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Q: Confused and muddled
asked by: LondonLoves on May 19th, 2009
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I'm a 34 yr old male, who’s lived in the U.K all my life, who was diagnosed with having M.E / Chronic Fatigue Syndrome some 11 years ago now. Prior to this time, I had always been lucky enough to have very good mental and physical health.

I've always been a bit sceptical of this diagnosis, as I'd never actually been that fatigued, but have had many neurological / cognitive complaints over this time, including persistent headaches, short term memory loss, problems with natural thought process / brain fog, etc, etc. I was however happy with the investigations that were carried out at the time of diagnosis 11 years ago, and again about 5 years ago, when I last experienced a severe flare up of symptoms. These investigations between 1998 - 2004, have included 2 MRI scans, a CT scan, and several lots of full blood tests being carried out, all of which have come back next to normal. In 2004, I also had Neuropsychometric testing, the results of which, although weren’t normal, were what could be expected of someone with M.E - i.e. poor concentration, etc.

Between the summer of 2004 and December 2008, although not back to being 100% health wise by any means, I was certainly able to live a relatively normal life, in that I’d been able to attend university part time, have a social life again, and was more than capable of taking care of domestic day to day tasks - cleaning, shopping, managing finances, etc.

Late on in December 2008, I started to experience problems with my concentration faltering a little, as well as finding things a little more difficult to process mentally than of recent times.

As the month of January 2009 progressed, I started to experience diarrhoea most mornings upon awaking. Cognitively, I started to become a little muddled and confused, along with having short term memory problems. Mental tasks, such as writing emails for example, had become notably harder.

I started to have problems selecting correct words & using wrong words more often. Written sentences started to no longer ‘compute’ very well, and the same problem started with verbal communication, as I started to need to ask people to repeat themselves, as I wasn’t able to process what they were saying to me on their first attempt.

I’d now started to feel constantly woozy - like I was drunk.

By the end of the month, I‘d lost over a stone in weight. I’d been around 13 1/4 stone throughout most of 2008, but had now dropped to around 11 1/2 stone.

Into February 2009, the drunk feeling had become worse, and I was now experiencing diarrhoea every morning upon awaking, and after nearly every meal, irrespective of what the meal was.

My legs had begun to feel very ‘jelly’ like and I was feeling a little unsteady on my feet.

Muscles felt like they were trembling a lot of the time - especially in lower back and neck, and my hands were visibly shaky at times - especially when trying to perform intricate tasks, e.g. using a screwdriver.

I’m now feeling confused & muddled from the moment I awake, until I go to bed. Simple tasks have become mentally overwhelming, and perplexing - even just making breakfast, or having a bath.

My sleep has started to become very disjointed - I’ll sleep for an hour or so, then wake every hour, on the hour, getting an average of around 4 hours a night.

Into March 2009, the feeling of being drunk, continues to feel more and more intense. I’ve become quite clumsy, and have noticed I'm holding hands in strange positions in front of me quite often.

By now, my judgement is feeling quite impaired, and I’m feeling increasingly unsteady.

My muscles have now started to twitch all over my body, at times, quite noticeably, and for sustain periods of time.

I’ve started to mistake a conversation I’ve had with one person, for one I’ve had with someone else.

My eyes have started to cloud over at times, impairing vision temporarily, then clearing

By April 2009, my conception of time, and what day it is has become somewhat hazy. I’m finding it extremely difficult - to the point of being impossible a lot of the time - to have
conversations. Increasingly, the moment I've said something, I'm forgetting what it is
that I've said. Have been told I’m repeating myself again & again.

I’ve become increasingly blank in mind when asked something. Have also been told I'm
becoming more blank, and unresponsive in facial expression.

My awareness of what's going on around me, along with awareness of time, date, etc has
diminished significantly. Disorientated frequently now.

The muscle twitching has become pretty much constant , and much more severe -
occurring in several places simultaneously. I’ve also started to experience mild
involuntarily jerking during the daytime.

At the beginning of the month, I’d started to experience strange episodes when asleep,
namely - waking in a semi conscious state, and not being able to swallow properly - this
feels like I'm choking.

Now into the current month of May, and I’m in a constant daze like state, wandering
around my apartment, with no purpose, not knowing half the time, how I’ve come to be
doing, whatever activity it is that I’m doing.

I seem to be making lots of pointless movements. I.e. moving arms as I'm going to do
something, but then just stopping. My movements are also feeling increasingly rigid and
unnatural.
Finding it incredibly difficult to manage bills, and keep track of finances. Was
previously quite adept at doing so.

I’ve now started to need prompting on occasions to do normal activities, such as when
to go to bed of an evening. This said, I’m still able to bathe myself, and prepare very
simple meals for myself i.e. toast, soup, etc, but am having to write down when I’ve eaten
meal, otherwise as crazy as it sounds, I forget a lot of the time that I’ve already eaten.

Understandably, I’m very scared as to what’s going on. However, my G.P, an M.E
consultant I’ve seen twice since the turn of the year, and a neurologist I saw in April 09,
don’t seem to be that concerned about me, attributing a lot of the problems to either
depression or anxiety. I’m worried that because I’ve had a pattern of similar symptoms
over the years, although I must stress, never, ever this severe before, they see this, and
just attribute my current patch of ill health to being more of the same, that will eventually
sort it itself out.

I don’t consider myself to be particularly depressed or anxious presently, as the only
thing that’s preventing me from partaking in normal activities, socialising with friends,
etc, is the symptoms I’m currently experiencing - principally feeling confused and
muddled 24/7. My doctor has put me on 75mg of Venlafaxine since February, with a view
to this alleviating symptoms, but of course, it’s done nothing. I was also briefly referred
to a community psychiatric nurse, who promptly discharged me after 2 appointments,
believing I didn’t have any sort of significant mental health problem, and the very mild
depression and anxiety I did have, was a direct consequence of the symptoms I’m
experiencing.

My most recent lots of bloods I’ve had taken, at the end of April 2009 - thyroid, etc, all
came back normal. I’m currently waiting for another MRI scan, although have been told
in no uncertain terms, if this turns out to be normal, that no further investigations will be
carried out on the National Health Service, and I’m not in a position financially, to pay to
see anyone else privately.

In the meantime, I’m having to rely on my elderly father to do my shopping, pay bills, etc,
whilst it feels like my capacity to function mentally, is slipping away from me as
every week passes.

Any advice, with regard to possible causes of symptoms, my next course of action, etc,
would be greatly appreciated.
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5050
replied on June 9th, 2009
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LondonLoves

I noticed by reading your letter that something is still going right for you to have remembered all that's going on with you. If they still haven't found out whats going on, it may be a good idea to look into some other things, such as unbalanced hormones,over abundance of toxins in your body that need cleaning out,cooking, certain vitamins and minerals you may need, side effects of medications you may be taking,types of allergy problems if you have any,etc. In the meantime, if you can, start eating organic foods and meats. Drink good water and cook in either steel pots and pans or iron skillets,no aluminum. To keep your mind fresh and from being muttled,look for on line brain exercises and learn to breath properly- oxygen and the brain work well together. Hope these suggestions will get your thoughts going in a direction that you may be able to solve the problem yourself and help others that may have a similar problem later on. Keep a catalog on what you eat, drink and reactions to them, along with anything else you feel is important to write down. Good luck and let me know how you're doing. 5050
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LondonLoves
replied on June 19th, 2009
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Everything has come back normal with the MRI scan of the brain, so still none the wiser as to what's going on...?
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wendyrs
replied on June 19th, 2009
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LondonLoves,

Have you been tested for Parkinson's disease? Also, you really did do a good job in remembering your medical history.
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replied on June 19th, 2009
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Hi,
If I were in your position, I would talk to a doctor that was willing to take each one of your problems...one by one, and have them checked out carefully.Are you taking many medications? All medications have side effects. If you are, check out the side effects of each one. Look into some alternative products, such as probiatics, products that will clean your body of toxins, etc. Read up on some of this stuff and try and get hold of a doctor that understands both the alternative world and medical world.They are out there. There is a cause for every effect...and thats what you need to know.There may well be a simple answer to your problems. Some of the things I reccomended above may help you, but to get concrete answers you do need to talk to someone like I had mentioned and see what he/she may know that could help you further. I know what it feels like to have something going on and no one has a complete answer, so I started doing a lot of research on my own and learned more than what the doctor told me and was able to help myself. Anyway, I hope some of these suggestions will help you out. Let me know how your doing and what you found out.Good luck. 5050
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LondonLoves
replied on June 20th, 2009
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Hi Wendyrs & 5050,

Many thanks for your posts,

I'm posting this on behalf of my best friend. Up until March or so, he was able to collate his own medical history, but as he's been unable to since then, I've been trying my up most to keep it current, just to keep a diary of symptoms, etc, to provide to any doctors, should they wish to view one.

Is there a specific test we can request for Parkinson's Disease that you're aware of, or is it a combination of tests that provide a diagnosis?

The only medications he's current on is 75mg of Venlafaxine daily and Lansoprosole for acid reflux.

Being in the U.K, and having to rely on the National Health Service, we're somewhat restricted as to what consultants and tests etc, we can ask for, as we have no private health care. We've seen several different doctors now, and they'll only request a referral, test etc, if they consider it to be necessary, and if it hasn't been performed over the past years already.

As he's had a history of cognitive problems for so long now - albeit nowhere near as extreme as he's currently experiencing - and, as he saw a neurologist a couple of months ago, who didn't believe there was anything neurologically wrong with him, unless we can go to his doctor and present a case for this or that referral to be made, there is little else they're willing to do for him at the moment. This is especially the case as now his MRI came back completely normal.
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wendyrs
replied on June 20th, 2009
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I'm not sure what type of test they do for Parkinson's disease. The reason I mentioned it was because my grandfather had it from the time he was 40 years old and a lot of the symptoms your friend mentioned reminded me of my grandfather. Parkinson's patients shake, and when you mentioned the facial stiffness that is one thing they look for in Parkinson's patients. Has he been losing his balance? Are his limbs stiff, and does he drewl? Many Parkinson's patients drewl. I would advise you to do some research and be as informed as possible when approaching the doctor. Please keep us informed.

Wendy
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replied on June 20th, 2009
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Hi,

Now, I think I know what may be going on. I did some digging and have a gut feeling its not parkinson's disease. Why? Because, even though you have some close symptoms, there are a bunch more that are not related. But,I do want you to look up the side effects of venlafaxine, you may have some interesting answers to what is going on here. Also, the 75mg. they have given you may be excessive. Your other medicine for acid reflux or ulcers don't have as many side effects as your above meds I just mentioned. First off, I too have had anxities problems most of my life and take only natural products for this. You may want to look some up on the net. Second, I too have had acid reflux and digestive problems and look to super shield and alkaline foods to help me. Too much acid in ones body can cause many problems. There has to be a balance of both...80% alkaline and 20% acid. But, if one has a bad problem with acid, then you should get on a program of ONLY alkaline foods for a while and later put in your balance of acidic foods.Even though I feel you may not have parkinsons, do look it up and see what you think.I would feel your doctor would pick this up if you did have it, but you never know.I do hope Wendy and I have provided you with enough Info for you to start researching. I feel you are going to get well and know exactly what to do, just do some research...and you will get answers. Let us know what you found out and if we can help you further. 5050
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wendyrs
replied on June 20th, 2009
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That is very interesting about the Venlafaxine side effects and such. It's amazing what these drugs can do to your body. Good Luck and do keep us informed on what you find out.

Wendy
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replied on June 20th, 2009
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Me again. I found two more things you can research out. For the cognitive problems, there were rats tested that had thid problem and were given vitamin e and c and apparently it helped them.. There is a test called the Levodopa test that test for parkinson's disease. Have you looked up the venlafaxine side effects? Keep us posted. 5050
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LondonLoves
replied on June 20th, 2009
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Thanks for the info 5050 & Wendy.

Sorry, did you mean to post a website link 5050 in your last post?
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replied on June 20th, 2009
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Yes! Just ask them to email you their Info, that a friend gave you their email address. 5050
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LondonLoves
replied on June 27th, 2009
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Addtional blood tests - including tissue transglutaminase, calcium, magnesium, zinc and ESR, all normal. So, still no answers...
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replied on June 27th, 2009
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Did you get the free information I sent a few days ago? They took it off as I forgot they don't want you to advertize. I hope you got it,as I felt the info may have helped you out. Anyway, I'm going to dig a little deeper and see what I can come up with. Have patience with me, as it will take a little while. Most likely I will get it to you either today or tomorrow. Did you ask about the one medication I mentioned to you and the side effects... Venlafaxine? That alone may well have brought up some of your problems. I'll get right on it and see what else we can come up with. Hang in there. 5050
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LondonLoves
replied on June 27th, 2009
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Hi 5050,

The Venlafaxine, although as you mentioned, can have different side effects, the dosage my friend has been on, isn't very high (75mg), and we've been assured, would not be causing, or even contributing to the problems detailed in my original post.

Thanks for your continued support.

Unfortunatly no, i wasn't able to get the infomation form the email address you posted.
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replied on June 27th, 2009
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I have a question for you. Did the doctors feel you were bipolar?
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replied on June 27th, 2009
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I see you haven't had a chance to answer the above question. I've done quit a bit of research, and even though we're not sure what is totaly wrong with you, I have some possible answers for you that make a lot of sense. God created our bodies in a certain way and gave us certain foods to not only keep us healthy, but also help us to cure diseases and other things. If we put wrong things in our bodies, doesn't it make sense that wrong things can happen? I could go further with this, but we're trying to find a way to help you. Okay then. One thing we seem to lack in our systems are trace minerals, due to many being destroyed by way of many factors. We should be getting at least 72 trace minerals and apparently we are not. Without trace minerals problems can arise. One great thing is, that seafood has them. At least 4oz a day of it, along with dark veggies, fruits ,etc, may make a difference in the way you feel in a couple of months. If you have high blood pressure, be super careful with the salt. If you can get organic foods...the better. If not, do the best you can.Anyway, give this a try for at least a month or more and see what happens. The reason I asked about bipolar is because your venlafaxine is an antidepresent and is used for bipolar. You may want to start taking some B-complex also. Research this out for your self and see if I'm making any sense to you. There is a cause for every effect. I hope this helps. Please continue to let me know how you're doing. 5050
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