most I like to see that there is always people doing good to mankind.

Do you believe everything you see on tv?

they only show the odd few, the ones who do, kudos to them but what they don't show is what worries me. you have to make big bucks for adoption over seas adoption cost 10000$ to 74000$. Those amounts don't include the processing time, the visits, your stay or government papers on our side.

Some people only see the big picture, it wouldnt be a bigger picture without the smaller pieces in between.

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