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February 7th, 2017
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replied February 7th, 2017
Stop it guys. I had enough reading this forum i am here from last two years in this forum new people are coming and going and nothing happened. I am in very worst situation than yours. I can see scared and nice posting messages here instead of spending money in testing can we do good diet and exercise and see if it helps or not. Tell me who are with me i am starting from tomorrow i want to know who are the guys from you have the courage to join me.
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replied February 7th, 2017
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I only tested postive for candida albicans (igg, igm, iga).
Cmv and ebv Negative Igm, but postive old infection (IGG for both marked as high though). Reactivation maybe???

Wanted to test for lyme, but doctor kept saying its not sexually transmitted so no need.

My penis glands are now are full of rash, it really looks bad. Gonna visit a dermolgist tommorow and see what he gonna say next hopfully he will not say Stress lol
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replied February 7th, 2017
The test results indicate that I may have hiv because its apparent from the numbers because after exposure by:
3months cd4 850 cd8 900 ratio 0.95
6 months cd4 952 cd8 692 ratio 1.38 (rebound phase)
8 months cd4 979 cd8 904 ratio 1.08 rebound
11 months cd4 1004 cd8 1060 ratio 0.95 rebound
1 year 1 mon cd4 877 cd8 763 ratio 1.15 relapse
1 year 4 mon cd4 772 cd8 850 ratio 0.9 relapse
So the numbers incate hiv cycle but the tests at 1 year 4 months are negative and 2 pcrs done negative so what to do
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replied February 10th, 2017
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my friend, based on your multiple CD4/CD8 ratio numbers,
i would recommend to check your HLA genes,
2 types exists :

1- fast/rapid progression (B35,A23 AND A24 )
2- Slow Long time non-progression "Elite" (like B27 and B57)

try to google it and go in depth but at the same time, the absence of p24 through RNA test,gives more credits to new strains rather than problem with immune system or HLA genes

again, i'm sharing the above just to consider it as small probability while i still believe that we should trust our negative antibody results and work harder to find out the reasons of our symptoms and numbers..
auto-immunity plays big role in this !
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replied February 7th, 2017
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Hi everybody
T123 you really cannot imagine how many tests i have done so far including 2 pcr s. I also checked my cd4 counts 3 or more times and every time the doctors told it ws ok. There is no help if i write the numbers here I guess. Anyway nobody here is making their illnesses up . You have no idea what i have been going through coz i have all the symptoms from the very beginning and still going on. By the way ,Scared did you test for your wife as well?
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replied February 10th, 2017
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will you share your numbers pls ?
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replied February 8th, 2017
What's going on everyone it's been a while . I have a suggestion why won't some people in here take the Stephen Buhner protocol which is a coupe of herbs which is supposed to beat Lyme disease and other co infections u can get more info if u just google Stephen buhner protocol most u guys are not doing anything and just taking more tests with no answers and not doing anything to make ur immune system stronger. The herbal mixture will take about 5 months to see some results but if it helps then can incur on it till u see all symptoms gone worth a shot better then not taking anything
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replied February 9th, 2017
If you are seriously delbiated because of hiv concerns and antibody and pcr are negative, test your cd4,cd8 and ratio every 2-3 months. The cd4 will typically decline in the begining of infection, rise for a while and then have a continous decline if you have hiv infection.
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replied February 10th, 2017
@p4sure can your symptoms be candida related?
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replied February 10th, 2017
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Well some current symptoms could be from Candida (Thrush, folliciuts, loose stools maybe but im having loose stools/diarhea every single day for about 10 month i dont think candida causes this!!!) But definetly not the initial flu like symptoms i had, its 100% a virus. But the real question is, what caused candida to appear from the beginning??? Candida appears only in immunocopromised people, antibiotics usage, smokers. And i never used antibitiotics or smoked so i have only immuncompromised reason remmaining..

Just an update on my penis head rash, i was diognosed as expected with Fungal infection (Male yeast infection). Now under the Candida treatment.

You guys need get tested with cmv, ebv and candida (specially those with caoted tounge).
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replied February 10th, 2017
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Well some current symptoms could be from Candida (Thrush, folliciuts, loose stools maybe but im having loose stools/diarhea every single day for about 10 month i dont think candida causes this!!!) But definetly not the initial flu like symptoms i had, its 100% a virus. But the real question is, what caused candida to appear from the beginning??? Candida appears only in immunocopromised people, antibiotics usage, smokers. And i never used antibitiotics or smoked so i have only immuncompromised reason remmaining..

Just an update on my penis head rash, i was diognosed as expected with Fungal infection (Male yeast infection). Now under the Candida treatment.

You guys need get tested with cmv, ebv and candida (specially those with caoted tounge).
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replied February 10th, 2017
@wrcfocus, if it was a new strain, wouldn't it make p24 or rna positive on tests? Or western blot? How will we test for new strain? And could you please give some detail on HLA testing?

@p4sure, what medication do you use for candida?
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replied February 11th, 2017
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New or rare strain(s), means that "no or limited" testing brands could identify it, simply because this strain is not much spread all over the world.
But what we do hope for is that the leading HIV TEST manufacturers keep updating their product to minimize the false negative results..
i believe that when we talk about HIV Virus and HIV testing,
its similar to the concept and process of computer viruses and your installed antivirus software on your PC..
once new virus popup, the antivirus company updates their software, and that what should HIV Test Manufactures do.

Thats why everybody recommend testing multiple times using different providers/brands as possible ( that's for antibody test )
while for RNA, when you get your result, you will notice that at the end of the paper they will mention that " your test is negative or nonreactive " in catching P24 for Group O & M, and so their subgroup.. which means that the used technique search and identify only the listed Groups/strains and here is the dilemma..

Regarding HLA, the only worry is for those who are HLA-B27 POSITIVE,
many sites mentioned that some of those who are positive for B27 and are really HIV infected, might take longer for their Immune system to produce antibodies..
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replied February 10th, 2017
Wing I'm going through the same thing I have slot of symptoms that are related to hiv. In addition my cd4 and cd8 are all wacky they relate to yours. On top of that me , my wife and 4 kids have the same symptoms. I've tested maybe no lie over 100 hiv test every test available even the Abbott which cost me 600 dollars all negative . I realized that I was positive for chronic Lyme, ebv reactivated. I'm Geri g my wife tested for Lyme and kids to see if that is related. In addition another test is good to test for is chlamediyah pnuemia can cause a lot if these symptoms I have to take that test too. As well mycoplasma pnuemia and all other mycoplasma tests. It came to the point where I got me and my family on an hiv herbal protocol it's still to early to judge on it but hopefully it will do the trick. But then again hopefully my family come out positive for Lyme so I can find the diagnosis. Lyme is not an accurate test a good thing to test for us cd57 if ur numbers is low that due to Lyme and mine came out real low like around 55 so u got to keep moving forward and can't get stuck trust me I know Ive been with this crap for more then 3 years
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replied February 11th, 2017
Gotserved 2013 thank you for your replay. Im really gratefull that there is people like you who are supporting others and I hope that you and your family get well soon.
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replied February 11th, 2017
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@marana They gave me a cream to apply on penis head (morning and night) along with anti-fungal pills called Candivas 150mg (once each week for 4 weeks).

It seems like a very low dosage to take 1 pill each week, but i will follow the Dr perscription.

Dr is STD expert in my country and he says forget about HIV after testing at 10 months which i really cannot convince myself to stop because of my initial and continious symptoms. Im 100% confident its HIV, Well i hope its not.
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replied February 12th, 2017
Anyone tested using abott real time pcr. I heard it covers groups m,n and o. I decided to give it a go but on march.
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replied February 12th, 2017
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I thought of doing the Abbott PCR, but then i though i have already killed it with testing on Abbott architect Ag/Ab (Covers the same types of PCR i guessed) with more than 15 tests since the beggining. So i said no need to waste money on PCR for Hiv-1.

Im testing again at 12 Months. If it came negative i will be travelling specifically do Hiv-2 Proviral DNA. Im personally in a mode of believing im 100% HIV Postive and preparing myself for that moment (Hopefully im wrong).

Also i just read something recent and scary about HIV, if you guys want me to share it let me know, But i tell you all its gonna throw all of you in panic mode as it did it to me.
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replied February 13th, 2017
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Repeating multiple PCR RNA test that covers the same HIV strain & group in a short period, is a waste of money..
if i were in your shoes, i will immediately proceed with the HIV2 DNA test, and after 6 month i will repeat the HIV 1 test ( both PCR & Antibody ) as a final attempt

yes go ahead please, maybe will shed some light instead of activating our panic mode, since its already switched on...
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replied February 13th, 2017
I tested with Abbott real time cost me almost $600 u can order it with request a test call them up it's not displayed on web site u have to special order it which is bo big deal it came out negative tests numeric for every strain viral load. So it did me no good.
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replied February 13th, 2017
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but did bring relief..
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replied February 13th, 2017
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It seems like we cant post links, heres the article from a newspaper (times of india):

ELISA fails to detect HIV in 2 city women for 2 yrs:

Mumbai: Amid concerns of HIV transmission through infected blood, a premier research institute in the city has revealed that they came across two rare cases where the most commonly used HIV test, ELISA, could not detect the virus for up to two years. The finding assumes significance as most blood banks, hospitals and transfusion centres use ELISA as a gold standard to detect HIV.
The virus in the two city women could finally be detected using the PCR test that is occasionally used to test HIV. The Parel-based National Institute for Research in Reproductive Health (NIRRH) had come across the cases in 2012, when the women were referred from JJ Hospital with a history of co-infection.

The revelation comes within days of the National Aids Control Organisation (NACO) stating that 2,234 people have contracted HIV across the country through transfusion of infected blood in the last one-and-a-half years. In Maharashtra, 276 people have got HIV through infected blood.
"The point here is not to say that ELISA is unreliable but that there is a possibility of missing out infected cases. In both cases, the antibodies did not appear for two years," said Dr Atmaram Bandivadekar, consultant at NIRRH. HIV antibodies are generated by the body's immune system when under attack from the virus. Tests like ELISA check for the presence of antibodies to say if a person is infected or not.
"Different individuals can take varying time to generate antibodies, but two years is too long," he said. Bandivadekar said that PCR could be a more accurate alternative. "This test finds either the RNA of the HIV virus or the HIV DNA in cells infected with the virus. The test can be done within days of exposure as one does not have to worry about the window period," he added. In an ELISA test, there is a window period of one to three months depending on whether the technology is from the first or fourth generation.
The husbands of both these women were HIV positive and were taking the antiretroviral therapy at JJ Hospital. Doctors at the hospital became curious when the women frequently came with some ailment despite repeatedly testing negative for HIV. They stopped following up with the institute after two years.
But staunch ELISA supporters are not willing to write off the test yet. "It has been proved beyond doubt that this test has a low chance of giving a false result after the first few weeks that a person is infected. The world over, it is the first line of screening. If ELISA is negative, other tests are not usually repeated," said a microbiologist. Though if ELISA comes positive, the test is repeated to confirm the findings. "PCR may be reliable but it is expensive and needs expertise," the doctor added.
Bandivadekar felt all blood banks should have the PCR technology. Dr Shrikala Acharya, additional project director of the Mumbai District Aids Control Society (MDACS), said there are cost and operational issues that have to be considered. An ELISA test in a private lab costs up to Rs 650, whereas a PCR test may cost over Rs 2,500.
THE ELISA TEST
Enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay test detects antibodies to HIV in the blood and semen. Antibodies are generated by the body's immune system when it comes under attack from virus or bacteria. Costs around Rs 650 in a private lab
THE PCR TEST
Polymerase chain reaction test finds if the RNA of the HIV virus or the HIV DNA in white blood cells are infected with the virus. It may cost over Rs 2,500 and requires skill
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replied February 14th, 2017
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Dear P4sure,

that's why i mentioned in my earlier post, that i strongly recommend, brand & technique diversity when considering testing for HIV,

Also, they didn't specify which generation of Elisa they used while testing those woman..

No manufacturer claim that their products is 100 % sensitive and specific,

And since her husband is HIV+ and i believe he was diagnosed using the same ELISA generation test that missed detecting his wife antibodies..

so in my opinion, the delayed or the false negative for up to two years for his wife,is strongly related to some deficiency in her immune system or drug related issues.. rather than ELISA false negative,

please note that false negative exist but in this case the reason could be due to immune system malfunctionality ..

Most of guys here, tested for both P24 (PCR RNA) and antibodies and their results still negative despite all the symptoms!.. and many of them are far beyond the window period,
for example, my case, i'm now 15 months post my exposure and i did 3 PCR RNA (first :20 days mark,second at 2 months and third and 7 months ),more than 5 rapid tests, 6 4th generation tests and still having all "per book" HIV symptoms..

i still need to test for DNA HIV 1&2..

AGAIN Guys don't be HIV oriented while checking your health, many other STDs exist, so keep your mind and spirit wide open until you rule out 100% all other STI,

Guess what, most of websites when talking about herpes simplex 1&2 window period, the conservative between them says that HSV1&2 WP is 6 months
well, i tested at 2,3,5,6 months mark and all negative, but i wasn't convinced, so i took another test at 7.5 months and it came back positive for HSV1! can you imagine that ?

Even things get worse, my wife also had 70% of my symptoms additional to yellow/green vaginal discharge, jaundice, and many episodes of flu, musculoskeletal pain knowing that i've always been been on protected mode with my wife followed by long refrain period after that stupid exposure!.
we are married since 3 years and we planned to conceive last year, but i'm really confused, cs i don't want to infect her or our future baby..Sad

Anyhow.. what i really want you to know is that no one knows whats going on with & in your body like you do!, so be your own doctor and use all available scientific resources and facts and why not tests, till we found answers..

Whenever you test positive for any STI, please take into consideration, that your immune might go wild and switch to defense first then offense mode creating what we call auto-immunity disease which could be the reason of our chronic pain.
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